"Democracy".. yeah, that ol "democracy" loving snowden.. (Reply #262)

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Cha (217,922 posts)

262. "Democracy".. yeah, that ol "democracy" loving snowden..

"These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations."

http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html

snowden and greenwald are a couple of opportunistic liars.. and that has nothing to do with our Democracy. they like to make others think it does but they don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

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Report Indicates Snowden/Greenwald Lied About Key Claims [View all]	ProSense	Aug 2013	OP
So you're using the claims of a team of admitted fantastical liars, who even lied to Congress,	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#1
Feel free to posts Greenwald/Snowden's evidence	ProSense	Aug 2013	#3
Can you link to a quote re: what they promised?	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#6
Here	ProSense	Aug 2013	#10
He promises nothing specific in either piece you linked to	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#19
So you're dismissing what he promised to prove that he didn't make a false claim	ProSense	Aug 2013	#33
What, specifically, did he promise?	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#41
You can read.	ProSense	Aug 2013	#53
Seems like one of us can't read nt	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#74
You don't appear to have a point. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#83
THIS^^^^^^	AgingAmerican	Aug 2013	#121
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#131
"Not the strongest of arguments"	bobduca	Aug 2013	#9
Good to see	ProSense	Aug 2013	#13
No one is cheering on liars here. That includes Snowden & Greenwald.	randome	Aug 2013	#43
This is the second time I have seen you	Mojorabbit	Aug 2013	#105
I am convinced I have described him accurately. I have nothing but my opinion on that.	randome	Aug 2013	#112
LOL	grasswire	Aug 2013	#238
I see them in a slightly different light.	AverageJoe90	Aug 2013	#259
Why were we surprised to hear about spying?	washnwmn	Aug 2013	#156
welcome to DU	grasswire	Aug 2013	#239
So I should believe the NSA now	newfie11	Aug 2013	#2
What a great rebuttal.	ProSense	Aug 2013	#5
Can you produce one provable Snowden lie?	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#7
See the OP. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#11
Nope, that's based on the statements of proven liars. nt	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#14
Can you prove that? Dismissing the OP in this way is simply deflection. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#16
Did Priest get this info from the NSA? One would assume so.	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#27
So that means you just believe anybody that says something disparaging against the NSA?	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2013	#50
'Direct access', while not a lie, was certainly a whopper of deliberate misdirection.	randome	Aug 2013	#56
Kind of sad isn't it	Andy823	Aug 2013	#20
Yes, it has become a major flaw here on DU -- people become unhinged and just make up facts.	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#45
I agree	Andy823	Aug 2013	#154
We didn't really need Snowden to tell us.	Fuddnik	Aug 2013	#181
They may say it's not about Obama	Life Long Dem	Aug 2013	#129
How true	Andy823	Aug 2013	#207
Never trust anyone under 30	BeyondGeography	Aug 2013	#4
Trust the govt agency that outsources to Carlyle Group-owned, PNAC-led, Booz Allen Hamilton instead.	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#21
I am under 30	Jamaal510	Aug 2013	#266
If all his claims are false, why are they pursuing him?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#8
Key claims, not all	BeyondGeography	Aug 2013	#12
Greenwald said Snowden took documents that if released could "harm" the U.S.	ProSense	Aug 2013	#15
but the documents are a bunch of lies or stuff we already know.	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	#17
So why do you believe them? n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#18
Because Snowden's documents have forced the NSA to admit that they've lied, lied, lied	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#30
Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence of the claim, and	ProSense	Aug 2013	#37
Major logic fail Manny	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#55
what I don't believe is just about anything you have to say on the subject.	Warren Stupidity	Aug 2013	#32
Fine, and I didn't write the WaPo piece. Yet you're dismissing it and attempting to deflect. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#39
+1	L0oniX	Aug 2013	#217
as one of your defacto employers	grasswire	Aug 2013	#25
Clearly, implying that someone is a paid shill is a good argument for Greenwald/Snowden fans, but	ProSense	Aug 2013	#58
Well, we know for a fact that Greenwald is a paid shill...	Whisp	Aug 2013	#85
Greenwald is a shill for whom?	grasswire	Aug 2013	#88
for himself. against Obama. for the Pauls.	Whisp	Aug 2013	#93
Talk about conspiracy theory....	blackspade	Aug 2013	#137
He is getting paid, he is a Libertarian and agrees with Paul with many things, and he is anti-Obama.	Whisp	Aug 2013	#218
oh noes!!	grasswire	Aug 2013	#229
he is no longer a lawyer, his license is suspended.	Whisp	Aug 2013	#231
So -- if it's OK for NSA to snoop, it's OK for NSA supporters...	grasswire	Aug 2013	#236
there are jerks in the IRS that look at movie star taxes	Whisp	Aug 2013	#241
It's only surprising that you want to see...	grasswire	Aug 2013	#243
creepier than having Fuck Ron Paul sympathies, like Greeny does?	Whisp	Aug 2013	#244
His law license was not suspended.	ronnie624	Aug 2013	#263
machts nichts to me	grasswire	Aug 2013	#87
Right, you don't care, but	ProSense	Aug 2013	#89
I think Skinner says it best when he refers to "This whole who-is-the-paid-shill witch hunt.."	Cha	Aug 2013	#258
His claims of which Chinese computers we have spied on is probably true	Recursion	Aug 2013	#24
XKeyscore?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#22
Do you?	Recursion	Aug 2013	#26
Yes, as a matter of fact I do:	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#35
You should	ProSense	Aug 2013	#48
what?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#51
Who? n /t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#60
Third base!	baldguy	Aug 2013	#152
Several things	Recursion	Aug 2013	#75
If HTTP is not a plurality it is probably because FTP and TFTP outweigh it due to downloads	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#90
Because I've run routers at datacenters	Recursion	Aug 2013	#172
Some interesting stats from 2012.	Rex	Aug 2013	#180
What about it?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#63
3 hops out actually...	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#97
Nope, you're still going beyond the evidence released.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#133
And Clappers clarification that it was the least lie?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#139
Yet again, evidence.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#164
Hilarious how the "don't shoot the messenger" crowds first response to this OP is	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#23
Remember this post	Recursion	Aug 2013	#31
You noticed! nt	kelliekat44	Aug 2013	#199
the OP isn't a messanger the OP is a spinner	bowens43	Aug 2013	#228
From Dana Priest:	NCTraveler	Aug 2013	#28
omg it's a debunking!	Enrique	Aug 2013	#29
It's scary that people really, truly think so. nt	laundry_queen	Aug 2013	#189
I don't take the NSA's word for anything anymore	Aerows	Aug 2013	#34
Do you take Snowden's or Greenwald's word?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#68
I'll believe someone	Aerows	Aug 2013	#81
Ok, Greenwald has lied to you.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#94
You don't consider Leavenworth Military	Aerows	Aug 2013	#102
Leavenworth is a Military Prison...	Dr Hobbitstein	Aug 2013	#144
It is	Aerows	Aug 2013	#168
It has facilities with a variety of security	jeff47	Aug 2013	#158
According to the rules	Aerows	Aug 2013	#167
It's not binary	jeff47	Aug 2013	#175
Uh-huh	Aerows	Aug 2013	#178
No, actually you haven't proven squat.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#183
Nor have you	Aerows	Aug 2013	#186
So you're insisting I prove a negative?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#193
No different than you insisted	Aerows	Aug 2013	#198
Again, you're insisting that this is a binary choice.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#205
I said nothing of the sort	Aerows	Aug 2013	#208
Then why are you spending so much time arguing that you trust them? (nt)	jeff47	Aug 2013	#212
Here's the punchline of my post	Aerows	Aug 2013	#215
Parsing at it's finest.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#184
If absolute truth is the metric at hand, then yes.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#203
But it's NOT the metric that should be applied here, is it?	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#220
This sounds more and more like a birther argument.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#188
Feel free to point it out.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#197
I'm sure you'd like to waste my time like that, but you won't.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#253
This message was self-deleted by its author	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#136
It's sad that SnowGlenn snowed so many.	Whisp	Aug 2013	#36
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#40
If none of it is true	AgingAmerican	Aug 2013	#130
Because he released information beyond these programs	jeff47	Aug 2013	#179
Because he is a theif and released information he agreed not to.	Whisp	Aug 2013	#222
But if what he released isn't true	AgingAmerican	Aug 2013	#232
What are you talking about?	Whisp	Aug 2013	#240
Hey, do you also demand Obama's birth certificate?	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#194
The arguments reek of desperation. Pathetic.	GoneFishin	Aug 2013	#256
Yep. Now they're denying that there was any evidence, whatsoever.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#264
There you go again... nt	grasswire	Aug 2013	#242
Is this slide a lie?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#38
What? n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#44
who?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#47
Yes, the NSA uses software in the course of their jobs. Who could have foreseen that?	randome	Aug 2013	#49
And with that software it takes almost no effort to see in real time what is passing through	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#61
Unless someone has evidence that software is used on domestic data, you are assuming too much.	randome	Aug 2013	#69
Do you have any evidence that software was used against US persons?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#70
Actually yes...	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#109
Sorry, but that isn't evidence.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#135
LOL, let me get this straight. So the NSA has stopped denying that they're conducting blanket	Marr	Aug 2013	#42
LOL! Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence for the claim in the OP? n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#52
That would be XKeyscore n/t	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#54
That would be nonsense. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#59
Do you know how the internet works?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#67
Do you? Your posts have nothing to do with the OP. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#71
Can someone else tell me if this is what is called "Cognitive dissonance"?	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#79
No, but I'm sensing FAIL. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#84
The fail you sense comes from within your own psyche.	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#92
No relevant comments, only personal attacks. Pure FAIL. n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#99
wow...	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#115
It's called a "waste of time."	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#95
"You're arguing with a party apparatchik who is an institution at DU."	ProSense	Aug 2013	#98
I don't think it is salary in a monetary sense. I think it is a salary of psyche.	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#103
There are all sorts of incentives.	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#116
Yea, sounds of sort of like a coach or a overzealous boss	nolabels	Aug 2013	#126
I've got to wonder	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#140
It's called blind loyalty	Le Taz Hot	Aug 2013	#206
And the documents released about that	jeff47	Aug 2013	#78
Say... as of today, are Snowden's documents officially Old News™, Completely False™, or	Marr	Aug 2013	#57
Could you point to the document showing these tools were used on US persons?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#77
More character assassination	Life Long Dem	Aug 2013	#46
LOL! n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#62
I await an apology from Greenwald and a retraction by The Guardian.	millennialmax	Aug 2013	#64
Let's Summarize	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#65
No, there's been evidence	jeff47	Aug 2013	#82
+1000	JoePhilly	Aug 2013	#111
ROFLMAO	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#200
Show it to me, show me what I have been missing.	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#213
Go forth, educate thyself.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#216
More absurd, deflecting, spinning horseshit, right on schedule.	woo me with science	Aug 2013	#66
What the hell does that have to do with the OP? n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#73
It seems extremely on point	whttevrr	Aug 2013	#125
The author is confused libetarian whacko bird that supported the war!	AppleBottom	Aug 2013	#72
No,	ProSense	Aug 2013	#76
I don't think you've done a thorough enough background check of this blogger.	AppleBottom	Aug 2013	#249
How much do you want to bet that Greenwald has documents that explain this very process...	randome	Aug 2013	#80
More like the totalitarian PIRATES in the GOV did	usGovOwesUs3Trillion	Aug 2013	#86
It all depends on who you believe....	kentuck	Aug 2013	#91
OMG you and the Kos poster are completely clueless about what Snowden means by "authorities".	dkf	Aug 2013	#96
OMG	ProSense	Aug 2013	#100
Do you know what he means by "authorities" when it comes to computers? Obviously not.	dkf	Aug 2013	#113
So you are claiming that the NSA either has very lax security allowing "any" Super User	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#120
He knows better than I having navigated the system under different job titles.	dkf	Aug 2013	#124
He worked for BAH for less than 3 months	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#148
He worked for Dell as an NSA contractor prior.	dkf	Aug 2013	#151
But not as some sort of analyst	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#163
No as a systems administrator who also gets access above the normal.	dkf	Aug 2013	#192
Um, yes, I am in the field and work for the goverment	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#204
So you are saying there is an audit log that no one was reviewing?	dkf	Aug 2013	#230
Well now that's the whole question here	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#247
Well as a hacker isn't it his job to test the vulnerabilities?	dkf	Aug 2013	#248
What a nonsensical response. He hacked the system is not "certainly had the authorities to wiretap"	ProSense	Aug 2013	#149
Do you understand different levels of access?	dkf	Aug 2013	#155
"He isn't talking about the legal authority to do anything"	ProSense	Aug 2013	#159
Forget it. You have come across something	SomethingFishy	Aug 2013	#174
Why didn't Snowden steal something to support his claims, then?	randome	Aug 2013	#177
We would not be having this debate...	SomethingFishy	Aug 2013	#195
Then Snowden should not have made claims that he could spy on anyone.	randome	Aug 2013	#201
Thanks for telling me that.	dkf	Aug 2013	#202
