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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
75. Obama only came in from the
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:52 PM
Aug 2013

anti-gay marriage cold when he was up for re-election, not before. His support for abortion rights, the environment, renewable energy etc, are luke warm and to the right of moderate liberals like Jimmy Carter, who recently said that the surveillance state (which Obama is defending) had gone too far.

As far as whistle-blowers, Obama runs the EXECUTIVE branch charged with upholding the law and prosecuting crime. His "Justice" Department has been heavy on raiding marijuana clinics, prosecuting whistle-blowers while shielding Wall Street and Bush-era criminals, laws and policies.

Closing Guantanamo is a matter of an executive order, not Congress. All he has to do is order the prisoners released, or brought to the U.S. for trial. What will Congress do? Form its own military?

Congress is certainly to blame for a lot that is wrong in this country but Obama has much to answer for. A intellectually honest argument can be made defending his actions, but any argument characterizing Obama as a "liberal" is as specious as the arguments calling him a "Nazi", "Socialist", "Communist" or "foreign born". This country hasn't had a moderately liberal president since Carter, or a genuinely liberal president since LBJ (except for Vietnam).

This should go over well... Scurrilous Aug 2013 #1
LIke one of those Cha Aug 2013 #20
"Like a lead zeppelin" riqster Aug 2013 #187
So that's the most important thing about Snowden's revelations? djean111 Aug 2013 #2
Overall Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #14
Larry Crow73 Aug 2013 #106
Ray tblue Aug 2013 #132
82% ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #237
Who said anything about Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #18
Pretty snotty reply, but you may want to pay attention yourself - the OP says djean111 Aug 2013 #25
Of course they did. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #29
Please tell us how you do this tblue Aug 2013 #133
shazam! dionysus Aug 2013 #163
Well said. Thank you! (nt) MustBeTheBooz Aug 2013 #171
thankfully not everything is about freaking snowden. Cha Aug 2013 #101
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #108
Do your own reseach.. like everyone else. I'm not here to spoon feed those who make Cha Aug 2013 #112
Sounds like you consider that a pretty trivial issue. Whereas I say anything that affects ~10% nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #158
approval rating kardonb Aug 2013 #107
Obviously, Gallup never contacted me... derby378 Aug 2013 #3
and we liberals love obama arely staircase Aug 2013 #49
This says more about 'liberal dems' than Obama leftstreet Aug 2013 #4
Maybe it's the 'mainstream' that's out of touch. shenmue Aug 2013 #7
So it went up some before the election ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #8
Liberal dems are out of touch with mainstream Progressive dog Aug 2013 #13
Could it mean that we're not reactionary like teanutters? I think Lib Dems are just smarter than... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #23
or we are too enamored with the president Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #190
Or we really are "Democrats", which is a totally different animal from today's "Internet Liberals". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #195
Because the "mainstream" includes lots of Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents. pnwmom Aug 2013 #35
According to the poll, Independents give him 30% leftstreet Aug 2013 #60
Bode well for what? He's not running for re-election. OnionPatch Aug 2013 #201
His party n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #202
Then the rest of his party need to define themselves. OnionPatch Aug 2013 #214
It's not campaign season yet leftstreet Aug 2013 #217
you aren't one? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #50
Apparently not. The poll has 11 (!) political affiliations leftstreet Aug 2013 #63
standard polling categories arely staircase Aug 2013 #71
How many "liberal dems" are actually "liberal"? RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #138
Maybe they self-identified with classical liberalism leftstreet Aug 2013 #140
It's a valid question IMO, and a discussion I've had with friends before. RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #141
Yay! shenmue Aug 2013 #5
Sure, but they have not been vetted by the People's Front of DUeya. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #6
You sure it isn't the DUeya's People's Front? msanthrope Aug 2013 #10
YUP, or is could be the Purist People's Front. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #11
You say that Obama's approval should be higher because this is Gallup David Krout Aug 2013 #9
I would love their definition of Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #12
Or perhaps Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #15
hmmm Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #26
Save your bandwidth. Maedhros Aug 2013 #33
Explain why Republicans Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #51
It is what shills do. zeemike Aug 2013 #54
I thought we all agreed skin color had a lot to do with it derby378 Aug 2013 #67
Their is absolutely no disputing Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #94
Republicans today are hostile toward anyone Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #80
Because Republicans and Democrats are fighting each other for political power Maedhros Aug 2013 #83
That's an easy one. They were told to. But they have been very quiet about rhett o rick Aug 2013 #216
Sadly, you are right. Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #76
+1 YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #175
I doubt Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #40
Obama only came in from the Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #75
bahahhaha!! just like a CON. Don't listen to evidence! does not compute! Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #47
Really? Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #55
I"m not calling you a conservative. You are exhibiting a trait many conservatives have Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #59
Seriously? You are calling a GALLUP poll "factual" Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #86
It it fits their Meme its OK. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #125
nothing like "guilt by association" to cut off argument Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #199
Warren in 2016... Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #228
What about The Washington Post? If they showed the same numbers, would you believe them? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #207
I find it hard to believe what many U.S. media outlets write Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #227
Well, not much I can do about your "beliefs". I realize many "liberals" find that only Russia Today Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #235
Actually, I find nothing Russia Today reports on reliable Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #247
Factually? Not so much. TiberiusB Aug 2013 #196
most "liberals" who are not democrats are either Green Party or Libertarians Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #198
Most Libertarians identify as "Conservative" Maedhros Aug 2013 #203
The real money is in tracking issues vs ideaologies TiberiusB Aug 2013 #234
I saw Michael Moore speak about 15 years ago. Maedhros Aug 2013 #236
No no...that is the new liberal. zeemike Aug 2013 #53
He's done nothing meaningful to stem climate change, but the opposite TransitJohn Aug 2013 #82
can't stand him can you? arely staircase Aug 2013 #85
their bitter tears are nectar to my soul.... dionysus Aug 2013 #164
+1 Not Sure Aug 2013 #90
That's fucking frightening. If President Obama represents something left of center, liberalism is Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #84
Yay. Today's "liberals" overwhelmingly support a president Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #150
Reagan was MODERATE? Maedhros Aug 2013 #204
I should have put the word moderate in quotations Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #206
The pollster allows people to define themselves. So a liberal Democrat pnwmom Aug 2013 #57
That is certainly the problem with the poll Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #91
for many here, liberal = not republican frylock Aug 2013 #99
Yeah, Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #105
Liberal = my team. Maedhros Aug 2013 #205
Or even, liberal = not libertarian HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #243
The typical conservative today doesn't believe in Social Security, pnwmom Aug 2013 #131
Some words must have a fixed meaning or they cease to have any meaning Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #146
You are misstating his positions. pnwmom Aug 2013 #148
Compromising with Republicans to cut SS or Medicare should NEVER be considered by ANY Democrat. Dawgs Aug 2013 #185
When has he cut SS or Medicare? pnwmom Aug 2013 #221
First, I never said HE did anything. You're putting words in my mouth. Dawgs Aug 2013 #244
No, you were being deliberately misleading. In direct response to my saying you were pnwmom Aug 2013 #248
Not surprised that you're still wrong. My intent and comment stand as they were presented. Dawgs Aug 2013 #249
Where in the Constitution does it say the President Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #189
You can't get bills passed unless you get them through Congress pnwmom Aug 2013 #220
There are a number of issues Obama could act on that DO NOT Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #230
You do realize that … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #238
To govern Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #245
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #251
i'm an astronaut.. frylock Aug 2013 #98
When did you get your NASA training? pnwmom Aug 2013 #152
probably around the same time you took your liberal training frylock Aug 2013 #160
And that is the difference. There is no education or qualification process to become pnwmom Aug 2013 #161
can one be considered liberal while unconditionally supporting conservative policy? frylock Aug 2013 #168
One can be considered a liberal without meeting a DU 100% purity test. pnwmom Aug 2013 #178
that's not what was asked.. frylock Aug 2013 #183
