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Recursion

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116. Yeah, when people lie about programs, they sound bad
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

Lying about how a chained CPI works doesn't clear anything up.

K&R. I have contacted both of my Dem senators about Chained CPI and they oppose it too. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1
Make Tom Harkin Sen Majority Leader. tblue Aug 2013 #2
He's retiring. Not running in 2014. cali Aug 2013 #4
And he's gonna be sorely missed. emulatorloo Aug 2013 #53
indeed hollysmom Aug 2013 #66
NO excuse for cutting benefits The Blue Flower Aug 2013 #3
Raise the salary cap then you have to raise the benefits cap OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #52
Why do you say that? Do you know what the salary cap is? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #76
It's the level at which, if you earn any higher, you don't have to pay any more than that. OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #100
And this is a bad thing? daleanime Aug 2013 #121
All it does is give fuel to the fire if the pugs get back control of the purse strings. OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #128
.....Yeah, you really shouldn't advise anyone on politics. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #145
In the same vein, you shouldn't advise anyone on diplomacy demwing Aug 2013 #187
Their going to try no matter what we do..... daleanime Aug 2013 #157
"they're" Contraction for "they are" maddiemom Aug 2013 #182
It's what I get when I hurry. daleanime Aug 2013 #185
LOL! "contend?" Yeah, points for that! Thanks for being a good sport to my grammar maddiemom Aug 2013 #191
Huh? Why be upset? daleanime Aug 2013 #199
Not true Horse with no Name Aug 2013 #193
What?? Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #125
that's not true, you only pay out 10% of what they put in. Sirveri Aug 2013 #184
DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #5
She is visiting the wrong Senator exboyfil Aug 2013 #6
That is what John2 Aug 2013 #8
Oust the President? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #13
Impeachment. (See Bill Clinton) maddiemom Aug 2013 #183
Because the left has shitty logistics Scootaloo Aug 2013 #132
"I've paid into it since I was 16." LWolf Aug 2013 #7
I am in the same predicament as your mom. RebelOne Aug 2013 #12
It's not right. LWolf Aug 2013 #38
I really sympathize with your mom. RebelOne Aug 2013 #111
We treat seniors like dirt in this country and it is has avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #9
True and shame on us! I think some of the poorest countries treat seniors better!... Little Star Aug 2013 #26
+1000. It's sad and disgusting. nt adirondacker Aug 2013 #197
How else can we afford to send drone armies to Yemen LittleBlue Aug 2013 #10
But she is overweight joeglow3 Aug 2013 #11
High calorie, government subsidized carbs are the cheapest food source and it makes many people Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #17
Not really true Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #24
Some people are allergic to beans, just saying. Little Star Aug 2013 #28
"Some people" will be allergic to just about anything Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #32
Yes, and others, like me, have a catastrophic medical condition for which very expensive food stuffs silvershadow Aug 2013 #59
Does this negate what I am saying for the vast majority of people? Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #65
You are really naiive or ignorant if you think that I am an outlier. I am just lucky that my silvershadow Aug 2013 #69
Given my line of work and education Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #71
Oh, well, then by all means I apologize. Tell me, what are your line of work and education? silvershadow Aug 2013 #80
Only a fool gives out specific personal information on the Netwebs Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #84
I do understand that, as I am educated and worked in public health as well. My point is that your silvershadow Aug 2013 #89
While I am extremely empathetic to your situation Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #91
So is your degree or field nutrition? Is is accompanied by any type of medical degree? Because, silvershadow Aug 2013 #97
Eating beans meal after meal is inexpensive, you're right. BUT how often can a person stand to eat shraby Aug 2013 #107
You're assuming most poor and elderly folks can cook those foods. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #131
By the time I was 14 I was doing most of the cooking for SheilaT Aug 2013 #202
I grew up poor and by 11 was in the same situation as you riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #208
I wonder how you'd like to eat beans day in and day out...... llmart Aug 2013 #137
A bag of beans and a bag of barley. 6 meals for $2 total plus energy and water costs Recursion Aug 2013 #29
While I agree about Ag subsidies Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #30
The other problem for the working poor is that they take time Recursion Aug 2013 #31
The woman in the example is retired. Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #35
lol...... cliffordu Aug 2013 #47
Why are you so wound up about my solutions? Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #75
I'm having steak and lobster bought with food stamps. cliffordu Aug 2013 #78
No one said eating beans 24/7/365 was required Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #81
I love you for this post. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #99
That Rick Shinseki is a helluva fellah! MADem Aug 2013 #175
the woman in the example can only afford to eat free meals at the center Dragonfli Aug 2013 #148
WOW. "Let them eat Beans". bvar22 Aug 2013 #213
Good grief, I have to agree with the people who are giving you a bit of noise. MADem Aug 2013 #174
The only real truth in your posts is the amount of hot air you are spewing... jtuck004 Aug 2013 #138
Well stated! /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #149
I try not to be too mean, but damn. People just don't get how truly hard it is for jtuck004 Aug 2013 #151
+100 heaven05 Aug 2013 #189
Revelation 6:6 Sentath Aug 2013 #54
Most excellent! cliffordu Aug 2013 #115
What a lot of people dont realize is that the poor dont have access to healthy rhett o rick Aug 2013 #120
Those are all great points Recursion Aug 2013 #124
Beans have to be planned for in the diet, especially Ilsa Aug 2013 #33
Beano works Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #36
I guess you don't spend much time around Ilsa Aug 2013 #95
It's a shame I gave a list of other items too Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #105
Your suggestions were fine. It's just that your Ilsa Aug 2013 #123
who heaven05 Aug 2013 #188
Your 'Beano' adds about 25 cents to every single meal on your 'eat beans you old Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #101
I'd give up if I were you. This crowd is simply not going to eat beans. Me, I love 'em. Flatulo Aug 2013 #140
So your handle is "Flatulo" and you love beans. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #178
Haha, good catch. Stay upwind LOL. Flatulo Aug 2013 #190
So gee, asks Granny to herself, "Do I buy my heart medication this month, or the beano?" nt MADem Aug 2013 #176
Fulla *#%t 3auld6phart Aug 2013 #41
Perhaps you could answer a question? Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #44
Or, your Mother. cliffordu Aug 2013 #49
If this is a joke or insult Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #62
Well. We'll just have to wonder, won't we. cliffordu Aug 2013 #64
Not worth it. Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #72
At least Antoinette suggested cake. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #102
They're arguing with you because they believe you're arguing against the woman... Moonwalk Aug 2013 #126
Thank you for a thoughtful reply Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #195
When do you return to Elysium? Paulie Aug 2013 #129
Maybe you should write a letter to the woman in the OP and allow her your suggestions... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #194
Pfft! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #110
I'm laughing out loud at this back-and-forth! No Vested Interest Aug 2013 #141
Sounds Like a GITMO menu plan 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #82
LOL, nice loaded analogy there Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #87
Of course the average benefit on SS is currently $1,230, the $40 difference you Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #103
Try thinking bigger 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #165
No, courts have ruled such a diet to be illegal. jeff47 Aug 2013 #142
If seniors ate that well, there wouldn't be any issue. MADem Aug 2013 #177
I don't know if trolls like beans, you can answer that yourself. DO you like beans? /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #150
You are also looking at a woman of a certain age. ehrnst Aug 2013 #55
IAT, and some older people get food pantry, which is often in that category; and don't have the freshwest Aug 2013 #106
Let 'em eat beans? KamaAina Aug 2013 #63
Do you have a better solution? Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #73
Um, yeah. KamaAina Aug 2013 #90
Do you understand why that cap is in place? Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #92
I guess Rep. Mike Honda doesn't, either KamaAina Aug 2013 #94
Aw, geeze. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #127
Soylent green would probably be cheapest of all, and maybe even most nutritious IrishAyes Aug 2013 #133
If she ate just enough to lose her minor excess weight it wouldn't make much difference in her HiPointDem Aug 2013 #77
Not worried about her weight Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #79
She'd save even more if she got all her protein from Fancy Feast! (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #143
You're talking about my neighbor when I was in university. MADem Aug 2013 #172
When you are poor nothing raises the spirits like eating beans every day Marrah_G Aug 2013 #155
It is a good change of pace from dumpster diving maggot rich meat supplements. Dragonfli Aug 2013 #160
. Marrah_G Aug 2013 #162
You gotta pay the gas or electric to cook them, too, though. MADem Aug 2013 #171
Well then PD Turk Aug 2013 #113
What Obama plan to cut social security? cliffordu Aug 2013 #14
The chained CPI the GOP rejected n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #16
Oh!! THAT cut!!! cliffordu Aug 2013 #20
You're going to have to be more patient. The GOP said Obama's proposal wasn't enough. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #201
He offered nothing in reality. I'd be happier if people here cliffordu Aug 2013 #204
He offered to cut SS with a chained CPI. You should know that. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #206
I fucking well know that. cliffordu Aug 2013 #207
Yup you must have been... Historic NY Aug 2013 #153
Me too. Me too. cliffordu Aug 2013 #169
Cant tell if your insulting ME or not..... cliffordu Aug 2013 #205
No I'm not.. Historic NY Aug 2013 #210
There has been much discussion about asjr Aug 2013 #15
It was Obama's idea leftstreet Aug 2013 #19
Fuck that. It was a political maneuver. cliffordu Aug 2013 #21
It put it on the table. He offered up one of our sacred cows. Not bullshit and not Obama hating. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #23
He KNEW they's back off. cliffordu Aug 2013 #45
"A political maneuver" - i.e. fucking with the welfare of old people reliant on SS. Is that right? MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #40
Goddammit. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. cliffordu Aug 2013 #46
Even with a GOPer admin? leftstreet Aug 2013 #50
NO!!!! IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!! cliffordu Aug 2013 #60
He should put SS on the table. Inoculate that, too leftstreet Aug 2013 #67
WTF. Really? cliffordu Aug 2013 #68
ABSOLUTELY! You convinced me leftstreet Aug 2013 #74
He has nothing to lose. cliffordu Aug 2013 #83
And I'm sorry YOU don't get that Obama wanted Chained CPI. I really am. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #85
Did he tell you this during your private time? cliffordu Aug 2013 #86
He's told everybody publicly. It's in his budget. Again, sorry you don't get that. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #96
Well, I'm sorry I forgot the Prez can just sign an executive order and voila! cliffordu Aug 2013 #117
You keep missing the point -- which is that a DEMOCRATIC president wants to screw with SS. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #163
MY FUCKING GOD cliffordu Aug 2013 #167
When the Bush sign his privatization scam? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #186
Did he tell you in your private conversations he suggested it but was just kidding? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #154
I'm sorry that woman is ignorant (willful or otherwise) as some here. cliffordu Aug 2013 #88
The point is that we have a Democratic president who is even proposing Chained CPI in any way, shape MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #98
“I’m sorry to say that the president of my own party has advocated this and he’s wrong." forestpath Aug 2013 #104
Pfthhh. cliffordu Aug 2013 #118
Charming. So you can't answer the question. forestpath Aug 2013 #144
Hmm.... Was there a question there? cliffordu Aug 2013 #170
They'd have backed off Single Payer, too leftstreet Aug 2013 #48
The lack of the single payer push pissed me off, too. cliffordu Aug 2013 #51
But you're saying CCPI will never pass leftstreet Aug 2013 #57
See 60. cliffordu Aug 2013 #61
You can put it in caps 50 pts high and it still doesn't work like that. forestpath Aug 2013 #108
Fabulous. When the bill passes get back to me. cliffordu Aug 2013 #112
Why bother, you'll just continue to insult the victims. forestpath Aug 2013 #146
Yep. For the lulz cliffordu Aug 2013 #168
Spreading disinformation is acore value for all BHO haters on the right and left. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #18
Tom Harkin is a "BHO hater" ? Really, you actually think that and that he spreads disinformation? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #156
And as everyone forgets, the poorest retirees are not subject to a chained CPI in any plan suggested Recursion Aug 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #27
Your position is that benefits are currently too generous? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #34
Either the Chained CPI is actually more accurate or it isn't Recursion Aug 2013 #37
CCPI: 'I can't afford hamburger, so I'll get Mighty Dog' leftstreet Aug 2013 #70
Yeah, when people lie about programs, they sound bad Recursion Aug 2013 #116
No. I wasn't suggesting you're lying leftstreet Aug 2013 #119
Here's how you can tell it is less accurate: jeff47 Aug 2013 #147
i fully agree with that lady.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #25
I wrote directly to POTUS about it and got Cleita Aug 2013 #39
Trillion$ for wars based on lies... KansDem Aug 2013 #42
They sure are laughing, goddamn it. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #56
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #43
Corporate owned politicians to weeping lady: "Find a way!" MrSlayer Aug 2013 #58
Wall Street types don't give a fuck about people on SS. Rex Aug 2013 #93
Yep - They don't want to end it. They want to privatize it. Faygo Kid Aug 2013 #109
Human capital. Rex Aug 2013 #134
Well then PD Turk Aug 2013 #114
And yet seniors voted for Romney, 56-44. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #122
I bet they have a change of heart now. Rex Aug 2013 #135
Is something like THIS too much to ask from a Democratic President? bvar22 Aug 2013 #130
Since Al From arrived on the scene to succesfuly pull the party to the right of Reagan, yes Dragonfli Aug 2013 #158
I would hope so, Reagan wasn't telling the truth. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #161
Harkin's a good guy, no doubt, but he's wrong on just one thing. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #136
Are you really suggesting Obama lied each of the many times he absolutely publicly endorsed it? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #159
I realize the intent of this post; but … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #139
I sincerely hope you are correct. nt adirondacker Aug 2013 #152
so the leader of the party offering to cut social security actually strengthens the party? Doctor_J Aug 2013 #164
Since the kool-aid has addled my brain; how about ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #181
You're joking....right? bvar22 Aug 2013 #196
Did you not read Harkins' almost perfect response? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #200
Harkin is not an idiot. bvar22 Aug 2013 #209
How can you ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #211
And besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #203
This breaks my heart. Beacool Aug 2013 #166
Agree. Phentex Aug 2013 #198
Hey, but at least we're not worse than Russia.... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #173
Obama's Catfood Commission II, coming soon to jeopardize the 2014 elections. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #179
So when does this take effect? B Calm Aug 2013 #180
When did Bush's privatization scam take effect? Were we wrong to oppose it until it passed? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #192
Here we have the CHEAPEST of ALL the cheap dodges to deflect criticism I have read on DU: bvar22 Aug 2013 #215
While I hear what she is saying I can also hear what the congress is thinking. If she had less SS jwirr Aug 2013 #212
SS is an ENTITLEMENT, bvar22 Aug 2013 #214
Neither do I but that is the thinking in DC. Congress - rethugs do not see it our way and that is jwirr Aug 2013 #216
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