You're assuming the documents are on the same systems as the programs	jeff47	Aug 2013	#171
"you really can't get a tornado full of sharks"	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#185
"Hair on Fire" = "Tornado Full of Sharks" lol.. I think we have a new label	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#214
Take that BACK about The Doctor!	randome	Aug 2013	#196
claims	heaven05	Aug 2013	#101
It's another datapoint to consider.	randome	Aug 2013	#108
as	heaven05	Aug 2013	#119
I think we'll get some changes from all this.	randome	Aug 2013	#128
yeah	heaven05	Aug 2013	#132
Still not convinced you are correct.	Vinnie From Indy	Aug 2013	#104
Well, I'm not impressed. "In your honor...":	ProSense	Aug 2013	#107
And there it sits....the dreaded blue linkie!	Vinnie From Indy	Aug 2013	#118
Drink!	OnyxCollie	Aug 2013	#141
It's "in your honor"	ProSense	Aug 2013	#161
Hey! We should start a drinking game!	Le Taz Hot	Aug 2013	#209
lol!	Vinnie From Indy	Aug 2013	#250
Skol!	Le Taz Hot	Aug 2013	#251
KOS, the CIA guy?	Octafish	Aug 2013	#106
OMG!	ProSense	Aug 2013	#110
It's not Kos, it's just a diary by one of thousands of DK members. Post has no particular	leveymg	Aug 2013	#122
I knew this was coming. nt	stevenleser	Aug 2013	#114
NSA domestic spying is STILL wrong	AgingAmerican	Aug 2013	#117
Obvious denial is obvious.	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#123
+Infinity! I say we suspend all funding for the NSA in toto until it complies with your quite	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#143
That would be an entirely appropriate response.	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#225
The Daily Kos story is garbage.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#127
"Dana Priest's 'report' quotes no sources and presents data that this totally unverified. "	ProSense	Aug 2013	#146
Your point is what?	blackspade	Aug 2013	#160
"If you want 'evidence' from Greenwald, maybe you should contact him and ask. "	ProSense	Aug 2013	#162
That is not such an admission at all.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#169
What if ProSense and Reggid are the same person? [n/t]	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#147
What if people constantly attacking me are Republicans? n/t	ProSense	Aug 2013	#157
That's like 2/3 or more of DU	Puzzledtraveller	Aug 2013	#223
And, or Libertarians.. whomever is personally attacking you.. you can be	Cha	Aug 2013	#260
Yeah, like ProSense is only one who sees through snowden/greenwald	Cha	Aug 2013	#261
It's true there is not much in the way of attribution in these stories.	randome	Aug 2013	#150
My problem with all of this is that I don't take the government's	blackspade	Aug 2013	#166
I don't blame anyone for being suspicious. Secrecy breeds it.	randome	Aug 2013	#173
I choose to err on the side of my civil liberties.	blackspade	Aug 2013	#182
Fair enough.	randome	Aug 2013	#187
The fact that he has released nothing showing spying on US persons	jeff47	Aug 2013	#210
This talking point has been refuted multiple times.	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#233
If the claims are untrue, why was Clapper willing to commit a felony and lie to the Senate?	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#134
Gotta bamboozle an audience to get the future book sales. nt	BumRushDaShow	Aug 2013	#138
Dang, I forgot someone on my Ignore list.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#211
Good catch! Me too [n/t]	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#234
Ever More Character Assassination - Pro Active And Sensible - Government Approved - IMHO	cantbeserious	Aug 2013	#142
Anyone who's been paying attention knew this already.	baldguy	Aug 2013	#145
Why would that in any way be a reason to approve of it? [n/t]	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#235
I approve of the dissemination & acceptance of the truth. As any reasonable, rational person should.	baldguy	Aug 2013	#254
If Snowden was to tell exactly how the NSA types of	glowing	Aug 2013	#153
ohhhhh pulllleeezzeee......	BrainDrain	Aug 2013	#165
First,	ProSense	Aug 2013	#170
If you are serious, post links to the "REAL evidence". "Dude, seriously". nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Aug 2013	#176
"the REAL evidence"?	Life Long Dem	Aug 2013	#191
REAL evidence.. please show us all	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#219
I wish my FWB would felate me the way Dana felates the NSA	hootinholler	Aug 2013	#190
lawl	Puzzledtraveller	Aug 2013	#221
Anyone swayed from one side to the other by this latest attempt? Hands? nt	Union Scribe	Aug 2013	#224
LOL!! Still at at it!!!! You're a hoot!!!	bowens43	Aug 2013	#226
Cool blog post dude,.. nice you found another partisan over democracy hack,.	Civilization2	Aug 2013	#227
Here's another	ProSense	Aug 2013	#237
nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls	sgtbenobo	Aug 2013	#245
Um	ProSense	Aug 2013	#246
Exactly as much as you do.	sgtbenobo	Aug 2013	#252
lolz,. right on point! endless delusional posts and non-responses is all ps offers,.	Civilization2	Aug 2013	#255
"Democracy".. yeah, that ol "democracy" loving snowden..	Cha	Aug 2013	#262
snowden and greenwald lie?!! Shocking claim!!!!!	Cha	Aug 2013	#257
Boink.	Scurrilous	Aug 2013	#265
And this has been our daily snowden-hate puke post	RetroLounge	Aug 2013	#267
Might be a bit harsh	stevenleser	Aug 2013	#268
Kick...	SidDithers	Aug 2013	#269

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