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Rowdyboy

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87. We have a very limited bench other than Secretary Clinton. Biden is IMHO too old...

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:39 AM

Aug 2013

Senator Warren has exhibited absolutely no interest in running and, considering the recent history of nominees from Massachusetts, that's probably for the best. Ditto for Patrick Deval. O'Malley is a good guy but would be very hard pressed to find enough money to fight back against the Republican juggernaut. Cuomo, meh possible but its hard to accept some of his positions. Gillibrand, Malloy, Whitehouse don't have the name recognition nor do Udall or Merkeley. Warner, Bayh and Nixon are too conservative for most Democratic primary voters, Jerry Brown will be 78 on election day 2016 and Pat Leahy 76-both pushing it very hard.

I simply don't see much to work with other than Secretary Clinton. She's eminently qualified, mature but not geriatric, can raise whatever is needed and can bring several southern states to play beyond the Obama playbook. Should she choose to run, she'll probably run the table and DU will be a MUCH quieter place.

FWIW, I very much hope she does so perhaps my judgment is clouded.

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If not Hillary, then who? [View all] OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 OP

If we want to win the WH we would choose Hillary, if we want to stand up for our JaneyVee Aug 2013 #1

Same old argument we always get, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Fell for it for way sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

So if I understand correctly... OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #23

Yes, is it against some law or something? You sound like you're questioning a suspect in a crime. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52

Wow! HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #95

It does answer my question. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #105

Wait, continuing in the vein of your 'questions'. Let me ask you this question, because I too want sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #127

I didn't read OmahaBlueDog's post as something positive about the Tea Party. maui902 Aug 2013 #131

I will support a Progressive Democrat for any and all elected offices. I think my position is clear. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #133

You are arguing against a point I am not making maui902 Aug 2013 #136

It's hard to find a perfect candidate. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #139

The middle is not what it used to be. The middle is now the neocon, Wall St Third Way. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #146

I will respond one more time maui902 Aug 2013 #147

I am a political scientist by training (not by profession) OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #134

I keep envisioning the bodies of American families killed by President Rand Paul. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #24

I keep envisioning children suffering due to a defunded education system and parents liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #30

Hillary caters to the rich? Her voting record seems to say otherwise JaneyVee Aug 2013 #34

Totally agree. Phlem Aug 2013 #38

as we've witnessed Phlem Aug 2013 #45

You're free to entertain yourself with macabre fantasies. I was speaking of a real tragedy which has sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #41

+1 Phlem Aug 2013 #49

Look, she's def not my number one choice, but if she's the nominee I will vote JaneyVee Aug 2013 #53

You mean like all the ones killed by President McCain? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #79

But unable to envision the bodies of those killed by this President... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #99

+1. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #138

Let me put it this way, Obama wasn't in the Senate for the IWR vote. Beacool Aug 2013 #155

Hillary can't win, but our side can win with this woman running on this message ... Scuba Aug 2013 #108

Hillary can't win, but Warren can? Beacool Aug 2013 #151

Hillary can't attract anyone from the 40% of potential voters who typically stay home. Scuba Aug 2013 #153

I don't know where you get that figure. Beacool Aug 2013 #156

What figure? The 40% who don't vote? Scuba Aug 2013 #158

I misunderstood. Beacool Aug 2013 #160

Right! And that's where the available votes are! Scuba Aug 2013 #162

The time-stamp on your post says November 2007 Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #118

Yes, but there's another problem. Pab Sungenis Aug 2013 #128

It's Hillary. She will serve 8 years. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #2

she just might, but she will have to do it without my vote. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #4

I'm sure she'll miss it. But the trashcan won't. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #6

. Agschmid Aug 2013 #12

Even if she's the nominee??? JaneyVee Aug 2013 #16

Same here. mick063 Aug 2013 #29

OK, but suppose it's not. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #25

I know she's running. I know she will win. Why pretend this isn't so? MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #55

