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Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
147. What if ProSense and Reggid are the same person? [n/t]
Fri Aug 9, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

We know from painful experience that ProSense likes to post recursive links to her previous posts (with recursive links to previous posts, ad infinitum). Maybe she's raised her game by posting links to previous posts on another site.

Brilliant!

(Disclaimer: I have no proof of this, but it's kinda' funny to consider).

So you're using the claims of a team of admitted fantastical liars, who even lied to Congress, MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #1
Feel free to posts Greenwald/Snowden's evidence ProSense Aug 2013 #3
Can you link to a quote re: what they promised? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #6
Here ProSense Aug 2013 #10
He promises nothing specific in either piece you linked to MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #19
So you're dismissing what he promised to prove that he didn't make a false claim ProSense Aug 2013 #33
What, specifically, did he promise? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #41
You can read. ProSense Aug 2013 #53
Seems like one of us *can't* read nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #74
You don't appear to have a point. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #83
THIS^^^^^^ AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #121
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #131
"Not the strongest of arguments" bobduca Aug 2013 #9
Good to see ProSense Aug 2013 #13
No one is cheering on liars here. That includes Snowden & Greenwald. randome Aug 2013 #43
This is the second time I have seen you Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #105
I am convinced I have described him accurately. I have nothing but my opinion on that. randome Aug 2013 #112
LOL grasswire Aug 2013 #238
I see them in a slightly different light. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #259
Why were we surprised to hear about spying? washnwmn Aug 2013 #156
welcome to DU grasswire Aug 2013 #239
So I should believe the NSA now newfie11 Aug 2013 #2
What a great rebuttal. ProSense Aug 2013 #5
Can you produce one provable Snowden lie? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #7
See the OP. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #11
Nope, that's based on the statements of proven liars. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #14
Can you prove that? Dismissing the OP in this way is simply deflection. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #16
Did Priest get this info from the NSA? One would assume so. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #27
So that means you just believe anybody that says something disparaging against the NSA? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #50
'Direct access', while not a lie, was certainly a whopper of deliberate misdirection. randome Aug 2013 #56
Kind of sad isn't it Andy823 Aug 2013 #20
Yes, it has become a major flaw here on DU -- people become unhinged and just make up facts. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #45
I agree Andy823 Aug 2013 #154
We didn't really need Snowden to tell us. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #181
They may say it's not about Obama Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #129
How true Andy823 Aug 2013 #207
Never trust anyone under 30 BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #4
Trust the govt agency that outsources to Carlyle Group-owned, PNAC-led, Booz Allen Hamilton instead. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #21
I am under 30 Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #266
If all his claims are false, why are they pursuing him? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8
Key claims, not all BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #12
Greenwald said Snowden took documents that if released could "harm" the U.S. ProSense Aug 2013 #15
but the documents are a bunch of lies or stuff we already know. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #17
So why do you believe them? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #18
Because Snowden's documents have forced the NSA to admit that they've lied, lied, lied MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #30
Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence of the claim, and ProSense Aug 2013 #37
Major logic fail Manny DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #55
what I don't believe is just about anything you have to say on the subject. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #32
Fine, and I didn't write the WaPo piece. Yet you're dismissing it and attempting to deflect. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #39
+1 L0oniX Aug 2013 #217
as one of your defacto employers grasswire Aug 2013 #25
Clearly, implying that someone is a paid shill is a good argument for Greenwald/Snowden fans, but ProSense Aug 2013 #58
Well, we know for a fact that Greenwald is a paid shill... Whisp Aug 2013 #85
Greenwald is a shill for whom? grasswire Aug 2013 #88
for himself. against Obama. for the Pauls. Whisp Aug 2013 #93
Talk about conspiracy theory.... blackspade Aug 2013 #137
