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PragmaticLiberal

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60. To be fair, your post could apply to many countries.

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:21 PM

Aug 2013

Personally, I'm not one of those "the U.S is an evil bully who beats up on the third world etc etc. type person.

Nor do I think we're saints.

I believe the U.S. does what it perceives are in it's best interests.

Just like every other nation.

So in other words, everybody's shit stinks (To a certain extent).

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oooh, Russia's just so evil and baaad. [View all] cali Aug 2013 OP

Good way to put it. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1

Do you remember the KGB? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #24

"Guaranteed not as bad as the Soviet Union" is not a standard anyone should be proud of. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #54

That pic does not look like the KGB. zappaman Aug 2013 #59

Yes Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #158

Of course I do. And that's not the point of the OP. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #90

I know Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #159

Another 'whoosh' moment brought to you by the U.S. propaganda machine. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #101

Similar to the CIA, yup... Nt GlashFordan Aug 2013 #108

maybe Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #160

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #2

false comparison DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #3

Are you ever going to get tired of the "we're not as bad as Russia!" defense? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #12

No, we're different from Russia. We're almost the same. ProSense Aug 2013 #16

Oh, you. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #19

"Russia is hardly a standard to which we should hold ourselves." I know, ProSense Aug 2013 #26

Yes, it is bad. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #31

What bullshit. LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #34

Oh, is it? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #35

Go ahead. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #68

Are we different or almost the same? leveymg Aug 2013 #66

Snark. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #69

Do you have a history of criticizing Russia or is this something new. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #82

I don't need a "history" to criticize Russia. ProSense Aug 2013 #88

Thanks for answering. You seem skeptical of my assessment of the human rights records of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #162

As an FDR Democrat, I whole heartedly support you, ProSense. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #145

In the old days they were sent to Siberia Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #29

It remains to be seen how tough it will be since he is being inundated with job offers. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #136

And poor Stalin was just misunderstood? Riftaxe Aug 2013 #4

Stalin's still alive? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #9

Yes, and Hitler still rules Germany, I guess? deurbano Aug 2013 #18

He died in the 20th century Riftaxe Aug 2013 #20

Your straw man, you swing at it. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #56

60 years ago to be precise. MattSh Aug 2013 #163

I believe Stalin was Georgian. reusrename Aug 2013 #33

And his name wasn't Stalin GlashFordan Aug 2013 #109

Stalin preferred Russian over Georgian culture RZM Aug 2013 #125

I'm talking about now, not 60 years ago. duh. cali Aug 2013 #147

Why didn't you know, the U.S. is the source of all goodness and justice in the world! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #5

Or Jose Padillo... Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #14

I'm sure what he'd tell you if you asked: Hydra Aug 2013 #32

Hahahha, very true..! Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #50

2+2=5! n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #80

It's PADILLA, not Padillo. nt MADem Aug 2013 #85

Sure, but his name sounds brown, so who really gives a fuck? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #102

lol, yep quinnox Aug 2013 #104

I love how all of a sudden the Snowden haters became very concerned over the plight of gays in quinnox Aug 2013 #6

Few of those countries are developed countries. KamaAina Aug 2013 #25

I am not a Snowden hater awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #42

Fine, then my post doesn't apply to you quinnox Aug 2013 #44

Just wanted to make it clear... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #47

understood. There are definitely those who are consistent in their principles quinnox Aug 2013 #53

I think you're on to something there quinnox. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #112

I agree, it was odd how this quinnox Aug 2013 #116

Amazing how that works. When it was Lt. Dan Choi handcuffing himself to the White House fence... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #122

good point nt. quinnox Aug 2013 #129

its a false front SwampG8r Aug 2013 #142

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #7

It would appear so. Number23 Aug 2013 #40

+1 AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #84

There is no floor, here. None at all. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #167

This place generally gets hypersimplistic when one country or another is criticised Posteritatis Aug 2013 #43

Yes, they are SO VERY eeville and bad, in fact, that anyone who gets stuck there kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #8

America >>>>>>>> Russia sagat Aug 2013 #10

Peanut fixes master's primed terrier mare. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #103

I guess that depends on the metrics used to come to that conclusion, doesn't it? cali Aug 2013 #148

Yeah someone actually called them the Puglover Aug 2013 #11

And here I was thinking the Cold War was over NuclearDem Aug 2013 #13

I asked them if they were June Cleaver posting under another name. nt Puglover Aug 2013 #15

June was cooler than that! deurbano Aug 2013 #21

She was just a doll! Puglover Aug 2013 #28

Overall the US doesn't suck when things are put in perspective. great white snark Aug 2013 #17

I've never made any account of Americans fleeing to Russia, honey. cali Aug 2013 #150

We are a much better country treestar Aug 2013 #22

"We have a bill of rights and a constitution that is followed".... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #49

Can you BELIEVE it????? bvar22 Aug 2013 #62

That whole Civil War hoax, never happened. reusrename Aug 2013 #74

I LOVE the Puglover Aug 2013 #76

That's me. "Madame Obamahater" as I've been called cali Aug 2013 #151

It is treestar Aug 2013 #71

The criminal cabal that rules modern Russia is not homegrown. reusrename Aug 2013 #75

Since you brought up the bill of rights... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #79

Just a question Treestar. I'd be curious to Puglover Aug 2013 #81

I dunno. Igor's Moscow apartment looks pretty decent... SMC22307 Aug 2013 #94

Oh, and I didn't say we are as bad as Russia... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #100

