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In reply to the discussion: Some people think that Chris Christie is much too out of shape to effectively hold office... [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)But come up with decent counterpoints and don't make untrue suggestions about what people actually say.
Stop telling people how they are "supposed" to feel or act, first off.
And where did I say "It's his fault?" I did say he is obese because he eats too much and does not exercise (what--that's fiction? Not true? The "Plump Flesh Elf" puts the weight on him against his will while he sleeps? He said as much to Imus and Piers Morgan and others). Some things ARE "cause and effect." I also indicated that he is the agent of his own solution to his problem--he can exercise, he can get a trainer, he can get medical/psychiatric help, he can push away from the table--but I never said "He deliberately visited this condition upon himself." So don't put words in my mouth--it's uncool.
Here's the bottom line--you control YOUR behavior. You do not control the behavior of others. You can argue with them, you can cajole them, you can try to convince them--but you cannot simply "declare" that their views are bad and yours are good because YOU SAY SO. You can reject all of my reasons if you'd like--I don't mind. But do stop trying to tell me what I "should" say or think about that shithead of a governor.
Here's what I think about Chris Christie. I don't CARE about him or his weight problems. I think he's an asshole. I think he's a wicked, uncaring, greedy cretin, a bad governor, a mean guy who is a bully, who doesn't care about the least among us or public/social services. I don't have sympathy for him. NONE. I am not "glad he's trying" so don't try to suggest that I should be--I wish he'd resign and disappear. I really don't care if he gains another two hundred pounds. And you can't MAKE me feel sorry for him or his inability to get a handle on his "medical condition" with attempts to shame me for not feeling like you do about this topic. This is "your issue." If you wanted to convince me to feel as you do about it, you really shouldn't be trying guilt and shame tactics--they don't work, they just make YOU look "sanctimonious."
And speaking of that, my first post wasn't "sanctimonious" and didn't express any "concern" about Christie's health--it was solely an exercise in pointing out, with pictures, the friken obvious, that the guy is massive, unhealthy, and probably even less fit that Taft-- which, here on DU, in some corners, can be a crime to even mention, apparently.
Whether or not I have "battled an addiction" is irrelevant. If I said yes, you'd probably cry bullshit, if I said no, you'd say "Well then you couldn't POSSIBLY understand." It's a no-winner. I don't do "Justification via anecdote." Besides, this thread is not about me and my personal experiences. If you want to play the "share" game, that's your choice, you go right ahead, but that doesn't mean others must be roped in as well. This thread is about Chris Christie, his poor health due to substantial overweight making him a bad candidate for public office, with a side order of snark. You're the one making repeated demands (feel bad, empathize, I don't like your reasons, you aren't allowed to respond with more than one justification, this belongs in the lounge, on and on with one thing after another) from me. You're unlikely to get satisfaction, because I don't give a crap about this guy and I don't think your counterarguments are valid.
You control how you feel about things. You don't--and you cannot-- control how others feel. Trying to "guilt" people into shutting up doesn't work with most. It does not work with me, I can tell you that.
Like I said, you have options if you don't like to read or see this stuff. Telling people to shut up or not hold the opinions that they hold, though, are not very good ones.