He is getting paid, he is a Libertarian and agrees with Paul with many things, and he is anti-Obama. Whisp Aug 2013 #218
oh noes!! grasswire Aug 2013 #229
he is no longer a lawyer, his license is suspended. Whisp Aug 2013 #231
So -- if it's OK for NSA to snoop, it's OK for NSA supporters... grasswire Aug 2013 #236
there are jerks in the IRS that look at movie star taxes Whisp Aug 2013 #241
It's only surprising that you want to see... grasswire Aug 2013 #243
creepier than having Fuck Ron Paul sympathies, like Greeny does? Whisp Aug 2013 #244
His law license was not suspended. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #263
machts nichts to me grasswire Aug 2013 #87
Right, you don't care, but ProSense Aug 2013 #89
I think Skinner says it best when he refers to "This whole who-is-the-paid-shill witch hunt.." Cha Aug 2013 #258
His claims of which Chinese computers we have spied on is probably true Recursion Aug 2013 #24
XKeyscore? whttevrr Aug 2013 #22
Do you? Recursion Aug 2013 #26
Yes, as a matter of fact I do: whttevrr Aug 2013 #35
You should ProSense Aug 2013 #48
what? whttevrr Aug 2013 #51
Who? n /t ProSense Aug 2013 #60
Third base! baldguy Aug 2013 #152
Several things Recursion Aug 2013 #75
If HTTP is not a plurality it is probably because FTP and TFTP outweigh it due to downloads whttevrr Aug 2013 #90
Because I've run routers at datacenters Recursion Aug 2013 #172
Some interesting stats from 2012. Rex Aug 2013 #180
What about it? jeff47 Aug 2013 #63
3 hops out actually... whttevrr Aug 2013 #97
Nope, you're still going beyond the evidence released. jeff47 Aug 2013 #133
And Clappers clarification that it was the least lie? whttevrr Aug 2013 #139
Yet again, evidence. jeff47 Aug 2013 #164
Hilarious how the "don't shoot the messenger" crowds first response to this OP is JaneyVee Aug 2013 #23
Remember this post Recursion Aug 2013 #31
You noticed! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #199
the OP isn't a messanger the OP is a spinner bowens43 Aug 2013 #228
From Dana Priest: NCTraveler Aug 2013 #28
omg it's a debunking! Enrique Aug 2013 #29
It's scary that people really, truly think so. nt laundry_queen Aug 2013 #189
I don't take the NSA's word for anything anymore Aerows Aug 2013 #34
Do you take Snowden's or Greenwald's word? jeff47 Aug 2013 #68
I'll believe someone Aerows Aug 2013 #81
Ok, Greenwald has lied to you. jeff47 Aug 2013 #94
You don't consider Leavenworth Military Aerows Aug 2013 #102
Leavenworth is a Military Prison... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #144
It is Aerows Aug 2013 #168
It has facilities with a variety of security jeff47 Aug 2013 #158
According to the rules Aerows Aug 2013 #167
It's not binary jeff47 Aug 2013 #175
Uh-huh Aerows Aug 2013 #178
No, actually you haven't proven squat. jeff47 Aug 2013 #183
Nor have you Aerows Aug 2013 #186
So you're insisting I prove a negative? jeff47 Aug 2013 #193
No different than you insisted Aerows Aug 2013 #198
Again, you're insisting that this is a binary choice. jeff47 Aug 2013 #205
I said nothing of the sort Aerows Aug 2013 #208
Then why are you spending so much time arguing that you trust them? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #212
Here's the punchline of my post Aerows Aug 2013 #215
Parsing at it's finest. Th1onein Aug 2013 #184
If absolute truth is the metric at hand, then yes. jeff47 Aug 2013 #203
But it's NOT the metric that should be applied here, is it? Th1onein Aug 2013 #220
This sounds more and more like a birther argument. Th1onein Aug 2013 #188
Feel free to point it out. jeff47 Aug 2013 #197
I'm sure you'd like to waste my time like that, but you won't. Th1onein Aug 2013 #253
This message was self-deleted by its author HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #136
It's sad that SnowGlenn snowed so many. Whisp Aug 2013 #36
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag? whttevrr Aug 2013 #40
If none of it is true AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #130
Because he released information beyond these programs jeff47 Aug 2013 #179
Because he is a theif and released information he agreed not to. Whisp Aug 2013 #222
But if what he released isn't true AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #232
What are you talking about? Whisp Aug 2013 #240
Hey, do you also demand Obama's birth certificate? Th1onein Aug 2013 #194
The arguments reek of desperation. Pathetic. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #256
Yep. Now they're denying that there was any evidence, whatsoever. Th1onein Aug 2013 #264
There you go again... nt grasswire Aug 2013 #242
Is this slide a lie? whttevrr Aug 2013 #38
What? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #44
who? whttevrr Aug 2013 #47
Yes, the NSA uses software in the course of their jobs. Who could have foreseen that? randome Aug 2013 #49
And with that software it takes almost no effort to see in real time what is passing through whttevrr Aug 2013 #61
Unless someone has evidence that software is used on domestic data, you are assuming too much. randome Aug 2013 #69
Do you have any evidence that software was used against US persons? jeff47 Aug 2013 #70
Actually yes... whttevrr Aug 2013 #109
Sorry, but that isn't evidence. jeff47 Aug 2013 #135
LOL, let me get this straight. So the NSA has stopped denying that they're conducting blanket Marr Aug 2013 #42
