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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Wait
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 10:28 PM
Aug 2013
UPDATE: Add the IRS to the list of federal agencies obtaining information from NSA surveillance. Reuters reports that the IRS got intelligence tips from DEA's secret unit (SOD) and were also told to cover up the source of that information by coming up with their own independent leads to recreate the information obtained from SOD. So that makes two levels of deception: SOD hiding the fact it got intelligence from the NSA and the IRS hiding the fact it got information from SOD. Even worse, there's a suggestion that the Justice Department (DOJ) "closely guards the information provided by SOD with strict oversight," shedding doubt into the effectiveness of DOJ earlier announced efforts to investigate the program.


...how exactly is information from 2005 to 2007 relevant to the current DOJ announcement?

From the Reuters report:

A 350-word entry in the Internal Revenue Manual instructed agents of the U.S. tax agency to omit any reference to tips supplied by the DEA's Special Operations Division, especially from affidavits, court proceedings or investigative files. The entry was published and posted online in 2005 and 2006, and was removed in early 2007. The IRS is among two dozen arms of the government working with the Special Operations Division, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.

An IRS spokesman had no comment on the entry or on why it was removed from the manual. Reuters recovered the previous editions from the archives of the Westlaw legal database, which is owned by Thomson Reuters Corp, the parent of this news agency.

Are they trying to confuse people by conflating stuff that happened during the Bush years with actions taken by the current adminstration?
Wait ProSense Aug 2013 #1
So if any of this happened after 2008, you are against it, right? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #2
There is that "if" ProSense Aug 2013 #3
I see once again you cannot answer a simple question. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #7
What does it matter when it started? It's still going on!!!!! dkf Aug 2013 #6
The info was pulled in 2007, and you ProSense Aug 2013 #8
SOD is still in use today and is reviewed annually. dkf Aug 2013 #9
"They declined to provide Reuters with a copy of their most recent review." ProSense Aug 2013 #10
Well you seem to think its old news and is no longer going on or something. dkf Aug 2013 #11
I notice that your interlocator has moved on, and didn't answer the question. leveymg Aug 2013 #12
Must be hard to live with all the dissonance. dkf Aug 2013 #13
It's a strain on the psyche to be a True-Believer or a True-Fan----. leveymg Aug 2013 #16
It's a 2005 document pulled in 2007. Pointing to a non-response ProSense Aug 2013 #14
From two current DEA officials: dkf Aug 2013 #15
Thanx for that. Helps if you read the article, instead of just posting for effect. leveymg Aug 2013 #17
You keep posting from the same article ProSense Aug 2013 #19
Whoa are you asserting the entire Federal justice system is informing all defendants when FAA info dkf Aug 2013 #20
LOL! So now you decide to dismiss the point? ProSense Aug 2013 #21
I am not aware of a single case where it has been cited. When the first incidence pops up... dkf Aug 2013 #22
Who doesn't want their intelligence all nice and squeaky clean? n/t Fumesucker Aug 2013 #4
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #5
K & R GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #18
K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #23
This is the type of behavior we used to use woo me with science Aug 2013 #24
This is what totalitarian states do. woo me with science Aug 2013 #25
That's the best description of it Recursion Aug 2013 #26
kick woo me with science Aug 2013 #27
This kind of stuff is done on the local level too Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #28
You hit it on the head...A true anonymous tip is a legitimate tool. dkf Aug 2013 #29
knr cui bono Jan 2014 #30
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