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Jeff In Milwaukee

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35. Two Words - Poverty and Gangs

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:25 PM

Aug 2013

Chicago has a mind-boggling amount of gang activity, and the overwhelming majority of homicides are gang related.

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You think Chicago has the worst homicide rate? [View all] BainsBane Aug 2013 OP

bookmarked the link... chillfactor Aug 2013 #1

Note that this is 2011 BainsBane Aug 2013 #3

I went to the FBI website. It seems that 2011 is the most recent stats they have. mucifer Aug 2013 #4

gun humpers LOVE using Chicago Skittles Aug 2013 #2

Just as you lot studiously avoid discussing Houston friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #12

"you lot" Skittles Aug 2013 #23

Did you read the OP? Squinch Aug 2013 #29

Like 'you lot" BainsBane Aug 2013 #41

Too bad for you that I didn't say "more guns actually lead to fewer shootings." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #50

Japan has a *very* high homicide rate, mostly due to suicides. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #54

When do you plan on addressing the data from other countries regarding murder rates and Heywood J Aug 2013 #49

Murder rates and gun availability don't track exactly. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #51

No, but one does appear to feed off the other. Heywood J Aug 2013 #56

The murder rate in the US has been declining since at least 1991, per the FBI friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #58

We have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years hack89 Aug 2013 #59

Perhaps the murder rate is down, but the population growth rate is also down. Heywood J Aug 2013 #61

Murders are down in absolute numbers hack89 Aug 2013 #62

I bet it would have declined even more if we stopped coddling yahoos who arm up. Hoyt Aug 2013 #79

Don't the Swiss have an actual militia suffragette Aug 2013 #63

Yes, and they also have less income inequality and more social homogeniety than we do. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #64

And, they require that single gun to be locked up, restrict toting, severely limit amount Hoyt Aug 2013 #80

Those data are inaccurate Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #5

I think the issue with Chicago is that there is such segregation. mucifer Aug 2013 #6

It's pretty segregated in housing, but ... frazzled Aug 2013 #16

THere is a huge issue in Chicago with Regard to Race Crime and Poverty: mucifer Aug 2013 #20

Yup, it's a sad formula frazzled Aug 2013 #22

as a chicagoan now texan, elehhhhna Aug 2013 #46

Your numbers are for 2012, the chart is for 2011 BainsBane Aug 2013 #8

It's still inaccurate Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #10

I wonder how the FBI lists crime stats BainsBane Aug 2013 #44

They list them by city and also by MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #53

to me, a metro area defines a city hfojvt Aug 2013 #32

No, it's because of population density. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #38

a city isn't a suburb hfojvt Aug 2013 #42

The metro area is based on density and is the standard statistical demographic object Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #48

No, it isn't, and no, it's not. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #67

Correct.. using city limits, here's the 2011 list.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #33

Pro Gun Talkiing Points otohara Aug 2013 #7

Why do guns cause less damage in decidedly pro-gun Houston? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #14

My wife spent much of her childhood in Houston - she bragged on their schools derby378 Aug 2013 #18

Two Words - Poverty and Gangs Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #35

I'd have guessed Detroit or New Orleans. alphafemale Aug 2013 #9

Flint is a depopulated urban core like Detroit FarCenter Aug 2013 #11

Now that's breaking wind. nt valerief Aug 2013 #13

I thought Los Angeles Iliyah Aug 2013 #15

Isn't Gary Indiana right over the border from Chicago in a pro gun state one of the worst? coldmountain Aug 2013 #17

I think the point has been Chicago's gun ban pintobean Aug 2013 #19

Well, a gunner told me that ban was repealed in 2010 BainsBane Aug 2013 #21

That's for possession pintobean Aug 2013 #25

That hardly constitutes a ban then BainsBane Aug 2013 #28

I guess that depends on what "limited" means pintobean Aug 2013 #30

The point from the pro-gun side has been that the ban drove the stats up. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2013 #36

Mmm, not really. Pro 2A folks said the nearly 40 yr. Ban... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #43

What ban? Tens of millions of guns have been produced during that 40 years, and legally available Hoyt Aug 2013 #81

Oh, Chi had bans alright. But you don't want to acknowledge the flaws of prohibition: Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #82

Er...no. I didn't think that. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #24

Notice . . . OldRedneck Aug 2013 #26

Actually.. check prelim 2012 data.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #31

Wow. The News Orleans rate is beyond belief. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #27

We've always been like that. It's part of our culture, we murder one another. RB TexLa Aug 2013 #37

Wait a minute... NewThinkingChance40 Aug 2013 #34

Guh; those are all pretty alarming Posteritatis Aug 2013 #39

That's what happens when people think freedom is defined by guns BainsBane Aug 2013 #40

Got it... Yeah, Chicago is awful and their policies have failed... Pelican Aug 2013 #45

Try reading BainsBane Aug 2013 #47

There are actually people who WANT the United States to have the highest homicide rate cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #57

The gun industry wants gun sales BainsBane Aug 2013 #72

So, no? n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #78

"That is why we have the highest homicide rate in the First World, and that is exactly how gun... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60

So cutting our murder rate in half over the past twenty years hack89 Aug 2013 #66

that has to do with the percentage of young males in the population BainsBane Aug 2013 #73

So demographics overwhelmed the impact of more guns? hack89 Aug 2013 #74

The murder rate is still too high . . branford Aug 2013 #52

It's too high in Detroit, Nola, DC, Baltimore BainsBane Aug 2013 #70

Despite declining crime rates, you and I are in rare agreement. branford Aug 2013 #71

I'm surprised about Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #55

The media influence how we perceived which cities are most dangerous BainsBane Aug 2013 #65

Where's Oakland on that list? Or did they exclude the western U.S.? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #68

This graphic used a table that used metropolitan statistical areas.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #69

That's murders per 100,000 people, I'm assuming... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #75

Yup, sorry for not annotating a quick cut and paste. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #76

Where does Chicago rate in their total number of homicides? Jenoch Aug 2013 #77