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So you're using the claims of a team of admitted fantastical liars, who even lied to Congress, MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #1
Feel free to posts Greenwald/Snowden's evidence ProSense Aug 2013 #3
Can you link to a quote re: what they promised? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #6
Here ProSense Aug 2013 #10
He promises nothing specific in either piece you linked to MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #19
So you're dismissing what he promised to prove that he didn't make a false claim ProSense Aug 2013 #33
What, specifically, did he promise? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #41
You can read. ProSense Aug 2013 #53
Seems like one of us *can't* read nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #74
You don't appear to have a point. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #83
THIS^^^^^^ AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #121
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #131
"Not the strongest of arguments" bobduca Aug 2013 #9
Good to see ProSense Aug 2013 #13
No one is cheering on liars here. That includes Snowden & Greenwald. randome Aug 2013 #43
This is the second time I have seen you Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #105
I am convinced I have described him accurately. I have nothing but my opinion on that. randome Aug 2013 #112
LOL grasswire Aug 2013 #238
I see them in a slightly different light. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #259
Why were we surprised to hear about spying? washnwmn Aug 2013 #156
welcome to DU grasswire Aug 2013 #239
So I should believe the NSA now newfie11 Aug 2013 #2
What a great rebuttal. ProSense Aug 2013 #5
Can you produce one provable Snowden lie? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #7
See the OP. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #11
Nope, that's based on the statements of proven liars. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #14
Can you prove that? Dismissing the OP in this way is simply deflection. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #16
Did Priest get this info from the NSA? One would assume so. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #27
So that means you just believe anybody that says something disparaging against the NSA? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #50
'Direct access', while not a lie, was certainly a whopper of deliberate misdirection. randome Aug 2013 #56
Kind of sad isn't it Andy823 Aug 2013 #20
Yes, it has become a major flaw here on DU -- people become unhinged and just make up facts. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #45
I agree Andy823 Aug 2013 #154
We didn't really need Snowden to tell us. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #181
They may say it's not about Obama Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #129
How true Andy823 Aug 2013 #207
Never trust anyone under 30 BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #4
Trust the govt agency that outsources to Carlyle Group-owned, PNAC-led, Booz Allen Hamilton instead. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #21
I am under 30 Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #266
If all his claims are false, why are they pursuing him? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8
Key claims, not all BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #12
Greenwald said Snowden took documents that if released could "harm" the U.S. ProSense Aug 2013 #15
but the documents are a bunch of lies or stuff we already know. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #17
So why do you believe them? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #18
Because Snowden's documents have forced the NSA to admit that they've lied, lied, lied MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #30
Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence of the claim, and ProSense Aug 2013 #37
Major logic fail Manny DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #55
what I don't believe is just about anything you have to say on the subject. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #32
Fine, and I didn't write the WaPo piece. Yet you're dismissing it and attempting to deflect. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #39
+1 L0oniX Aug 2013 #217
as one of your defacto employers grasswire Aug 2013 #25
Clearly, implying that someone is a paid shill is a good argument for Greenwald/Snowden fans, but ProSense Aug 2013 #58
Well, we know for a fact that Greenwald is a paid shill... Whisp Aug 2013 #85
Greenwald is a shill for whom? grasswire Aug 2013 #88
for himself. against Obama. for the Pauls. Whisp Aug 2013 #93
Talk about conspiracy theory.... blackspade Aug 2013 #137
He is getting paid, he is a Libertarian and agrees with Paul with many things, and he is anti-Obama. Whisp Aug 2013 #218
oh noes!! grasswire Aug 2013 #229
he is no longer a lawyer, his license is suspended. Whisp Aug 2013 #231
So -- if it's OK for NSA to snoop, it's OK for NSA supporters... grasswire Aug 2013 #236
there are jerks in the IRS that look at movie star taxes Whisp Aug 2013 #241