One can definitely be a liberal and believe that your questions don't all have black and white pnwmom Aug 2013 #219
what is required to be a liberal? frylock Aug 2013 #222
Back in the old days, it was possible to be a Liberal Republican, pnwmom Aug 2013 #223
you can couch it any kind of feel good language you like.. frylock Aug 2013 #224
What you call "cracking down on whistle-blowers" I call filing charges against people pnwmom Aug 2013 #225
of course you do.. frylock Aug 2013 #233
Yeah, I figured it was high.. but, this Cha Aug 2013 #16
i wonder what the libertarian numbers are JI7 Aug 2013 #17
Fuck Rand Paul. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #61
Good question.. Cha Aug 2013 #109
This Liberal Democrat Still Supports Him Skraxx Aug 2013 #19
+1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #58
This Liberal supports him too. Auntie Bush Aug 2013 #128
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #21
Unfortunately only "Great news" to some. great white snark Aug 2013 #22
Just shows how far right wing we've been pushed. Bradical79 Aug 2013 #182
Sounds like an early 60s garage band name... MineralMan Aug 2013 #211
^^K&R^^ Progressive dog Aug 2013 #24
k&r - Great news BenzoDia Aug 2013 #27
LoZoccolo, is that you? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #28
!! leftstreet Aug 2013 #56
LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #62
They only polled people who post in the BOG. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #30
the 18 percent who disapprove all post in GD arely staircase Aug 2013 #77
Ain't that the truth. This thread is kind of hilarious. Hekate Aug 2013 #126
"But you SELF DESCRIBE as a liberal!1 It don't mean nothing unless (xx person) says that you're one! Number23 Aug 2013 #144
Hilarious, no? Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #197
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #31
K & R Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #66
So why all the demonization of "The Left"? /nt Marr Aug 2013 #32
Just the Usual Suspects...the same ones year after year. Rex Aug 2013 #36
but they're liberals, because they say that they're liberals frylock Aug 2013 #100
I don't see them ever say they are liberals. Rex Aug 2013 #181
Because liberal =/= Left YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #173
Ya, that is why I don't listen to the liars on this site Rex Aug 2013 #34
one could almost conclude the "left" on this site are either maladjusted individuals with serious Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #39
No you would assume that which proves my point. Rex Aug 2013 #41
Cheese and rice! Fighting for strong labor, bolstered social safety net, and environmental reforms Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #87
I want those things too. but beating the shit out of Obama day in and day out Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #88
So-called "centrist" Democrats don't want those things. Marr Aug 2013 #92
I never said Trans Pacific Partnership was anything near acceptable. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #95
Is Obama The President? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #162
Because Obama is RIGHT there with you on many issues and begging you Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #165
I never stated any concerns about Obama as insults HangOnKids Aug 2013 #167
It was a general comment about the tone here Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #169
When making a general comment HangOnKids Aug 2013 #170
He is a broken record that I will completely ignore now. Rex Aug 2013 #180
Thanks for the psychoanalysis... YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #174
Sitting in an echo chamber of Occupy trolls can be misleading, Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2013 #37
Indeed. Coyotl Aug 2013 #143
Yes, but pnwmom Aug 2013 #38
LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #44
lolol. yup. are you a "REAL" American? a "REAL" Democrat? Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #45
yeah but his approval is 0% arely staircase Aug 2013 #52
LOL! nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #64
... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #122
It's almost Friday night! Number23 Aug 2013 #155
A big thumbs up! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #213
I support him absolutely mwrguy Aug 2013 #42
let the butthurt begin nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #43
I see it has already caused some hurt feelings... Rex Aug 2013 #70
Kool, although its gallup Iliyah Aug 2013 #46
This is the reality. Whisp Aug 2013 #48
This Gallop? "Polling Firm Gallup Lands In Legal Hot Water" pffft L0oniX Aug 2013 #65
yeah, it is gallup arely staircase Aug 2013 #73
The Democratic Tea Party,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #68
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2013 #69
Trains are different than cars. mick063 Aug 2013 #72
Color me skeptical... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #74
I defend him while talking to conservative. I point out his flaws to liberals of whom I pray see Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #89
Myself as well. Maedhros Aug 2013 #208
This was a weekly argument in GD some years ago Fumesucker Aug 2013 #129