LOL! Where is Greenwald/Snowden's evidence for the claim in the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #52
That would be XKeyscore n/t whttevrr Aug 2013 #54
That would be nonsense. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #59
Do you know how the internet works? whttevrr Aug 2013 #67
Do you? Your posts have nothing to do with the OP. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #71
Can someone else tell me if this is what is called "Cognitive dissonance"? whttevrr Aug 2013 #79
No, but I'm sensing FAIL. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #84
The fail you sense comes from within your own psyche. whttevrr Aug 2013 #92
No relevant comments, only personal attacks. Pure FAIL. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #99
wow... whttevrr Aug 2013 #115
It's called a "waste of time." OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #95
"You're arguing with a party apparatchik who is an institution at DU." ProSense Aug 2013 #98
I don't think it is salary in a monetary sense. I think it is a salary of psyche. whttevrr Aug 2013 #103
There are all sorts of incentives. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #116
Yea, sounds of sort of like a coach or a overzealous boss nolabels Aug 2013 #126
I've got to wonder OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #140
It's called blind loyalty Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #206
And the documents released about that jeff47 Aug 2013 #78
Say... as of today, are Snowden's documents officially Old News™, Completely False™, or Marr Aug 2013 #57
Could you point to the document showing these tools were used on US persons? jeff47 Aug 2013 #77
More character assassination Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #46
LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #62
I await an apology from Greenwald and a retraction by The Guardian. millennialmax Aug 2013 #64
Let's Summarize DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #65
No, there's been evidence jeff47 Aug 2013 #82
+1000 JoePhilly Aug 2013 #111
ROFLMAO Th1onein Aug 2013 #200
Show it to me, show me what I have been missing. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #213
Go forth, educate thyself. Th1onein Aug 2013 #216
More absurd, deflecting, spinning horseshit, right on schedule. woo me with science Aug 2013 #66
What the hell does that have to do with the OP? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #73
It seems extremely on point whttevrr Aug 2013 #125
The author is confused libetarian whacko bird that supported the war! AppleBottom Aug 2013 #72
No, ProSense Aug 2013 #76
I don't think you've done a thorough enough background check of this blogger. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #249
How much do you want to bet that Greenwald has documents that explain this very process... randome Aug 2013 #80
More like the totalitarian PIRATES in the GOV did usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #86
It all depends on who you believe.... kentuck Aug 2013 #91
OMG you and the Kos poster are completely clueless about what Snowden means by "authorities". dkf Aug 2013 #96
OMG ProSense Aug 2013 #100
Do you know what he means by "authorities" when it comes to computers? Obviously not. dkf Aug 2013 #113
So you are claiming that the NSA either has very lax security allowing "any" Super User DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #120
He knows better than I having navigated the system under different job titles. dkf Aug 2013 #124
He worked for BAH for less than 3 months BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #148
He worked for Dell as an NSA contractor prior. dkf Aug 2013 #151
But not as some sort of analyst BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #163
No as a systems administrator who also gets access above the normal. dkf Aug 2013 #192
Um, yes, I am in the field and work for the goverment BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #204
So you are saying there is an audit log that no one was reviewing? dkf Aug 2013 #230
Well now that's the whole question here BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #247
Well as a hacker isn't it his job to test the vulnerabilities? dkf Aug 2013 #248
What a nonsensical response. He hacked the system is not "certainly had the authorities to wiretap" ProSense Aug 2013 #149
Do you understand different levels of access? dkf Aug 2013 #155
"He isn't talking about the legal authority to do anything" ProSense Aug 2013 #159
Forget it. You have come across something SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #174
Why didn't Snowden steal something to support his claims, then? randome Aug 2013 #177
We would not be having this debate... SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #195
Then Snowden should not have made claims that he could spy on anyone. randome Aug 2013 #201
Thanks for telling me that. dkf Aug 2013 #202
You're assuming the documents are on the same systems as the programs jeff47 Aug 2013 #171
"you really can't get a tornado full of sharks" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #185
"Hair on Fire" = "Tornado Full of Sharks" lol.. I think we have a new label DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #214
Take that BACK about The Doctor! randome Aug 2013 #196
claims heaven05 Aug 2013 #101
It's another datapoint to consider. randome Aug 2013 #108