It's only surprising that you want to see... grasswire Aug 2013 #243
creepier than having Fuck Ron Paul sympathies, like Greeny does? Whisp Aug 2013 #244
His law license was not suspended. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #263
machts nichts to me grasswire Aug 2013 #87
Right, you don't care, but ProSense Aug 2013 #89
I think Skinner says it best when he refers to "This whole who-is-the-paid-shill witch hunt.." Cha Aug 2013 #258
His claims of which Chinese computers we have spied on is probably true Recursion Aug 2013 #24
XKeyscore? whttevrr Aug 2013 #22
Do you? Recursion Aug 2013 #26
Yes, as a matter of fact I do: whttevrr Aug 2013 #35
You should ProSense Aug 2013 #48
what? whttevrr Aug 2013 #51
Who? n /t ProSense Aug 2013 #60
Third base! baldguy Aug 2013 #152
Several things Recursion Aug 2013 #75
If HTTP is not a plurality it is probably because FTP and TFTP outweigh it due to downloads whttevrr Aug 2013 #90
Because I've run routers at datacenters Recursion Aug 2013 #172
Some interesting stats from 2012. Rex Aug 2013 #180
What about it? jeff47 Aug 2013 #63
3 hops out actually... whttevrr Aug 2013 #97
Nope, you're still going beyond the evidence released. jeff47 Aug 2013 #133
And Clappers clarification that it was the least lie? whttevrr Aug 2013 #139
Yet again, evidence. jeff47 Aug 2013 #164
Hilarious how the "don't shoot the messenger" crowds first response to this OP is JaneyVee Aug 2013 #23
Remember this post Recursion Aug 2013 #31
You noticed! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #199
the OP isn't a messanger the OP is a spinner bowens43 Aug 2013 #228
From Dana Priest: NCTraveler Aug 2013 #28
omg it's a debunking! Enrique Aug 2013 #29
It's scary that people really, truly think so. nt laundry_queen Aug 2013 #189
I don't take the NSA's word for anything anymore Aerows Aug 2013 #34
Do you take Snowden's or Greenwald's word? jeff47 Aug 2013 #68
I'll believe someone Aerows Aug 2013 #81
Ok, Greenwald has lied to you. jeff47 Aug 2013 #94
You don't consider Leavenworth Military Aerows Aug 2013 #102
Leavenworth is a Military Prison... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #144
It is Aerows Aug 2013 #168
It has facilities with a variety of security jeff47 Aug 2013 #158
According to the rules Aerows Aug 2013 #167
It's not binary jeff47 Aug 2013 #175
Uh-huh Aerows Aug 2013 #178
No, actually you haven't proven squat. jeff47 Aug 2013 #183
Nor have you Aerows Aug 2013 #186
So you're insisting I prove a negative? jeff47 Aug 2013 #193
No different than you insisted Aerows Aug 2013 #198
Again, you're insisting that this is a binary choice. jeff47 Aug 2013 #205
I said nothing of the sort Aerows Aug 2013 #208
Then why are you spending so much time arguing that you trust them? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #212
Here's the punchline of my post Aerows Aug 2013 #215
Parsing at it's finest. Th1onein Aug 2013 #184
If absolute truth is the metric at hand, then yes. jeff47 Aug 2013 #203
But it's NOT the metric that should be applied here, is it? Th1onein Aug 2013 #220
This sounds more and more like a birther argument. Th1onein Aug 2013 #188
Feel free to point it out. jeff47 Aug 2013 #197
I'm sure you'd like to waste my time like that, but you won't. Th1onein Aug 2013 #253
This message was self-deleted by its author HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #136
It's sad that SnowGlenn snowed so many. Whisp Aug 2013 #36
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag? whttevrr Aug 2013 #40
If none of it is true AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #130
Because he released information beyond these programs jeff47 Aug 2013 #179
Because he is a theif and released information he agreed not to. Whisp Aug 2013 #222
But if what he released isn't true AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #232
What are you talking about? Whisp Aug 2013 #240
Hey, do you also demand Obama's birth certificate? Th1onein Aug 2013 #194
The arguments reek of desperation. Pathetic. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #256
Yep. Now they're denying that there was any evidence, whatsoever. Th1onein Aug 2013 #264
There you go again... nt grasswire Aug 2013 #242
Is this slide a lie? whttevrr Aug 2013 #38
What? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #44
who? whttevrr Aug 2013 #47
Yes, the NSA uses software in the course of their jobs. Who could have foreseen that? randome Aug 2013 #49
And with that software it takes almost no effort to see in real time what is passing through whttevrr Aug 2013 #61
Unless someone has evidence that software is used on domestic data, you are assuming too much. randome Aug 2013 #69
Do you have any evidence that software was used against US persons? jeff47 Aug 2013 #70
Actually yes... whttevrr Aug 2013 #109
Sorry, but that isn't evidence. jeff47 Aug 2013 #135
LOL, let me get this straight. So the NSA has stopped denying that they're conducting blanket Marr Aug 2013 #42
LOL! Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence for the claim in the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #52
That would be XKeyscore n/t whttevrr Aug 2013 #54
That would be nonsense. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #59
Do you know how the internet works? whttevrr Aug 2013 #67
Do you? Your posts have nothing to do with the OP. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #71
Can someone else tell me if this is what is called "Cognitive dissonance"? whttevrr Aug 2013 #79
No, but I'm sensing FAIL. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #84
The fail you sense comes from within your own psyche. whttevrr Aug 2013 #92
No relevant comments, only personal attacks. Pure FAIL. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #99
wow... whttevrr Aug 2013 #115
It's called a "waste of time." OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #95
"You're arguing with a party apparatchik who is an institution at DU." ProSense Aug 2013 #98
I don't think it is salary in a monetary sense. I think it is a salary of psyche. whttevrr Aug 2013 #103
There are all sorts of incentives. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #116
Yea, sounds of sort of like a coach or a overzealous boss nolabels Aug 2013 #126
I've got to wonder OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #140
It's called blind loyalty Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #206
And the documents released about that jeff47 Aug 2013 #78
Say... as of today, are Snowden's documents officially Old News™, Completely False™, or Marr Aug 2013 #57
Could you point to the document showing these tools were used on US persons? jeff47 Aug 2013 #77
More character assassination Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #46
LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #62
I await an apology from Greenwald and a retraction by The Guardian. millennialmax Aug 2013 #64
Let's Summarize DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #65
No, there's been evidence jeff47 Aug 2013 #82
+1000 JoePhilly Aug 2013 #111
ROFLMAO Th1onein Aug 2013 #200
Show it to me, show me what I have been missing. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #213
Go forth, educate thyself. Th1onein Aug 2013 #216
More absurd, deflecting, spinning horseshit, right on schedule. woo me with science Aug 2013 #66
What the hell does that have to do with the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #73
It seems extremely on point whttevrr Aug 2013 #125
The author is confused libetarian whacko bird that supported the war! AppleBottom Aug 2013 #72
No, ProSense Aug 2013 #76
I don't think you've done a thorough enough background check of this blogger. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #249
How much do you want to bet that Greenwald has documents that explain this very process... randome Aug 2013 #80
More like the totalitarian PIRATES in the GOV did usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #86
It all depends on who you believe.... kentuck Aug 2013 #91
OMG you and the Kos poster are completely clueless about what Snowden means by "authorities". dkf Aug 2013 #96
OMG ProSense Aug 2013 #100
Do you know what he means by "authorities" when it comes to computers? Obviously not. dkf Aug 2013 #113
So you are claiming that the NSA either has very lax security allowing "any" Super User DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #120
He knows better than I having navigated the system under different job titles. dkf Aug 2013 #124
He worked for BAH for less than 3 months BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #148
He worked for Dell as an NSA contractor prior. dkf Aug 2013 #151
But not as some sort of analyst BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #163
No as a systems administrator who also gets access above the normal. dkf Aug 2013 #192
Um, yes, I am in the field and work for the goverment BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #204
So you are saying there is an audit log that no one was reviewing? dkf Aug 2013 #230
Well now that's the whole question here BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #247
Well as a hacker isn't it his job to test the vulnerabilities? dkf Aug 2013 #248
What a nonsensical response. He hacked the system is not "certainly had the authorities to wiretap" ProSense Aug 2013 #149
Do you understand different levels of access? dkf Aug 2013 #155
"He isn't talking about the legal authority to do anything" ProSense Aug 2013 #159
Forget it. You have come across something SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #174
Why didn't Snowden steal something to support his claims, then? randome Aug 2013 #177
We would not be having this debate... SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #195
Then Snowden should not have made claims that he could spy on anyone. randome Aug 2013 #201
Thanks for telling me that. dkf Aug 2013 #202
You're assuming the documents are on the same systems as the programs jeff47 Aug 2013 #171
"you really can't get a tornado full of sharks" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #185
"Hair on Fire" = "Tornado Full of Sharks" lol.. I think we have a new label DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #214
Take that BACK about The Doctor! randome Aug 2013 #196
claims heaven05 Aug 2013 #101
It's another datapoint to consider. randome Aug 2013 #108
as heaven05 Aug 2013 #119
I think we'll get some changes from all this. randome Aug 2013 #128