"DU is a relatively balanced cross section of Democrats ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #130
+1000. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #135
You could be correct... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #137
The typical (and predictable) response Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #157
KILLED it! "DU has become as representative of Democrats as Number23 Aug 2013 #145
How do you know? n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #193
The Old Guard barking the same old message. Rex Aug 2013 #200
And you tend to agree with them. Until you don't. Again, depending on what the rest of the thread Number23 Aug 2013 #232
BARK BARK! Rex Aug 2013 #240
Barked the even littler one... Number23 Aug 2013 #242
How do I know what? Is your question supposed to mean something? Number23 Aug 2013 #231
So many accusations and assumptions, yet you offer ZERO proof of any of it. Dawgs Aug 2013 #191
Agreed RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #139
Good to hear. The recent postings on this site was starting to making me wonder. DCBob Aug 2013 #78
Not really "recent" postings. MineralMan Aug 2013 #212
Thanks for the post, President Obama is doing a fine job, I understand not all things are possible Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #79
Gallup is a push-poll that reflects a GOP agenda and perceptions leveymg Aug 2013 #81
No approval number, even 99%, will make the police/surveillance state, laudable. 20score Aug 2013 #93
^^ Thread win. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #97
and somehow, I will go to sleep tonight with peace Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #115
No, you won't. 20score Aug 2013 #119
Very well said! YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #176
this bodes well for his reelection! frylock Aug 2013 #96
froody! TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #102
I missed Crow73 Aug 2013 #103
This does not suprise me ... etherealtruth Aug 2013 #104
That's the difference between "libruls" and progressives... Peregrine Took Aug 2013 #110
A reminder that CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #111
I agree Andy823 Aug 2013 #118
The startling number of dead children stacking up as a result of the President's Maedhros Aug 2013 #209
Great news.....=) AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #113
kickety kick Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #114
all those naysayers that said Obama would be voted out Enrique Aug 2013 #116
Also according to Gallup..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #117
If polled people like it tblue Aug 2013 #134
On the other hand, there are people that call themselves "liberal Dems" that are, ummm... Bonobo Aug 2013 #120
So your point is that OK, the 4th Amendment is dead, just live with it AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #121
Or Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #186
To clarify: LWolf Aug 2013 #123
Proud to be part of the 20% of liberals who think he's been full of meh... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #124
Actually almost a third of liberals don't approve. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #149
Wait say what? 82% Historic NY Aug 2013 #127
frankly, I don't doubt the figure - but I think this is a big part of the reason why advancing a Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #136
From the film "The American President" Maedhros Aug 2013 #210
K&R Number23 Aug 2013 #142
Which is the lowest it's been all year. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #147
KnR Hekate Aug 2013 #151
Is 68% considered to be over 80%??? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #153
liberal democrats: 82% Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #166
So what? RedFury Aug 2013 #226
Many are tasting the sour grapes, here. They can't believe what they're seeing...80%? demosincebirth Aug 2013 #154
It is funny watching them flip flop all over themselves Rex Aug 2013 #241
80% of Dems; 68% of liberals; 82% of liberal Dems. Damn fine numbers from his BASE Number23 Aug 2013 #156
The Only REAL Liberals Are Right Here on DU. I Know This For A Fact, Becuase I Read it, on DU Skraxx Aug 2013 #159
So some so terribly, DESPERATELY would like to believe. Number23 Aug 2013 #229
Define "liberal" YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #172
Condoning extrajudicial killing, indefinite detention of innocents, and spying on innocent citizens GoneFishin Aug 2013 #177
Most people are clueless regardless of what they call themselves. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #179
^^THIS^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #184
Hmmmmmm....I wonder how BrainDrain Aug 2013 #188
What about liberals that are NO LONGER Democrats? Dawgs Aug 2013 #192
probably true think_critically Aug 2013 #194
Cali_Democrat to DUers: suck it up and accept the Third Way if you are critical of Obama AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #215
Not bad for a domestic terrorist! zappaman Aug 2013 #218
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #239
overally i support him around 80% too La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #246
Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #250
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