as heaven05 Aug 2013 #119
I think we'll get some changes from all this. randome Aug 2013 #128
yeah heaven05 Aug 2013 #132
Still not convinced you are correct. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #104
Well, I'm not impressed. "In your honor...": ProSense Aug 2013 #107
And there it sits....the dreaded blue linkie! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #118
Drink! OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #141
It's "in your honor" ProSense Aug 2013 #161
Hey! We should start a drinking game! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #209
lol! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #250
Skol! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #251
KOS, the CIA guy? Octafish Aug 2013 #106
OMG! ProSense Aug 2013 #110
It's not Kos, it's just a diary by one of thousands of DK members. Post has no particular leveymg Aug 2013 #122
I knew this was coming. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #114
NSA domestic spying is STILL wrong AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #117
Obvious denial is obvious. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #123
+Infinity! I say we suspend all funding for the NSA in toto until it complies with your quite HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #143
That would be an entirely appropriate response. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #225
The Daily Kos story is garbage. blackspade Aug 2013 #127
"Dana Priest's 'report' quotes no sources and presents data that this totally unverified. " ProSense Aug 2013 #146
Your point is what? blackspade Aug 2013 #160
"If you want 'evidence' from Greenwald, maybe you should contact him and ask. " ProSense Aug 2013 #162
That is not such an admission at all. blackspade Aug 2013 #169
What if ProSense and Reggid are the same person? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #147
What if people constantly attacking me are Republicans? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #157
That's like 2/3 or more of DU Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #223
And, or Libertarians.. whomever is personally attacking you.. you can be Cha Aug 2013 #260
Yeah, like ProSense is only one who sees through snowden/greenwald Cha Aug 2013 #261
It's true there is not much in the way of attribution in these stories. randome Aug 2013 #150
My problem with all of this is that I don't take the government's blackspade Aug 2013 #166
I don't blame anyone for being suspicious. Secrecy breeds it. randome Aug 2013 #173
I choose to err on the side of my civil liberties. blackspade Aug 2013 #182
Fair enough. randome Aug 2013 #187
The fact that he has released nothing showing spying on US persons jeff47 Aug 2013 #210
This talking point has been refuted multiple times. Maedhros Aug 2013 #233
If the claims are untrue, why was Clapper willing to commit a felony and lie to the Senate? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #134
Gotta bamboozle an audience to get the future book sales. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #138
Dang, I forgot someone on my Ignore list. Th1onein Aug 2013 #211
Good catch! Me too [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #234
Ever More Character Assassination - Pro Active And Sensible - Government Approved - IMHO cantbeserious Aug 2013 #142
Anyone who's been paying attention knew this already. baldguy Aug 2013 #145
Why would that in any way be a reason to approve of it? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #235
I approve of the dissemination & acceptance of the truth. As any reasonable, rational person should. baldguy Aug 2013 #254
If Snowden was to tell exactly how the NSA types of glowing Aug 2013 #153
ohhhhh pulllleeezzeee...... BrainDrain Aug 2013 #165
First, ProSense Aug 2013 #170
If you are serious, post links to the "REAL evidence". "Dude, seriously". nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #176
"the REAL evidence"? Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #191
REAL evidence.. please show us all DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #219
I wish my FWB would felate me the way Dana felates the NSA hootinholler Aug 2013 #190
lawl Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #221
Anyone swayed from one side to the other by this latest attempt? Hands? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #224
LOL!! Still at at it!!!! You're a hoot!!! bowens43 Aug 2013 #226
Cool blog post dude,.. nice you found another partisan over democracy hack,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #227
Here's another ProSense Aug 2013 #237
nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #245
Um ProSense Aug 2013 #246
Exactly as much as you do. sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #252
lolz,. right on point! endless delusional posts and non-responses is all ps offers,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #255
"Democracy".. yeah, that ol "democracy" loving snowden.. Cha Aug 2013 #262
snowden and greenwald lie?!! Shocking claim!!!!! Cha Aug 2013 #257
Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #265
And this has been our daily snowden-hate puke post RetroLounge Aug 2013 #267
Might be a bit harsh stevenleser Aug 2013 #268
Kick... SidDithers Aug 2013 #269
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