yeah heaven05 Aug 2013 #132
Still not convinced you are correct. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #104
Well, I'm not impressed. "In your honor...": ProSense Aug 2013 #107
And there it sits....the dreaded blue linkie! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #118
Drink! OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #141
It's "in your honor" ProSense Aug 2013 #161
Hey! We should start a drinking game! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #209
lol! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #250
Skol! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #251
KOS, the CIA guy? Octafish Aug 2013 #106
OMG! ProSense Aug 2013 #110
It's not Kos, it's just a diary by one of thousands of DK members. Post has no particular leveymg Aug 2013 #122
I knew this was coming. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #114
NSA domestic spying is STILL wrong AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #117
Obvious denial is obvious. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #123
+Infinity! I say we suspend all funding for the NSA in toto until it complies with your quite HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #143
That would be an entirely appropriate response. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #225
The Daily Kos story is garbage. blackspade Aug 2013 #127
"Dana Priest's 'report' quotes no sources and presents data that this totally unverified. " ProSense Aug 2013 #146
Your point is what? blackspade Aug 2013 #160
"If you want 'evidence' from Greenwald, maybe you should contact him and ask. " ProSense Aug 2013 #162
That is not such an admission at all. blackspade Aug 2013 #169
What if ProSense and Reggid are the same person? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #147
What if people constantly attacking me are Republicans? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #157
That's like 2/3 or more of DU Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #223
And, or Libertarians.. whomever is personally attacking you.. you can be Cha Aug 2013 #260
Yeah, like ProSense is only one who sees through snowden/greenwald Cha Aug 2013 #261
It's true there is not much in the way of attribution in these stories. randome Aug 2013 #150
My problem with all of this is that I don't take the government's blackspade Aug 2013 #166
I don't blame anyone for being suspicious. Secrecy breeds it. randome Aug 2013 #173
I choose to err on the side of my civil liberties. blackspade Aug 2013 #182
Fair enough. randome Aug 2013 #187
The fact that he has released nothing showing spying on US persons jeff47 Aug 2013 #210
This talking point has been refuted multiple times. Maedhros Aug 2013 #233
If the claims are untrue, why was Clapper willing to commit a felony and lie to the Senate? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #134
Gotta bamboozle an audience to get the future book sales. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #138
Dang, I forgot someone on my Ignore list. Th1onein Aug 2013 #211
Good catch! Me too [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #234
Ever More Character Assassination - Pro Active And Sensible - Government Approved - IMHO cantbeserious Aug 2013 #142
Anyone who's been paying attention knew this already. baldguy Aug 2013 #145
Why would that in any way be a reason to approve of it? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #235
I approve of the dissemination & acceptance of the truth. As any reasonable, rational person should. baldguy Aug 2013 #254
If Snowden was to tell exactly how the NSA types of glowing Aug 2013 #153
ohhhhh pulllleeezzeee...... BrainDrain Aug 2013 #165
First, ProSense Aug 2013 #170
If you are serious, post links to the "REAL evidence". "Dude, seriously". nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #176
"the REAL evidence"? Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #191
REAL evidence.. please show us all DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #219
I wish my FWB would felate me the way Dana felates the NSA hootinholler Aug 2013 #190
lawl Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #221
Anyone swayed from one side to the other by this latest attempt? Hands? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #224
LOL!! Still at at it!!!! You're a hoot!!! bowens43 Aug 2013 #226
Cool blog post dude,.. nice you found another partisan over democracy hack,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #227
Here's another ProSense Aug 2013 #237
nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #245
Um ProSense Aug 2013 #246
Exactly as much as you do. sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #252
lolz,. right on point! endless delusional posts and non-responses is all ps offers,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #255
"Democracy".. yeah, that ol "democracy" loving snowden.. Cha Aug 2013 #262
snowden and greenwald lie?!! Shocking claim!!!!! Cha Aug 2013 #257
Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #265
And this has been our daily snowden-hate puke post RetroLounge Aug 2013 #267
Might be a bit harsh stevenleser Aug 2013 #268
Kick... SidDithers Aug 2013 #269
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