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40. Tell them to fly over Sarah's house. She knows what to do when you spot a

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:14 PM

Aug 2013

Russians rearing their heads.

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

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Obama: NSA Surveillance Was Necessary To Make Sure Boston Bombings Weren't Part Of Bigger Plot [View all] Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 OP

17+ Intel agencies and they missed the Boston bombers leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

It is a stupid as when they pretend the NYSE Rex Aug 2013 #54

Shit. I guess we need a few more Intelligence agencies. Incitatus Aug 2013 #146

And exactly what tools did they use to check on that? b/c if it's information from... allin99 Aug 2013 #2

"a bombing which no intelligence agency spotted beforehand" - except the FSB Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #3

Strongly, yes very strongly agree avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #5

How do we manage to "miss" so much - with this dragnet surveillence? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #29

Because these agencies do not communicate well together so information was not shared between them. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #57

Because the Surveillance is to keep Mr and Mrs America and their bratty kids in line Demeter Aug 2013 #69

That too. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #108

They say they've prevented many terrorist plots!... That they ENTRAPPED the suspects! cascadiance Aug 2013 #7

Like the agent in MN who noticed those Saudi flight school students joeybee12 Aug 2013 #83

Exactly. They had all the tools they are so confident in to stop that bombing and they failed. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #94

That is a regular talking point among the elites and fans nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #4

It's also a 'regular talking point' of all LE agencies when they do their jobs legitimately. randome Aug 2013 #101

So the CIA and FBI fail (again), and the NSA gets praised? See a pattern here? leveymg Aug 2013 #6

... Hydra Aug 2013 #8

I found it an insult to my intelligence Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #10

That's exactly what I came to post... AzDar Aug 2013 #62

The NSA does not monitor domestic communications so they can't be at fault for Boston. randome Aug 2013 #9

That's the funniest (and phoniest) comment on this thread. leveymg Aug 2013 #11

Give it time- he's just the first in >:) Hydra Aug 2013 #13

I think the others went out for an office lunch at Chi Chi's. leveymg Aug 2013 #16

I can't figure out if it is simple naivete or mass ignorance Skittles Aug 2013 #151

Wrong and Wrong Hydra Aug 2013 #12

They need a warrant to look at the metadata. randome Aug 2013 #15

So, you would blame the Boston bombing on the FSB? leveymg Aug 2013 #19

CIA, FSB, FBI, whoever, somebody fucked up. randome Aug 2013 #47

Same fuck-up as WTC '93, 9/11. Yes, I would do something differently, and I specified exactly leveymg Aug 2013 #61

The NSA, so far as we know, is not 'monitoring everybody'. randome Aug 2013 #127

*lmao* Hydra Aug 2013 #23

Gathering metadata requires a *subpoena* (of Verizon) ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #38

It is not illegal for the NSA to retain business records. randome Aug 2013 #45

So...if this is all legal and we know they did it regardless Hydra Aug 2013 #53

I don't know. Do you? randome Aug 2013 #128

Holy disidoro01 Aug 2013 #14

So you're saying they DON'T need a warrant to look at domestic suspects? randome Aug 2013 #17

Where? disidoro01 Aug 2013 #20

Right. I want so badly to control you. randome Aug 2013 #22

Nah disidoro01 Aug 2013 #24

I already did. randome Aug 2013 #41

No disidoro01 Aug 2013 #59

I'm not defending or ignoring anything. randome Aug 2013 #99

Look at the underwear bombing guy Aerows Aug 2013 #110

and the Tooth Fairy really does come to your house, right? lastlib Aug 2013 #33

Hard for them to miss, since Russia tried to INFORM US that these guys were suspicious. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #34

Tell them to fly over Sarah's house. She knows what to do when you spot a matthews Aug 2013 #40

I guess that might be better considering what they did: nothing. randome Aug 2013 #129

The "before" and "after" aspect of how meta data can be used really throws some people JoePhilly Aug 2013 #77