Two reasons OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #66

. Little Star Aug 2013 #117

80-20 Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #119

It's a good question. Agschmid Aug 2013 #3

I think that will be sorted out in the next primary election. kentuck Aug 2013 #5

Think again. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #7

I thought again. kentuck Aug 2013 #10

The definition of insanity. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #13

lol you should know. your posts are a vivid illustration of that. cali Aug 2013 #104

too bad you can't snuff them all with alerts, eh? That is your MO. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #126

I think most progressives want a different direction. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #26

True Dat! Phlem Aug 2013 #54

Martin O'Malley. Please review his record. He has been a strong supporter of madinmaryland Aug 2013 #8

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2013 #9

Being from MD as well... Xyzse Aug 2013 #15

I love his record on education. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #17

And there you have it: Clinton/O'Malley JaneyVee Aug 2013 #18

no. I will not vote for Hillary for President. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #21

You're staying home on Election Day? JaneyVee Aug 2013 #27

just FYI, you do not have to tell anyone who you will vote for quinnox Aug 2013 #28

I really don't care if they give me the third degree or not. They cannot force to me to vote for liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #33

True, and they can ask about who you might vote for, but no one has to answer quinnox Aug 2013 #37

Uh, I'm just asking a follow up question. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #42

It's not just you quinnox Aug 2013 #56

I'd lose a lot of respect for Marty having known him for nearly 15 years... Chan790 Aug 2013 #149

He is a great organizer and has pushed through many good issues in MD Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #48

I'm warming up to O'Malley loyalsister Aug 2013 #102

Yup. I really like this guy. HappyMe Aug 2013 #122

just a weeeeee bit early quinnox Aug 2013 #11

Hillary is running and Huma Abedin is on her campaign. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #19

I'll believe it when she formally announces quinnox Aug 2013 #22

Which is a problem due to her Anthony Weiner baggage OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #142

BS, we need to start looking NOW for a challenger. joshcryer Aug 2013 #43

Have you seen her lately? quinnox Aug 2013 #47

Looks fine in the election reform speech. joshcryer Aug 2013 #58

Ok, well I saw a Barbara Walters interview with her and she looked bad, like in her face she had quinnox Aug 2013 #62

Could have been a bad case of jet lag. Dog knows she's traveled enough. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #68

huh, good point quinnox Aug 2013 #72

She is getting older and some women get saggy skin under their chin. I really don't care what liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #76

I understand that. But think about this, as the president you are going to be photographed 24/7, and quinnox Aug 2013 #88

Oh for Christs sake ! lumpy Aug 2013 #96

I actually just spent some time going over pics (pics inside). joshcryer Aug 2013 #71

Yea, she does look better there, especially in the top pic quinnox Aug 2013 #74

Skip to about 1:14 on this video: joshcryer Aug 2013 #78

Ok, yea, she does look better there quinnox Aug 2013 #81

She is looking pretty good here.... Little Star Aug 2013 #123

I always try to hfojvt Aug 2013 #63

Is this all some kind of grand theater to distract from the next actual election? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #100

I still think this is too early, but... Is it odd that I like Biden? Xyzse Aug 2013 #14

I could see Biden as our next President. Marie Marie Aug 2013 #35

Yes, but he is getting old and needs to get some botox. At least that is what I heard if anyone lumpy Aug 2013 #97

I like Biden as well. A lot in fact. mick063 Aug 2013 #39

Message here is liberals will stay home and hold their breath..next.. Historic NY Aug 2013 #31

based on the numbers saying it... Chan790 Aug 2013 #150

do any of you think Gore might give it another whirl? sad-cafe Aug 2013 #32

I think he should and I think he could definitely win Samantha Aug 2013 #93

I'd vote for Al Gore in a heartbeat Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #103

Too old. Needs botox. lumpy Aug 2013 #98

certainly someone who did not support those insane wars Skittles Aug 2013 #36

Posted a similar thread, mostly waffling, no real answers. joshcryer Aug 2013 #40

Remember the "anyone but Mitt" calls by many Republicans? mick063 Aug 2013 #46

I definitely remember and hell I even fell for it at times. joshcryer Aug 2013 #50

why must we be herded into picking one person especially right now? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #57

We need to find a challenger! joshcryer Aug 2013 #60

I agree we need to find a challenger but it's okay if it doesn't happen today or tomorrow. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #64

This isn't about knowing who is running. joshcryer Aug 2013 #75

I'm sorry I don't play the persuade game. I don't believe in trying to browbeat people into liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #80

What do you think campaigning is? joshcryer Aug 2013 #83

I don't care if you lift a finger or not. Geez why is it everybody on this board thinks they get to liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #85

Who is telling anyone what to do? joshcryer Aug 2013 #89

Elijah Cummings Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #44

I just googled his record on the issues theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #113

Russ Feingold (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #51

I'd have a lot more respect for the "I won't vote for Hillary" crowd... brooklynite Aug 2013 #59

I don't really care if you have respect for me or not. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #61

Thanks very much for your response... brooklynite Aug 2013 #67

So who is it? mick063 Aug 2013 #84

Not saying I'm the only person politically engaged... brooklynite Aug 2013 #132

Can't do all that alone. All I have is my one vote. Hillary will not get it. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #65

Sad...if only there was a way for you to communicate with other people... brooklynite Aug 2013 #121

Keeping in mind that I supported Hillary in '08, and will most likely do so in '16 OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #70

This post Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #120

Anybody, I don't care who tularetom Aug 2013 #69

OK..you don't care who. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #73

Well, he is on the NRA's shit list for proposing to tighten background check rules tularetom Aug 2013 #116

I would have a hard time voting for someone who voted for the Iraq war, ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #77

Hopefully, a progressive or, at least, a liberal for a change. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #82

+1 limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #86

We have a very limited bench other than Secretary Clinton. Biden is IMHO too old... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #87

+1 I very much hope she does also! Little Star Aug 2013 #124

I generally agree, although you left out Al Gore OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #137

It wasn't deliberate-he's just kept such a low profile I forgot about the possibility... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #148

Clinton/Weiner Politicalboi Aug 2013 #90

weiner/holder SwampG8r Aug 2013 #111

DUzy! winter is coming Aug 2013 #129

Elizabeth Warren MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #91

Idk. bravenak Aug 2013 #92

JOE BIDEN putitinD Aug 2013 #94

Liz Warren. Al Franken. Martin O'Malley. Anyone seen Brian Schweitzer lately? Gavin Newsom. Al Gore. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #101

He certainly has the money to run OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #106

I'd like to see Gore and/or Dean run. I could easily vote for either of those. I don't think Nay Aug 2013 #115

Hillary's Game... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #107

There are almost 1,100 days left until the election, this discussion can wait a year or so. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #109

GMA was discussing whether Hillary is running this morning. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #135

You're welcome to wait...the candidatess won't be brooklynite Aug 2013 #152

No Turd Way candidates for me. 99Forever Aug 2013 #110

Who? Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #112

I see this question all the time. LWolf Aug 2013 #114

Howard Dean screams for me. nt wtmusic Aug 2013 #125

I'd love to see maggie Hassan make a run for it myself. Amimnoch Aug 2013 #130

Someone who really wants the job, with a progressive platform? Orsino Aug 2013 #140

Errrr.... Spirochete Aug 2013 #141

I don't think we can nominate "Somebody Else" OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #143

I know. i don't really have my list Spirochete Aug 2013 #145

Not that she's ever even remotely shown interest but, I could see voting for Patty Murray... opiate69 Aug 2013 #144

Elizabeth Warren n/t nebenaube Aug 2013 #154

This place reminds me a lot of Free Republic, lots of angst over their "moderate" candidates. Beacool Aug 2013 #157

there are just as many Hillary supporters starting threads about her running. They are just liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #159

I'm hoping that she runs, but I have no clue whether she will or not. Beacool Aug 2013 #161