Nor can imagine living in BFF Saudi Arabia. The country where 99% of the 911 killers Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #143

No, we don't kill most of them, we just lock them up for very long periods of time, for what really RC Aug 2013 #91

LOL! Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #105

I KNOW!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #165

Wait, what? a la izquierda Aug 2013 #157

Why not train your fire on the statements that are wrong? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #23

It's about hypocrisy. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #27

His choice is Russia or life in an American prison davidn3600 Aug 2013 #36

His choice was to speak out against the United States and then go over to Russia... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #37

US wouldnt let him go anywhere else! davidn3600 Aug 2013 #45

Yup...and? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #48

He probably will when and if he leaves Russia davidn3600 Aug 2013 #52

Uh huh. I bet he will. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #87

derpy derpy derp bobduca Aug 2013 #92

Pretty much when I hear people defend Snowden for going to Russia... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #140

AMERICA #1 RUSSIA P'TOOIE! spitting noise bobduca Aug 2013 #161

If Snowden returned here, the treatment he would receive would make Manning's treatment seem like RC Aug 2013 #93

Boo-fucking-hoo. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #111

Agreed. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #95

You're kidding, right? MattSh Aug 2013 #137

It doesn't take an expert to know Russia is a fucking corrupt, reactionist nation. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #141

Do you get that he has no guarantee of life in Russia not being in prison treestar Aug 2013 #154

I think until we learn how Snowden came to his decisions of where to snappyturtle Aug 2013 #57

I think it's pretty clear Snowden will accept Russia's flaws rather happily... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #89

what message ? that he fine living in places which are far worse when it comes to JI7 Aug 2013 #128

That's another thing that bothers me about this selfish prick. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #146

yes, he said he didn't want to live in a country that spies on people JI7 Aug 2013 #126

I'm pretty happy to be living in the USA. zappaman Aug 2013 #30

pretty much my feelings on it. loli phabay Aug 2013 #46

At least we don't have an atmosphere... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #38

Deja Vu. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #39

The gipper spoke of "The Evil Empire" with derision, but the ensuing fawningly slavish worship indepat Aug 2013 #41

The Us has not arrested gays. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #51

...except in Baton Rouge. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #55

The federal government? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #73

Denied them their rights right up until a couple months ago. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #77

Discriminated against, but not arrested for. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #153

Except during the decades of anti-sodomy laws. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #58

ignorance usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #78

LOL Puglover Aug 2013 #86

...for weeks now. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #107

To be fair, your post could apply to many countries. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2013 #60

Which IS exactly the POINT of this OP. bvar22 Aug 2013 #64

Always that kind of ridiculous comparison. Nt Sand Wind Aug 2013 #61

We know our shit stinks. MicaelS Aug 2013 #63

Simplistic crap. The kind of crap that keeps sufrommich Aug 2013 #65

Hear hear lumpy Aug 2013 #99

that was kind of the point, my dear. But of course, you haven't said word one about cali Aug 2013 #152

Russia kardonb Aug 2013 #67

Been there,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #96

Apparently you have not done much travailing. RC Aug 2013 #97

MURIKA! FUCK YEAH! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #120

For fuck sakes... trumad Aug 2013 #70

heh quinnox Aug 2013 #83

There's an old Russian proverb, "No man smells his own" starroute Aug 2013 #72

Oh hell. I just spit beer all over the screen. So true, so true, indeed! eom Purveyor Aug 2013 #113

Russia is a single-party state RZM Aug 2013 #98

I was just in Moscow last week yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #106

Russian Parliament Unanimously Passes Anti-Gay Bill, 434-0 William769 Aug 2013 #114

Thank you for the welcome yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #119

Yes the world is changing very quickly. William769 Aug 2013 #123

So you hate the Russian people. All of them. yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #127

Oy vey. William769 Aug 2013 #130

Where did he say he "hate the Russian people. All of them"? Is it ok to speak out against uppityperson Aug 2013 #132

"That was a Unanimous vote it is the people that put them there." yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #135

"Everyone was very nice to this American and accepted me as an individual." sagat Aug 2013 #124

Yeah, that part was weird yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #133

I've always wanted to see a Siberian tiger in its natural habitat. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #115

welcome to DU! TeamPooka Aug 2013 #117

Thank you yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #121

I've also visited Russia and I couldn't have described it better Rhiannon12866 Aug 2013 #139

I am old enough to remember the bomb drills also yourmovemonkey Aug 2013 #144

But they don't have a friggin' Bill of Rights! treestar Aug 2013 #155

As someone who has been to Russia 7 times, yes, we are much better. Much much better. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #110

I think it is a positive that some of the Snowden haters seem to care about gay rights now. The Link Aug 2013 #118

there is a reason why there are Russian Mail Order Brides, but not AMerican mail order brides for JI7 Aug 2013 #131

ok...i think that`s sort`a well known madrchsod Aug 2013 #134

We still got Gitmo cali. Rex Aug 2013 #138

"Heads or Tails" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #149

clearly Russian has a lot of Abominable things - but I cannot help but think a lot of the hype about Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #156

Russia's pretty shitty, even compared to us. JoeyT Aug 2013 #164

Yup, Russia never invaded anyone without being attacked Progressive dog Aug 2013 #166

As the subject is Russia - she's sure got a great National Anthem. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #168