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NuclearDem

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90. The NSA is one part of the authoritarian state

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:01 PM

Jul 2013

And yet another is crushing protests and dissent with overwhelming police presence and violence.

Wonderful strawman you made though.

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"... While I was screaming at my TV and marching in the streets in protest of the Patriot Act, [View all] struggle4progress Jul 2013 OP

K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #1

I'll give Greenwald the benefit of the doubt on that one railsback Jul 2013 #2

A little tip NoPasaran Jul 2013 #3

I support the author for protesting the wars & Patriot Act. think Jul 2013 #4

It's fascinating to see you scour the Internet for negative things to post about Greenwald. leveymg Jul 2013 #5

Are you averse to those who research stories vs echo-chamber posting? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #6

How is the OP telling us anything Greenwald does not himself write in the Intro to his own book? leveymg Jul 2013 #35

I can understand why, mark. Tracking Snowden's resume and some early blm Jul 2013 #7

Obama is now a tool in the BFEE. I'll trust Snowden and Greenwald over all those liars. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #8

Why? The Snowden dog and pony show probably put Obama in the position of having blm Jul 2013 #10

blm, I misjudged you. To write off this heroic effort to expose the massive abrogation of our chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #11

I concur. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #20

Perhaps you can cite the evidence S&G provided that shows illegality or abuse by the NSA. randome Jul 2013 #31

You misjudged the Bushes. You aren't understanding a word I said. blm Jul 2013 #37

I think the Obama Presidency is off the track, and the Bushies are simply doing what they do best: leveymg Jul 2013 #33

For obvious reasons, Obama's is a VERY weak presidency. I think we both know why blm Jul 2013 #36

Not for nothing Robb Jul 2013 #39

I hope you don't think the point of the criticism here is to assist Bushco. I agree they are again leveymg Jul 2013 #40

I agree with you partly. If Congress curbs some of the operation blm Jul 2013 #44

House of Saud, House of Bush, Middle Kingdom. leveymg Jul 2013 #57

See that reality, though, from the POV of the Bushes who felt THEY owned China policy blm Jul 2013 #59

I haven't seen any real indication that the actors at the point of this drama -- leveymg Jul 2013 #60

I don't think they are knowingly. Just like I don't think Christopher Drogoul thought blm Jul 2013 #62

Check out this timing, mark..... blm Jul 2013 #52

The interests of the Bushes have been served very well by an already weak President. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #41

Bush loyal firms have been operating just about everything related to intel community since the 80s. blm Jul 2013 #46

Another Greenwald obsession thread. Do you guys do one a day and alternate? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #9

We should be so lucky Fumesucker Jul 2013 #14

I don't think they're even trying to match the Progressive dog Jul 2013 #21

Democrats usually side with whistle-blowers and not the authoritarian state. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #47

Authoritarian state!!!! Since we don't have Progressive dog Jul 2013 #63

Maybe not in your denial bubble, but I consider a government that collects personal rhett o rick Jul 2013 #64

"double-tap drone kills" kind of explains which Hollywood Progressive dog Jul 2013 #83

Talk about a load of rhetoric. I am impressed, but for giggles you never told why rhett o rick Jul 2013 #87

No you obviously wouldn't know an authoritarian if he bit you. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #88

You choose Gen Clapper, Gen Alexander, Herr Mueller and Comey over rhett o rick Jul 2013 #66

No, you chose to take turn a handful of Progressive dog Jul 2013 #82

You should go up against it before making a pronouncement as ignorant as that. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #69

I'm "going up against it" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #84

Are you sure about that? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #71

The Chicago PD is part of the Federal government now. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #86

The NSA is one part of the authoritarian state NuclearDem Jul 2013 #90

All local governments work with the NSA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #91

Are you dense? I never said the NSA had control of local governments and police NuclearDem Jul 2013 #92

It's just one authoritarian government is what you claim Progressive dog Jul 2013 #93

just heaven05 Jul 2013 #12

Hillary Clinton did worse than that Fumesucker Jul 2013 #13

ONCE AGAIN, it's all about the messenger. What ABOUT the NSA spying? Th1onein Jul 2013 #15

Because addressing the issue would invite meaningful discussion, which Zorra Jul 2013 #42

Hey, I'm putting anyone who attacks about Snowden and Greenwald, instead of NSA spying Th1onein Jul 2013 #43

What IS the course of action here? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #70

I can only say how I judge things. Th1onein Jul 2013 #80

I believe he was with about 90% of America at that time... kentuck Jul 2013 #16

90% was a mindless, anti-intellectual, angry mob NoOneMan Jul 2013 #51

And now that the situation has worsened . . . TomClash Jul 2013 #17

Consistency is.... kentuck Jul 2013 #18

You really need the whole thing cause some may not know. zeemike Jul 2013 #27

^^K&R^^^nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #19

The entire Centrist Democratic Party Leadership supported the Iraq War, bvar22 Jul 2013 #22

I remember prostesting the Patriot Act too. JoeyT Jul 2013 #23

I think you nailed it best Hydra Jul 2013 #26

Many people fell in line, only to realize their mistake later. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #24

Just more denialism, no one is asking you to "listen to him" only consider the facts. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #25

I guess "purity" is a double-edged sword...... djean111 Jul 2013 #28

It was different back then. The President wasn't a Black guy. Yavin4 Jul 2013 #29

And in 2008, the Democratic party, OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #32

Not giving anyone a pass Yavin4 Jul 2013 #45

Even if it were true... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #77

It's not about YOU - it's the flurry of media attention that wasn't there when it blm Jul 2013 #65

Well, there is the FISA court order to Verizon. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #72

Then you don't understand all the different levels they operate on. blm Jul 2013 #75

We're witnessing the collapse of a hegemon. (Enjoy the ride.) OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #81

I can understand why you would think that, but.... blm Jul 2013 #89

And we knew about TIA back in 2002. None of us believed the program was stopped blm Jul 2013 #48

So now it's too late... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #78

Meh, hit and run post. Javaman Jul 2013 #30

Nice footwork, Glenn . . . ucrdem Jul 2013 #34

how have we come to a point in history when we can only agree with someone if we agree with liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #38

This is a good point. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #50

Actually he didn't defend either. He was a private citizen with no blog, hadn't written any books Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #76

Kick and rec Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #49

As did Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry, and Harry Reid, and Diane Feinstein, and progressoid Jul 2013 #53

So the Patriot Act is bad, then? Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #54

then he turns his back on Bush, the Iraq War and the Patriot act and start smeaing them Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #55

Kick Scurrilous Jul 2013 #56

So the PATRIOT Act is good? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #58

Didn't he later write three books against Bush? HMmm....and the NSA and Obama are STILL wrong. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #61

Alright, we get it, you guys were right and GG was wrong NuclearDem Jul 2013 #67

Were you screaming at your TV when Obama reauthorized the Patriot Act? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #68

or droned women and children to death? burnodo Jul 2013 #73

Excellent question... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #79

'exact VENGEANCE on the perpetrators.' ljm2002 Jul 2013 #74

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #85