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In reply to the discussion: Guardian: "XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'" [View all]Rex
(65,616 posts)152. You can spoof, use a proxy server, hide behind a uber powerful firewall
use inprivate surfing...DOESN'T MATTER. This is akin to something I always tell people, "if a thief wants to break into your house, he will no matter what you do to protect your property'. IOW, there is NO privacy on the WWW. NOT in one country, NOT in one city. NOWHERE.
And it has been this way since the invention of the BBS. That is over 40 YEARS! If people are getting upset NOW, good! BUT, it has been going on for about 40 years now! Hell, they were wiretapping phones long before anyone even heard of the term! And where does MOST of our technology come from? The military. SAME with the WWW.
IOW, we've all been playing around and surfing on military web servers for decades now.
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Guardian: "XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'" [View all]
Catherina
Jul 2013
OP
And "hoovered" for future use. It's"highly sophisticated technology issues" rather than "bad faith"
Catherina
Jul 2013
#5
Yes, communications with people outside of the country or coming in to the country are fair game
Catherina
Jul 2013
#7
If you're in the database, all subsequent searches will potentially turn you up -even three hops out
leveymg
Jul 2013
#18
You get into the system by being within the database of any agency, US or foreign, that feeds into
leveymg
Jul 2013
#40
All gov't agencies operate essentially the same way. I know my stuff about a related agency.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#84
You say 'analysts', but who actually has access, and who are they working for?
Ghost Dog
Aug 2013
#219
The temptation is always there when you have a tool this powerful to use it in any number
leveymg
Aug 2013
#223
All that data is useless without software that identifies "red flags" that NSA considers suspicous.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#198
I'm a member of the Whistleblower Coalition. Russell Tice will tell you all about the misuse of NSA
leveymg
Jul 2013
#202
REMEMBER THIS: You are not a target until they get your info off of the database.
Th1onein
Jul 2013
#186
Hey, they've already listened to soldiers' pillow talk and had fun laughing about it.
Th1onein
Aug 2013
#250
The implication that these training materials are still in use at NSA are staggering.
leveymg
Aug 2013
#231
Where are all the corporate-surveillance state cheerleaders to tell us it is all a lie, and,.
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#19
yes that too,. I never understood that one, we have known about global warming for years too,.
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#46
I know, if anything that is even a worse indictment on the Government, that they 'know all this for
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#90
I suspected it for years, but I'll admit that the reality is different than I pictured
Hippo_Tron
Jul 2013
#201
Note confirmation that this is an Anglo operation: US, Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand
Catherina
Jul 2013
#32
of course gottaw "work" with our partners in the war of terror,. oops I mean war ON terror.
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#49
When they pop up elsewhere on DU, denying the obvious, give them the link to this thread.
RC
Jul 2013
#48
the more they blunt the reaction, the longer it takes to get anything done, and the smaller
MisterP
Jul 2013
#157
And that Snowden doesnt have shit and yet he is giving it to the Russians. Go easy on the NSA
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#176
K & R: Of course, DNI Clapper is completely honest & does not know a thing about this.
xocet
Jul 2013
#31
Well, you guys were really slow to react to this one, and weren't very effective when you did.
leveymg
Aug 2013
#225
Probably earlier than that when ECHELON was first revealed (I recall) by Bamford.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#51
Washington, D.C. wasn't very receptive to Mark Klein, just Keith Olbermann spoke out
Coyotl
Jul 2013
#134
Holly Shit! The more documentary evidence of these abuses, the better!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#60
And I won't believe it unless he brings his girlfriend to spell it while pole-dancing
Catherina
Jul 2013
#69
So where can YOU point to some story Greenwald has exaggerated or lied or played up?!?!?
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#135
I'm all for making changes so long as they aren't knee-jerk changes arising from fear.
randome
Jul 2013
#167
The Facebook chat slide is interesting to. If you know how to read that and what to do next
Catherina
Jul 2013
#130
And that is why I occasionally include spurious statements, words, etc. in e-mails, postings, etc...
Swede Atlanta
Jul 2013
#78
Imagine how much more sophisticated this system has likely become in the last 5 years
LondonReign2
Jul 2013
#86
They describe an operating system that has gone off the reservation of Congressional intent
leveymg
Jul 2013
#92
You would be more persuasive if you just stuck to the facts about the NSA program and, for a change,
leveymg
Jul 2013
#97
Your second response to my question was a near duplicate of the first. This one is a deflection.
leveymg
Jul 2013
#151
In itself, that is probably not enough to get "red flagged" (depending upon what you buy), but it is
leveymg
Jul 2013
#102
Edward R Murrow: "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#105
There will be some hipster/tech apologist along soon to explain it all for us that this is not bad.
Safetykitten
Jul 2013
#116
Not when they have access to the content, HTTPS only encrypts data during transit from 1 computer
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#207
The HTTP technology being described, however, is about intercepting data in transit...
Silent3
Aug 2013
#214
Direct server access where? Getting what? And what's that got to do with XKeyscore?
Silent3
Aug 2013
#216
The stories so far have not said that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Skype et al...
Silent3
Aug 2013
#239
Need to know codenames of NSA analyis and surveillance databases? Just browse Linked In
Catherina
Jul 2013
#165
ACLU: New Report Confirms NSA's Ability to Access Americans' Online Activity
Catherina
Jul 2013
#175
Yes, technology gives the government, any organization in fact, the ABILITY to spy.
randome
Jul 2013
#180