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Wed Aug 7, 2013, 11:34 PM

duffyduff (3,251 posts)

458. Baloney

Easy to say this nonsense nearly 70 years after the fact.

I hate revisionism. It has no bearing on reality.

What drivel.

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Hiroshima - quit lying to yourselves [View all]	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	OP
My dad was a Marine slated to be in the first wave of the invasion force.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#1
I forgot...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#5
Yes, my dad's life was worth more than a nation that was trying it's best	tumtum	Aug 2013	#14
There are no warlike people...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#23
Every one of those so called civilians were being trained to resist the invasion	tumtum	Aug 2013	#45
Whatever it takes for you to justify the nuclear incineration of a million people, I guess	Scootaloo	Aug 2013	#353
By your standard the Nazis in 1945 were defending their homeland.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#368
We're not talking about invading a country or changing a regime.	Scootaloo	Aug 2013	#438
If we had not removed their gov't, we would have fought them again in 20 years.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#453
They were being trained to kill invading soldiers... That just doesn't sound as blood-thirsty and	Ed Suspicious	Aug 2013	#356
Those civilians fully supported the war effort and willingly sent their sons off to kill innocents	hack89	Aug 2013	#81
Women and children are innocent bystanders, civilized people do not kill women and children	Dragonfli	Aug 2013	#150
Isn't it time to let someone else wear the hair shirt? nt	hack89	Aug 2013	#163
Isn't it time to admit that the lives of children are worth less to you than a side order of fries?	Dragonfli	Aug 2013	#166
I don't believe that. nt	hack89	Aug 2013	#174
You certainly appear to. /nt	Dragonfli	Aug 2013	#181
Calling people psychopath and sociopaths is against the TOS	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#352
really? Unlike our people, who didn't support our troops?	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#239
The Japanese were within their rights to attack the American mainland	hack89	Aug 2013	#268
Were they within their rights to bomb Pearl Harbor?	Bake	Aug 2013	#289
No - that was unprovoked aggression	hack89	Aug 2013	#293
Actually, it wasn't unprovoked aggression.	ET Awful	Aug 2013	#376
And the sanctions were in response to Japanese aggression in China	hack89	Aug 2013	#381
Sure, but my analogy still stands. . .	ET Awful	Aug 2013	#382
So did and do we	Politicalboi	Aug 2013	#455
Any other way would have led to more civilian deaths	hack89	Aug 2013	#459
Do you say the same about Obamas war crimes?	rl6214	Aug 2013	#221
You have no idea the militarism and regimentation conditioned upon the Japanese citizens under	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#371
So, women and children were fair game. Got it.	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#442
Nanjing. Unit 731. The Japanese people supported these.	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#450
so I guess you won't bother to read my response after you grossly misinterpret my post	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#461
Your attitude that the A-bomb was wrong because it killed women and children. . .that's where	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#463
I understand your POV	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#470
sometimes when taking the high road your legs get cut off at the feet	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#471
I think Jesus said that in one of the parables: "Stop genocide by killing twice as many of them"	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#477
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#464
I get your point but if we hadnt goaded the japanese into war we wouldnt have needed to bomb them	boomer55	Aug 2013	#98
"Goaded them into war"?	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2013	#130
It is much more complicated than that. There are lots of reasons to think FDR wanted the Japanese	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#241
Unless the Allied powers turned back the Axis	One_Life_To_Give	Aug 2013	#329
Pull out your Crystal Ball then and tell us what FDR was thinking	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#457
I like your tagline and I think it should be used in this case.	boomer55	Aug 2013	#290
It's not really much more complicated than that.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2013	#334
imagine if we had guys like these running the show during WWII...	dionysus	Aug 2013	#318
Hiroshima was a mistake, but	DonCoquixote	Aug 2013	#212
The Third Reich had been defeated months before the bombs dropped.	Ken Burch	Aug 2013	#299
they still killed 22 Million Chinese	DonCoquixote	Aug 2013	#362
The Japanese war machine did do that.	Ken Burch	Aug 2013	#437
Try this book.	oneshooter	Aug 2013	#466
I understand, better to kill thousands of women and children civilians than risk your soldier dad.	Dragonfli	Aug 2013	#142
Hey, you're free to think whatever you want of me.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#154
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2013	#161
As I said, you're free to think whatever you want of me,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#167
My dad was also a Marine preparing for the invasion of Japan. Casualty estimates were high.	Dollface	Aug 2013	#238
"Stimson estimated that conquering Japan would cost ... five to ten million Japanese fatalities."	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2013	#417
This type of over the top rhetoric	COLGATE4	Aug 2013	#190
Rejected. Your uh dad needs a better lawyer. "Is mother proud of little boy today?" n/t	Catherina	Aug 2013	#194
Both my father and mother are gone, but thanks for the insult.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#200
My Dad is 91 and a veteran of Normandy and...	meaculpa2011	Aug 2013	#372
It's not a matter of one life....	cab67	Aug 2013	#211
That assumes we had to invade to end the war.	Sirveri	Aug 2013	#360
I'm not entirely sure that's true.	cab67	Aug 2013	#365
The Japanese still had lots to defend the home islands with.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#377
Correct, the blockade was the alternative.	Sirveri	Aug 2013	#433
Starvation would have killed millions. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#452
So starving hundreds of thousands to death was the moral alternative to the atomic bombs?	hack89	Aug 2013	#460
I don't know, because we didn't go that route.	Sirveri	Aug 2013	#465
As a small side note:	oneshooter	Aug 2013	#448
As a small side note:	oneshooter	Aug 2013	#449
No, but it wasn't quite that simple	MJ66	Aug 2013	#217
"Murica"	rl6214	Aug 2013	#219
Why would it have been better to kill more of them conventionally? n/t	Gore1FL	Aug 2013	#375
You don't know what you're talking about.	Grins	Aug 2013	#412
Same here	liberal N proud	Aug 2013	#35
That is still not justification for what was done	Marrah_G	Aug 2013	#94
Your appeal falls on deaf ears, the lives of thousands of women and children mean less	Dragonfli	Aug 2013	#178
The morality of any war is decided by the victors.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#205
History is what it is. Once we knew the bomb worked this "invasion force" became a bluff...	hunter	Aug 2013	#101
Thousands of troops weren't sent steaming toward Japan for a "bluff".	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#262
The entire military apparatus was not appraised of the situation.	hunter	Aug 2013	#297
"only then would U.S. troops take the Japanese mainland"	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#315
Nevertheless, Japan did surrender.	hunter	Aug 2013	#324
I'm sorry that isn't even plausible.	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#326
Operation Downfall is not a myth and yes Virginia it would have cost may more lives	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#348
See this post... I agree with it.	hunter	Aug 2013	#357
I do realize the scale and intensity of the Manhattan project	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#400
False movie drama...	hunter	Aug 2013	#439
It was immense at the time because we had spent 5 years building it up	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#440
Yes, we had plans to invade Japan in a horrible battle.	hunter	Aug 2013	#443
I've got to agree	Yo_Mama	Aug 2013	#105
Well put	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#469
Not true. My mom was there.	tblue	Aug 2013	#110
Sounds more like an irrational emotional response than a cogent argument	whatchamacallit	Aug 2013	#122
Irrational to you,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#125
The Japanese were already discussing terms of surrender	jberryhill	Aug 2013	#131
You are badly misinformed.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#195
Nope.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#305
Yup, same as my husband's father. They were warned THREE times, for fuck's sake.	whathehell	Aug 2013	#145
Very true	BobbyBoring	Aug 2013	#209
Uh, dude? You need to read your own quote more closely.	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#214
You're right, my dad was being sent to be in the first stage invasion too.	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#218
I know my grandpa worked on one of the planes that dropped it	PatrynXX	Aug 2013	#244
I'm sure there's quite a few of us here who wouldn't be were it not for those bombs	independentpiney	Aug 2013	#301
Did you actually read the quote? Specifically sentence #2?	WinkyDink	Aug 2013	#339
They weren't ready to surrender until the 2nd bomb was exploded,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#341
EXACTLY!!!	SkyDaddy7	Aug 2013	#366
Another one here	beemer27	Aug 2013	#367
The A-Bombs were a message to the Soviets.	rdharma	Aug 2013	#476
And...we're off!	Brickbat	Aug 2013	#2
In more ways than one.	Dr. Strange	Aug 2013	#3
Vegas odds, anybody? nt	MrScorpio	Aug 2013	#25
Wow, 2nd response now 4th from the last of over 350	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#369
my grandfather would have been on the ships for the invasion, after they	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#4
I don't have to justify anything	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#6
Then this post wasn't for you.	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#8
Than by all means post	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#13
If you don't cry over Hiroshima...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#18
Because "you" say so?	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#42
+1000.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#51
+1 000 000 000	kestrel91316	Aug 2013	#82
"I'll save my tears for those who didn't attack us and those families decimated by the Axis powers".	whathehell	Aug 2013	#153
Agreed.	closeupready	Aug 2013	#185
Another + 100,000.	COLGATE4	Aug 2013	#196
You want to feel self righteous by having a guilt trip over it, go ahead.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#203
I think you meant to answer someone else	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#208
OOPS. Sorry. In long threads like this I sometimes respond to the wrong one.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#235
No Man is an Island	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#226
Is this satire?	LordGlenconner	Aug 2013	#71
Go look it up. Didn't you take history in school?	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#309
Irrational Revisionism... we dropped the bomb. Get over it.	DontTreadOnMe	Aug 2013	#398
As long as you won't justify the killing of my 14 relatives at pearl harbor.	William769	Aug 2013	#7
Wait...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#11
Japan aligned themselves with Hitler	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#17
You're justifying Pearl Harbor? I call troll. nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#24
I can justify...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#26
"preventative military strike" = troll nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2013	#30
Lol, I thought I = American policy.	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#39
Was the incineration of Tokyo smaller, or just not a 'terrorist act'?	cthulu2016	Aug 2013	#47
And Dresden.	truebluegreen	Aug 2013	#128
So your idea of justifying nuclear annihilation of cities...	JackRiddler	Aug 2013	#364
The largest single terrorist act in human history?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#61
Here's what I believe...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#74
NO.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#78
Which fact is wrong? Bombing the hell out of Japan was meant to terrorize them.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#164
How about the rape of Nanking? Over 300,000 murdered by the Japanese,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#175
No. Terrorism and extermination are not the same thing. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#258
Did...	Lancero	Aug 2013	#302
Still no. The extermination of the Jews was meant to exterminate them, not scare them.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#338
The climate	Lancero	Aug 2013	#342
wrong spot. nt	Javaman	Aug 2013	#385
You're grasp of history of that time is just appalling	Javaman	Aug 2013	#386
The only thing that's appalling is your ability to read and comprehend. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#395
Oh what a clever retort.	Javaman	Aug 2013	#397
Wasn't being clever, just honest and factual.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#434
Gassing the hell out of innocent people. nt	William769	Aug 2013	#343
Can't be terrorized when you're already dead. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#379
Holy cow!	Javaman	Aug 2013	#388
No, if we wanted terror we'd have just kept with the firebombings	jeff47	Aug 2013	#346
So you are really referring to the fire bombing of Tokyo 9 March 1945	hack89	Aug 2013	#96
I guess you never learned about Temujin.	hobbit709	Aug 2013	#97
Hah.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2013	#144
I love how you guys	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#149
"greatest terrorist act in history"...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2013	#156
I said single greatest...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#159
Plus, those weren't "terrorist" acts. They weren't meant to scare anyone. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#168
You really believe that the use of atomic weapons wasn't meant to scare anyone?	ET Awful	Aug 2013	#378
You need to learn to read. My argument is that using atomic bombs WAS meant to terrorize.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#380
You need to keep your snark in check.	ET Awful	Aug 2013	#383
You're right. It's my fault. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#384
No?	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2013	#170
You're quite free to leave, nobody's forcing you to post here.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#160
Well that does explain it.	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#165
Yep. Seems to ultimately be the argument by many on this topic. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#169
As opposed to yours and his arguments?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#180
Correct. I'm against killing anyone that's innocent. You, apparantely, are okay with it. n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#259
For me it does, and that's all that matters,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#171
I respect your feelings...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#182
Really? We are, we don't	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#191
Really?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#207
Wrong Again	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#222
It seems like you can't see the difference between soldier and innocent civilian.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#261
If you have civilians ready to kill you, then no,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#275
Finally. Why didn't you say that a long time ago. 'During wartime, killing civilians is fine.'	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#279
Why should it have to have been said?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#282
Stopping further atrocities is not terrorizing	rl6214	Aug 2013	#317
You are sort of correct.	Jenoch	Aug 2013	#224
It was a mass killing of mostly civilians.	godai	Aug 2013	#403
I love this revisionist history	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#70
+1	AngryOldDem	Aug 2013	#124
It wasn't even the deadliest attack in WWII, much less history. nt	hack89	Aug 2013	#85
LOL, "preventative" strike. Get your terms straight. Then we'll talk. nt	DevonRex	Aug 2013	#257
here's a shovel, keep digging...	dionysus	Aug 2013	#320
+ fucking 1	Dr. Strange	Aug 2013	#12
A. Fucking. Men. William769. You rock.	closeupready	Aug 2013	#188
Could have been different	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#9
Wahahahahaha! They'd been talking surrender for MONTHS!	Th1onein	Aug 2013	#248
Read the original Post from Phillyindie	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#260
Crickets	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#272
You forgot the "I'm kidding" smilie	cliffordu	Aug 2013	#10
Please enlightened me...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#15
I don't think you are ready to hear this but estimates are that as many as 1 million U.S.	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#29
Japanese were talking surrender	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#41
There were no official or formal peace negotiations going on, I'm sorry	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#54
because talking about something is the SAME THING as doing it, right?	GalaxyHunter	Aug 2013	#59
And while "talking surrender" they were MASSIVELY FORTIFYING Kyushu. For nothing???	Waiting For Everyman	Aug 2013	#298
Don't bring in MacArthur.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#64
MacArthur was supreme Allied commander of Pacific forces. Without the decision to use	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#77
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#227
Truman was president both times. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#240
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#247
Right it was all political.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#312
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#328
Ike's comments were extremely political	jeff47	Aug 2013	#345
No his comments were in 1945.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#347
Sorry, no.	jeff47	Aug 2013	#393
And there were hundreds of people alive then who would know the truth.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#394
Because as I said above	jeff47	Aug 2013	#396
The Japanese were getting ready to surrender.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#401
Japanese Emperor Hirohito disagrees with your revisionism.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#411
Yeah i guess Eisenhower, MacArthur were idiots.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#413
Hirohito was the one who did the surrendering.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#418
Except he did not surrender.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#424
Hirohito DID do the surrendering	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#427
Nice try at re-writing history.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#432
The Soviets were no threat to Japan.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#451
Silly	ProfessorGAC	Aug 2013	#55
I didn't realize...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#80
Hiroshima bombing	yeoman6987	Aug 2013	#202
The Japanese alliance with the Nazis was sufficient for that, and it ENDED the war.	kestrel91316	Aug 2013	#93
No it did not end the war.	former9thward	Aug 2013	#314
Total war is so far removed from current human memory...	SidDithers	Aug 2013	#16
Funny you don't mention that the first two cities to be firebombed were	William769	Aug 2013	#28
We bombed Coventry and London?	zipplewrath	Aug 2013	#58
Are you serious?	William769	Aug 2013	#69
Are you?	zipplewrath	Aug 2013	#79
Because the two are related.	William769	Aug 2013	#83
Ha	zipplewrath	Aug 2013	#99
I was trying to think of British cities too...	SidDithers	Aug 2013	#179
war is hell, Rape of Nanking: 1937-1938 300,000 Deaths	Baclava	Aug 2013	#19
Uh huh, and America's response was...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#27
What do you suppose started the US-Japan war?	cthulu2016	Aug 2013	#44
The economic sanctions that led to Pearl Harbor. nt	hack89	Aug 2013	#86
i've scheduled it for tomorrow's 'two minutes guilt'	markiv	Aug 2013	#20
I hold you personally responsible for the Battle of Gettysburg.	Orrex	Aug 2013	#37
and i'm holding YOU responsible for any debauchery that may or may	markiv	Aug 2013	#40
I was young. I needed the money.	Orrex	Aug 2013	#49
lol nt	markiv	Aug 2013	#65
Oh, is it one of the DU Street Cred Development Days again?	Dreamer Tatum	Aug 2013	#21
So I guess Iraqi...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#34
Fail. Pathetic. nt	Dreamer Tatum	Aug 2013	#38
Can't see your hypocrisy, can you.	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#62
Hypocrisy?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#76
I'm rubber, you're glue	Wednesdays	Aug 2013	#118
Why are you attacking this guy?	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#284
Thanks to the Israelis	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#48
Iraq	yeoman6987	Aug 2013	#215
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#267
Iraq	yeoman6987	Aug 2013	#344
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#391
The "highjackers" were Arab and Saddam had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.	Mnemosyne	Aug 2013	#349
Victors get to try the losers for war crimes.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#230
Himmler committed suicide when his disguise was discovered.	ryan_cats	Aug 2013	#414
OK. Thanks. Substitute some other high Nazi that was hanged. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#419
Not enough unfortunately.	ryan_cats	Aug 2013	#475
Of all the various cruelties of Imperial Japan, its enslavement of Korean women	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#66
You can look at ghosts in the rear view mirror all you want.	cherokeeprogressive	Aug 2013	#22
I only wish it could have been done sooner.	The Link	Aug 2013	#31
Like, in 1861?	Wednesdays	Aug 2013	#120
A wide factual understanding of the history of strategic bombing and	cthulu2016	Aug 2013	#32
really?	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#232
A successful 60+ year Godzilla franchise is all the justification I need	Orrex	Aug 2013	#33
Although the Godzilla film with Matthew Broderick...	Dr. Strange	Aug 2013	#50
That film does not exist.	Orrex	Aug 2013	#53
That was a crime. I ended up rooting for Godzilla, a comet, anything to kill those wretched actors!	freshwest	Aug 2013	#333
You must watch pacific rim	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#75
Won't get to see it on the big screen, alas	Orrex	Aug 2013	#103
We did...for some odd reason it was a hit in Japan	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#106
Good film? My grandsons are itching to see it, hopefully at the local drivein!	Mnemosyne	Aug 2013	#351
That is perfect for a drive in	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#355
Thanks nadin. They are 12 & 13, perfect for that age group then, but sounds very loud going by the	Mnemosyne	Aug 2013	#358
It is a tad loud	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#359
I watch the genre with the two oldest grandsons. Their reactions and comments are hysterical.	Mnemosyne	Aug 2013	#472
Get them the seven samurai by Kurosawa	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#473
We recently watched The Sorcerer and the White Snake, awesome film! I will hunt down Kurosawa's	Mnemosyne	Aug 2013	#474
You're right. War, especially war against civilians, is always immoral.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#36
Splittin' Hairs	zipplewrath	Aug 2013	#63
Splitting hairs????	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#68
So what were all the innocent Chinese and other Asians the Japanese butchered, tortured to death, an	kestrel91316	Aug 2013	#100
No....	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#111
No idea what you're trying to	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#206
In total war, there are no civilians. Everyone is a target. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#255
OMG. What the fuck is "total war"? n/t	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#264
World War Two was such a war.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#283
You sure you're in the right place? War is war. I don't give shit how big or how nice.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#287
"Total war" means...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#288
And it's simply not possible to make war without civilian casualties.	Orsino	Aug 2013	#158
What war has never involved civilians ?	lumpy	Aug 2013	#304
Some truth ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#43
And it was the only option?	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#88
No; merely the best option ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#119
'drop a nuke on one of Japan's many uninhabited islands as a warning'	markiv	Aug 2013	#46
They considered that	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#89
Very true ... plus ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#134
Very true	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#137
What the heck prompted this thread anyway?	Skidmore	Aug 2013	#52
Check your calendar	Orrex	Aug 2013	#56
This message was self-deleted by its author	Junkdrawer	Aug 2013	#114
The bombung of Hiroshima was all about sending a message to the world, we are the World's number one	JRLeft	Aug 2013	#57
The Japanese were NOT talking about surrender.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#60
My father was in the Pacific during all that time and as I asked, he explained.	freshwest	Aug 2013	#147
Thank you, I had forgotten that interview.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#197
Yes they were, target New York	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#249
Factually incorrect post. The Japanese were NOTtalking surrender.	TeamPooka	Aug 2013	#67
Simple question then...what IS justified?	brooklynite	Aug 2013	#72
That is it, isn't it? I asked upthread what the OP would have had Truman	HardTimes99	Aug 2013	#102
Apparently people are OK with killing innocent civilians.	RedCappedBandit	Aug 2013	#73
Those weren't innocent civilians.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#87
If they were willing to have their population annihilated, why didn't they?	RedCappedBandit	Aug 2013	#95
Right on.	RebelOne	Aug 2013	#126
Do you know how silly that sounds? Of course they would defend themselves against an invading	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#152
Yes they were.	godai	Aug 2013	#405
No, they weren't.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#409
If you're so convinced, why the anger?	godai	Aug 2013	#415
I'm not angry,	tumtum	Aug 2013	#420
You sound angry.	godai	Aug 2013	#422
Not angry, disgusted.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#423
So, are you just as disgusted at the Germans?	godai	Aug 2013	#426
So you admit that the Japanese murdered/killed/slaughtered millions of civilians?	tumtum	Aug 2013	#428
We were not in a 'fight for our lives and survival' on August 6, 1945. Japan had lost the war. n/t	godai	Aug 2013	#429
I'm talking about the totality of WWII.	tumtum	Aug 2013	#430
This message was self-deleted by its author	godai	Aug 2013	#431
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#425
Innocent civilians have been killed for as long as war has existed. We didn't start the trend.	kestrel91316	Aug 2013	#108
Interesting.	RedCappedBandit	Aug 2013	#115
Innocent?	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#132
So you're guilty of Bush's war crimes?	RedCappedBandit	Aug 2013	#140
Boy that was Predictable	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#143
So because we failed to stop Bush, the victims of his crimes	RedCappedBandit	Aug 2013	#155
That's EXACTLY what they are saying.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#157
They already think that	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#176
The Japanese were certainly OK with it nt	treestar	Aug 2013	#201
I just wish that we had been in a position to nuke Berlin a few years earlier.	Nye Bevan	Aug 2013	#84
How's that comfy armchair?	Sotf	Aug 2013	#90
Geez, read a few of these threads	Hydra	Aug 2013	#91
Welcome to the club of "Blame America First, Last and Always".	MicaelS	Aug 2013	#92
True	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2013	#116
One of the many from people who were there.	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#104
So what is your point? You just cherry pick one event and think yourself a genius?	Rex	Aug 2013	#107
One could argue that the dropping of the bomb saved a million Japanese lives	Vinnie From Indy	Aug 2013	#109
If you discount the testimony of Smedley Butler then all is justifiable	think	Aug 2013	#112
Os, so it was the United States fault Japan invaded China	MicaelS	Aug 2013	#123
This is a quote from one of the most decorated Marines of our times	think	Aug 2013	#127
Yes uncalled for and I think said poster doesn't know what	Rex	Aug 2013	#146
US historical involvement in war is complex and mostly unknown	think	Aug 2013	#173
I agree, we never went in-depth into war when I was teaching	Rex	Aug 2013	#184
More on US Japanese relations pre WW2	think	Aug 2013	#151
War	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2013	#113
Everybody sing: "We've done it before and we will do it again"	Junkdrawer	Aug 2013	#117
+1,000	malaise	Aug 2013	#121
Pure and ignorant ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#129
Whatever	malaise	Aug 2013	#135
Terrorism ... it was ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#138
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#133
Horrible thing to be sure. Justifisble? A debatable point. Thankful someone made	geckosfeet	Aug 2013	#136
Yes; justifiable ...	Koios	Aug 2013	#141
It was terrorism. Plain and simple. There is no justification for deliberetaly bombing civilians.	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#139
I have never lied to myself about Hiroshima,	LWolf	Aug 2013	#148
yup nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2013	#162
We do not have the right to judge certain historical events	perdita9	Aug 2013	#172
Wow. did I miss a meeting or something?	eggplant	Aug 2013	#177
No.	Richardo	Aug 2013	#213
I can't decide who is trolling whom.	eggplant	Aug 2013	#322
Happens every year at the anniversary of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. n/t	godai	Aug 2013	#407
I've been a member for ages, but this is the first time I've seen this level of crazy about this.	eggplant	Aug 2013	#410
To the people on the ground, which was worse	hobbit709	Aug 2013	#183
Truman had to consider	JaneFordA	Aug 2013	#186
My grandfather survived the bataan death march	iandhr	Aug 2013	#187
Wouldn't that be like taking out a gun but not shooting to kill?	treestar	Aug 2013	#189
You have the use of guns confused.	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2013	#273
Agreed	Mr Dixon	Aug 2013	#192
C'mon Libs	adicortez	Aug 2013	#193
Scary that most here...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#198
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#199
Www.humanevents.com. Enjoy.	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#204
Uh - no	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#220
I recommended that site...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#228
While I'm thoroughly disgusted by you	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#256
Please...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#266
For Heaven's sake	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#271
Lol, for someone with no guilt...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#274
Do you really think this is new?	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#281
Yep...American historians are...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#286
But, Iraq was different.	Dawgs	Aug 2013	#291
That you can compare the two	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#295
The only thing I compared...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#300
Yawn	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#316
One hardly needs...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#319
60 years later	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#321
In 50 years it will still be part of the record	treestar	Aug 2013	#332
We were dragged kicking and screaming into WWI and WWII	treestar	Aug 2013	#331
Far more died	sabbat hunter	Aug 2013	#210
IIRC, didn't the US firebombs kill lots more people?	MynameisBlarney	Aug 2013	#216
yes, the firebombing of Tokyo killed a lot more people	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#229
"There was mostly evil intent in all those bombings including the atomic bombings..."	EX500rider	Aug 2013	#306
I know it was war, and a nasty one at that. But those bombings were malicious and cruel beyond	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#444
"But those bombings were malicious and cruel beyond normal rules of war."	EX500rider	Aug 2013	#462
They had warning	shawn703	Aug 2013	#223
What the leaflets we dropped on them said:	EX500rider	Aug 2013	#308
Comments here are truly...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#225
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#231
I think we've found something	treestar	Aug 2013	#251
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#278
Lol, apes with iphones	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#292
No, it says far more about you.	Zoeisright	Aug 2013	#336
Lol, ok "Zoe is right". Haha	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#337
Nobody here's thrilled to have dropped the bombs	NuclearDem	Aug 2013	#233
Thank you.	MynameisBlarney	Aug 2013	#246
No it is not.	RedSpartan	Aug 2013	#234
I will place my masters in history	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2013	#236
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#237
I prefer "aPes with iPhones."	Orrex	Aug 2013	#254
No one APPLAUDS them, and your use of that word excuses you from any serious conversation.	Dreamer Tatum	Aug 2013	#250
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#296
When you're trying to troll, you need to be careful	jeff47	Aug 2013	#310
I'll never forget learning about	LittleGirl	Aug 2013	#242
Mina no tame no inori	AsahinaKimi	Aug 2013	#243
Thank you. That is a beautiful sentiment.	think	Aug 2013	#269
You are welcome	AsahinaKimi	Aug 2013	#270
Very lovely. Sometimes the innocence of children	think	Aug 2013	#294
I was going to ignore this post initially because it seemed kind of obvious	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#245
It's been a real...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#252
I know what you mean... there are good people here but	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#445
Side bar about your picture...	GalaxyHunter	Aug 2013	#253
It was more about peace and not making war	NoMoreWarNow	Aug 2013	#446
So you'd choose the option that would kill 10-50M instead?	jeff47	Aug 2013	#311
Thanks for posting this, Phillyindy.	darkangel218	Aug 2013	#263
You may not be aware of a few things	wercal	Aug 2013	#265
What are your thoughts on the firebombing of Tokyo?	Socal31	Aug 2013	#276
Take an enema, it will help with the backlog of your sanctimonious crap.	branford	Aug 2013	#277
from a wider perspective (wider even than the facts that the USSR took Manchuria in 11 DAYS	MisterP	Aug 2013	#280
Quarterback all you want Japan was a war culture...	Historic NY	Aug 2013	#285
Thank you for taking a stand for morality	jimlup	Aug 2013	#303
Convenient and far too simple.	branford	Aug 2013	#307
You are just attacking me.	jimlup	Aug 2013	#313
If you believe the decision to drop the bombs was simple,	branford	Aug 2013	#327
What the hell difference does it make if it's 1 bomb killing 100,000 people...	Richardo	Aug 2013	#330
Is war immoral under all circumstances? nt	nyquil_man	Aug 2013	#335
It's easy to...	Phillyindy	Aug 2013	#323
I'm not. That's the point.	branford	Aug 2013	#325
I don't disagree with your point, but it does demonstrate a level of naiveté that	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#340
By starting a new thread to play armchair historian you are kidding yourself	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#350
My only complaint all along is that they chose non military targets	Warpy	Aug 2013	#354
It's inarguable that innocent people died. It's also inarguable that absolutely guilty people died.	Gravitycollapse	Aug 2013	#361
So incinerating hundreds of thousands of innocent women, children and babies in Tokyo was ok?	DCBob	Aug 2013	#363
Nanking. . .quit lying to yourselves.	Nanjing to Seoul	Aug 2013	#370
Gotta' love these 21st Century Quarterbacks -	lynne	Aug 2013	#373
I'm of two minds about this	DemocratSinceBirth	Aug 2013	#374
Thanks for the post. Funny how this debate has suffered the OJ trial phenomenon...	rwsanders	Aug 2013	#387
American politicians are elected to protect and save American lives.	branford	Aug 2013	#390
I don't see that in the constituion and that is in direct contradiction to the principals set forth	rwsanders	Aug 2013	#435
I believe the atomic bombing were both horrific as well as necessary and correct.	branford	Aug 2013	#436
I believe more in Kirk's answer to the Kobayashi Maru, always another option, but in context	rwsanders	Aug 2013	#441
In the 1980s I got to know a pilot who was Japanese POW in WW II	Botany	Aug 2013	#389
I'm speculating here ... not trying to justify nor to discern motive:	Martin Eden	Aug 2013	#392
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2013	#399
Funny How	Mr.CT	Aug 2013	#402
Oh boy, WW2 talk...	iamthebandfanman	Aug 2013	#404
it was a terrorist act, plain and simple	stupidicus	Aug 2013	#406
Speaking of apologies...	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2013	#408
Hiroshima Peace Museum	godai	Aug 2013	#416
We should thank Japan...	ryan_cats	Aug 2013	#421
war is never justified	quaker bill	Aug 2013	#447
Imagine how many lives would have been saved if...	yawnmaster	Aug 2013	#454
rec.	SammyWinstonJack	Aug 2013	#456
Baloney	duffyduff	Aug 2013	#458
It's well-established that the Japanese were ready to surrender...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Aug 2013	#468
Read this book.	oneshooter	Aug 2013	#467

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