Underwear bomber Aerows Aug 2013 #111

No trust is required. Nothing prevents LE from abusing their authority. Not a thing. randome Aug 2013 #137

Craft International was in the Loop Octafish Aug 2013 #18

Octafish, I had not seen that photo before!!! chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #37

It is a strange thing, these private contractors operating on U.S. soil. Octafish Aug 2013 #75

Seriously? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #66

What straws? I didn't take the picture or design the logo. Octafish Aug 2013 #73

What fucking company? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #89

LOL! Didn't know your comprehension skills were my problem. Octafish Aug 2013 #91

BTW*: Here's the Craft International logo. Octafish Aug 2013 #104

You're Hopeless... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #142

I may be hopeless, but that's just a Punisher logo blown up big. Octafish Aug 2013 #144

Woo Woo Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #145

Show where I'm wrong. Otherwise don't libel me. Octafish Aug 2013 #147

I did, but the burdon of proof lays upon YOU... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #149

You didn't prove anything, apart from your ignorance. Octafish Aug 2013 #154

Keep fucking that chicken. NT Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #155

Your word choice reveals more than your breeding. Octafish Aug 2013 #156

Then why didn't your precious NSA GlashFordan Aug 2013 #21

They didn't because they don't intercept and listen to communications pnwmom Aug 2013 #98

You know Aerows Aug 2013 #114

They did take a stab at it. But they didn't find evidence of terrorism. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #115

Oh they found plenty of it Aerows Aug 2013 #117

The underwear bomb plotter who was an informant for the CIA came years AFTER pnwmom Aug 2013 #119

He attempted the bombing in 2009. Aerows Aug 2013 #120

There were two different underwear bombing plots, the first one in 2009. pnwmom Aug 2013 #124

Perfection or nothing? treestar Aug 2013 #122

Could the plot have been foiled using traditional methods of surveillance? The Corrector Aug 2013 #25

Tamerlan was already on the terrorist watch list. See my post above. leveymg Aug 2013 #43

oh horseshit AngryAmish Aug 2013 #26

UGH. He demeans himself with this weasely talk. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #27

Anyone that wants to bomb/attack, can and will. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #28

When a nuke goes off in NYC, we can be secure in the knowledge ... Eddie Haskell Aug 2013 #30

I can't find the "balance" part he keeps talking about in the 4th amendment... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #31

^ ^ ^ THIS! ^ ^ ^ lastlib Aug 2013 #35

^^and that^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #46

It's in the "their" part of the "their effects" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #50

Oh dear... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #56

Nice try? Rex Aug 2013 #71

You don't own Verizon, Google, or Facebook... ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #72

You really don't get it, do you..? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #74

I am well aware that President Obama is a Constitutional scholar ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #103

Cor blimey..you STILL don't get it... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #133

reality-based = outer space Skittles Aug 2013 #152

Good grief, you are really lacking in knowledge treestar Aug 2013 #125

Their oath, and the document, are relatively simple to understand... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #135

Good grief. You have to read a lot more than just that. treestar Aug 2013 #139

....and a regular person, with just a regular brain should know that.. truebrit71 Aug 2013 #141

the word "unreasonable" treestar Aug 2013 #123

That's what lawyers are paid to do... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #136

How it it determined when a warrant is needed? treestar Aug 2013 #140

Why can't they just get a regular warrant? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #32

That's what they ARE ! ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #42

There is nothing irregular about the warrant that they got. Any judge would pnwmom Aug 2013 #96

Today's excuse is late. It's already after 2:00 p.m. CST nt matthews Aug 2013 #36

This is just a horseshit explanation from an Administration that has gone power hungry. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #39

absolutely Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #44

Who will buy my wonderful bullshit? rusty fender Aug 2013 #48

Well, I am glad they are there. You never know what some family with 5 lbs of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #49

"Ball's Canning Guide" RC Aug 2013 #76

It's even worse that we thought. All those Methodist Churches and State University jtuck004 Aug 2013 #87

The NSA/TSA/FBI/CIA: Keeping us safe by preventing the LAST terrorist attack! markpkessinger Aug 2013 #51

I'm thrilled to know Aerows Aug 2013 #118

Okay that is just silly. Rex Aug 2013 #52

This might just be the dumbest thing he's ever said. bunnies Aug 2013 #55

Appeal To Fear, Fear And More Fear cantbeserious Aug 2013 #58

fuck this shit.. frylock Aug 2013 #60

Sadly, I'm starting to realize who the real idiot is here and it isn't you or me. Going to be Purveyor Aug 2013 #64

Of all that has been said here, I think you've summed it up nicely! snappyturtle Aug 2013 #67

I believe for the most part, he is right Skittles Aug 2013 #153

A rather amazing statement. Autumn Aug 2013 #63

A CYA statement complete with bogeymen. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #65

So someone has proof the NSA didn't get a warrant in tracking the brothers' communications? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #68

Tamarlan was on 3 terrorist lists, but managed to leave the country shortly after the murder of leveymg Aug 2013 #78

I asked a pretty simple question-after the fail that was Boston- isn't that when it's appropriate KittyWampus Aug 2013 #80

The point I'm making is that the counterterror system fails often with CIA double-agents, and leveymg Aug 2013 #82

Well, we both will agree then on the spectacular waste of money involved. And too much information KittyWampus Aug 2013 #84

Counterterrorism and detective work don't make many contractors rich, NSA surveillance systems do leveymg Aug 2013 #88

Obvious phoney bullshit is obvious. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #70

If, as a parent, someone detonated a bomb at your child's bus stop cheapdate Aug 2013 #79

As a parent, I'd like to know BEFORE the bomb went off...or the planes are hijacked... Octafish Aug 2013 #81

The lack of even a modest amount of transparency is a serious problem. n/t cheapdate Aug 2013 #134

Do you disidoro01 Aug 2013 #85

That's simple. Of course I could condemn someone in that instance cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #86

Pretty weak, cthulu2016. cheapdate Aug 2013 #138

Shameless post based on dishonest "article" based on a completely unobjectionable ucrdem Aug 2013 #90

Yes, a stunningly stupid post. They needed to rule out additional plotters pnwmom Aug 2013 #95

Very true. In fact, DUer stevenleser made the connection two months ago right here ucrdem Aug 2013 #105

Well, that's an interesting thought. pnwmom Aug 2013 #109

Yes. Obama has a habit of fixing things the neocons would prefer to leave broken. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #112

Wow that is very interesting. Egnever Aug 2013 #150

Stunning to see this coming from a Democrat. Scare tactics I expect to see only from sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #92

The writer doesn't understand that they are trying to prevent "terrorist events" pnwmom Aug 2013 #93

Oh, to have the deep Understanding® of the apologist. Marr Aug 2013 #113

this doesn't require deep understanding. A freaking first grader could grasp this. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #126

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Aug 2013 #130

Agree. I made a similar point earlier. cheapdate Aug 2013 #132

God his lies are pathetic LittleBlue Aug 2013 #97

Could you be more specific? pnwmom Aug 2013 #100

It's a pathetic, manufactured, laughable excuse LittleBlue Aug 2013 #106

The writer of the article in the OP doesn't understand pnwmom Aug 2013 #107

I can't believe he went there. winter is coming Aug 2013 #102

So the NSA collected all my emails and phone logs in advance Generic Other Aug 2013 #116

So you're saying if they didn't catch it before it happened, there was no need to treestar Aug 2013 #121

Didn't the general public find out who did this after they released the picture Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #131

Disappointing Hula Popper Aug 2013 #143

That is an amazingly terrible excuse AppleBottom Aug 2013 #148

Obviously, we don't need the FBI anymore? kentuck Aug 2013 #157