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57. +1 Thank you. nt

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I still haven't seen any evidence of the NSA spying on Americans. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

Whew. That's a relief. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #1

So you don't need evidence before making judgments? tridim Aug 2013 #2

Judgments? If the poster says she hasn't seen any evidence of NSA spying, why isn't that good enough AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #3

So, I was chewing on my lip... Wait Wut Aug 2013 #4

I don't need the likes of you telling me how to make judgments, that's for sure. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #106

"I still haven't seen any evidence of the NSA spying on Americans" Bay Boy Aug 2013 #5

It means one needs to prove NSA is spying on Americans Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #27

It's not the stuff you know, it's the unknown you should be paranoid about! DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #6

ROFLMAO Coyotl Aug 2013 #74

and if that evidence was posted here, the poster would have to flee to russia lol nt msongs Aug 2013 #7

Wha... WHA!!?!?!! You DOUBT Limbaugh, SNOWDEN, Greenwald, Some Random Guy on a blog!!?!?!?!?! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #8

You would think at least one person would come forward and claim harassment JaneyVee Aug 2013 #9

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/nsa-surveillance-order-explained-aclu Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #10

"regularly tracking" and "potentially" in the same sentence is rather odd phrasing. randome Aug 2013 #14

nobody is seriously contesting that the government hasn't been engaged Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #23

Obama is lying. He isn't "serious." ProSense Aug 2013 #25

GD needs evidence? madokie Aug 2013 #40

It's tabu ProSense Aug 2013 #46

He isn't. He's just going through the talking points on this. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #53

Every time I ask for evidence, I am told, basically, that it's out there. randome Aug 2013 #59

Could and actually are doing are 2 different things altogether. When I worked in law enforcement I appleannie1 Aug 2013 #129

It's called "doublespeak" ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #81

That's the metadata program jeff47 Aug 2013 #128

The problem with the ACLU's argument is that it has been tossed out of court Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #143

That just gets them in front of a judge jeff47 Aug 2013 #149

That remains to be seen. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #155

lol. and you won't. Even if you were presented with irrefutable information cali Aug 2013 #11

+1000 cali LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #18

+1000. What utter Nonsense. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #58

"if" ProSense Aug 2013 #19

"if" = she hasn't been presented with evidence...but who gives a shit about facts? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #49

From the person who said LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #54

You nailed the words, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #89

I'm sure evidence will be acceptable, hughee99 Aug 2013 #93

Well, then Team Democrat won't be responsible! NuclearDem Aug 2013 #156

The government itself TOLD US ALL that they ARE spying on us but that is not enough for the OP KurtNYC Aug 2013 #95

Except not so much. jeff47 Aug 2013 #131

Yet you keep not quite providing such evidence jeff47 Aug 2013 #130

You're not supposed to see the evidence PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #12

Post proves nothing creon Aug 2013 #31

You don't understand spying? PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #35

By that reasoning, you're always being spied on no matter what Silent3 Aug 2013 #76

Wait we aren't always being spied on? Egnever Aug 2013 #159

Call the ACLU and tell them they are worried for nothing Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #13

You call them. ProSense Aug 2013 #21

I am not the one denying all the information leaked about multiple programs Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #29

Read Obama's Lips: There's No Spying On Americans! leftstreet Aug 2013 #15

Are you just being sarcastic?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #37

Funny thing about "not seeing evidence" . . . LumosMaxima Aug 2013 #16

And thus PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #17

Please share if your looking at it Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #38

Ok, post it. jeff47 Aug 2013 #132

LOL, you are a piece of work! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #20

"Well, not intentionally..." DNI Clapper kentuck Aug 2013 #22

Call Congress right now!1!!1! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #24

They are collecting and storing our data communications without warrant or probable cause davidn3600 Aug 2013 #26

Its not "our" data, it actually belongs to the companies that provide us with these services. phleshdef Aug 2013 #51

So our emails don't belong to us either? How about our phone conversations? dkf Aug 2013 #56

I'm still operating under the assumption that wiretapping is only being done... phleshdef Aug 2013 #61

The content of your emails is yours jeff47 Aug 2013 #133

The emails belong to you. The routing logs belong to me (or whoever your mail provider is) Recursion Aug 2013 #144

So, when we send a letter by regular mail, the words don't belong to us, either? Th1onein Aug 2013 #68

Nope. You bought that envelope from a company, right? And the paper. And the pen. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #120

lol Th1onein Aug 2013 #124

USPS has taken photos of the outside of every letter mailed since World War 1 Recursion Aug 2013 #145

You know what's really, really sad? Th1onein Aug 2013 #163

Good point, Davidn3600, this information is gathered by the communication companies. The Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #101

"I still haven't seen any evidence that humans cause climate change" villager Aug 2013 #28

I haven't seen any evidence aliens cause climate change Coyotl Aug 2013 #75

If this were "Human Underground," you'd be in violation of the rules! villager Aug 2013 #96

Neither have I creon Aug 2013 #30

they've admitted to collecting information alc Aug 2013 #32

It also comes down to bureaucracy. randome Aug 2013 #50

For once, I agree with you. When actual US terrorist attacks occurred, NSA spying was useless. leveymg Aug 2013 #33

Very informative post... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #154

I had hopes for constructive change to CIA Counter-terrorism operations in 2008. leveymg Aug 2013 #160

You'd think in those 20,000 files, there'd be at least one recording of a phone call... millennialmax Aug 2013 #34

But Snowden said he "saw things". That should be enough! randome Aug 2013 #48

This is what I keep coming back to Egnever Aug 2013 #158

Thanks for the laugh, prosense. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #36

Why? Because the administration says so? AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #39

See, that's the whole point - you can't prove a negative tularetom Aug 2013 #41

So you have to assume you're always being spied on no matter what you read... Silent3 Aug 2013 #79

Well that's that. Puglover Aug 2013 #42

You haven't seen any... sagat Aug 2013 #43

oh, my. .. . niyad Aug 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #45

But, snowden, greenwald, putin, and limbaugh are all in accord.. "USA=bad Russia= Cha Aug 2013 #47

Of course you haven't because you REFUSE to see usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #52

+1 Thank you. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #57

Good. Apparently, Snowden revealed nothing and they can call off the dogs and return his passport. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #55

Yeah, he told us nothing, plus everyone already knew it all already, plus it's a danger to national GoneFishin Aug 2013 #60

Silly Feds! markpkessinger Aug 2013 #80

Well shit... Hey kids! Fold the tents! ProSense has links to ProSense posts proving no spying! cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #62

Well, I guess you couldn't find the evidence either ProSense Aug 2013 #63

Im am very sad about this. Socal31 Aug 2013 #64

What do you think the Congress wanted it for? Amonester Aug 2013 #67

collecting data on Americans is spying. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #65

Then each person "spies" everyday just looking outside at crap uponit7771 Aug 2013 #69

Collecting logs of everyone's calls, emails and websites = looking outside at crap... limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #70

"logs" = hell yes, if that's all they're collecting by law that's equivalent of looking at people in uponit7771 Aug 2013 #71

So you're saying everyone's phone and internet use is public information like something hanging on a limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #72

No, you said logs...I know the difference between "use" and logs like what IP address's a computer uponit7771 Aug 2013 #73

So you're saying everyone's phone & internet logs are public information like something hanging on limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #78

The people sending the email don't own the switches, like people don't own the street they travel on uponit7771 Aug 2013 #84

But there is a reasonable expectation of privacy with web browsing history. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #86

Not remotely Recursion Aug 2013 #92

This is nonsense. It would be completely illegal for a citizen hack in and read such logs. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #97

Those routers are run by citizens Recursion Aug 2013 #98

No, internet routers are run by organizations. Companies, governments, universities. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #99

Very much so. If you don't know that, you need to learn it. Recursion Aug 2013 #91

Except they aren't doing that. jeff47 Aug 2013 #134

1) A warrant that covers everyone is illegal and unconstitutional. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #136

There isn't a warrant that covers everyone. jeff47 Aug 2013 #138

Warrants that require collection of data of millions of people not suspected of any crime... limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #139

Only if that was those people's data. jeff47 Aug 2013 #151

I think that is why they call it spying. Rex Aug 2013 #66

By that reasoning, you're always being spied on no matter what Silent3 Aug 2013 #77

Not at all, that is what good spying is. Rex Aug 2013 #82

It's one one of those open your eyes experiences, not close your eyes and imagine on point Aug 2013 #83

Some people don't look very hard. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #85

very patriotic, don't let the enemies of the state win, fight terrorism AppleBottom Aug 2013 #87

Here: Jewel V. NSA hootinholler Aug 2013 #88

That's it? A 2008 case? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #100

Thanks for confirming hootinholler Aug 2013 #102

I looked at the link. Is that all you have because ProSense Aug 2013 #104

Picking Cherries are we? hootinholler Aug 2013 #109

Evidently, you are. Again, where is the evidence? ProSense Aug 2013 #111

Bless your heart hootinholler Aug 2013 #112

You're ProSense Aug 2013 #116

Again, you need evidence of spying on US persons jeff47 Aug 2013 #137

Um, there were are 2 programs hootinholler Aug 2013 #141

By my count, there's about 8 programs. jeff47 Aug 2013 #150

very true - and it's against the spyocratic oath, to do anything in secret markiv Aug 2013 #90

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #94

collecting and analyzing why are h is spying. Collecting it is abuse. bowens43 Aug 2013 #103

Uh, Why would the DEA have to perform "parallel construction" (read: Lie in court) to cover up Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #105

Because the ProSense Aug 2013 #108

The DEA is getting tips from the NSA and the DEA is covering it up in court. That's obvious. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #117

The DEA program has nothing to do with the NSA ProSense Aug 2013 #118

That's absurd. It obviously has to do with the NSA. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #119

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #122

Pah. Did you even -read- the rest of that? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #148

So That's Why I Haven't Been Arrested otohara Aug 2013 #107

Sec 702 of the FISA Amendment Act... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #110

Well, thank fucking god! RetroLounge Aug 2013 #113

Nor will you. krispos42 Aug 2013 #114

Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody. Turbineguy Aug 2013 #115

Semantics dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #121

I think I found that evidence ProSense Aug 2013 #125

I should've said dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #147

Hard to see when your eyes are closed. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #123

well nixon didn't spy and didn't lie so i guess it's ok for our government to have toys like this. unblock Aug 2013 #126

You would think that if Snowden had something, it would be evidence of that very thing liberal N proud Aug 2013 #127

What would you accept as evidence? The Second Stone Aug 2013 #135

I know. bravenak Aug 2013 #140

There is none, and there's one easy way to tell: CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #142

K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #146

Same with Birthers... Lancero Aug 2013 #152

Then why does Obama think Snowden is a traitor? WinkyDink Aug 2013 #153

Because he revealed the scope of our foreign survielance Egnever Aug 2013 #157

"Spy vs. Spy." WinkyDink Aug 2013 #162

i saw you pose for a photo during your research markiv Aug 2013 #161

I'm not white or that young, but it's an interesting attempt at a personal attack. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #164

it was an opinion and observation markiv Aug 2013 #165

A silly photo is your "opinion"? ProSense Aug 2013 #166

a picture is worth a thousand words markiv Aug 2013 #167

I disagree David Krout Aug 2013 #168