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63. Resulting in blood from Z's nose, no DNA on Trayvon and no blood on

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 11:07 PM

Jul 2013

Zimmerman's clothes (front of his shirt/jacket) because an elbow blow won't create as much blood as a broken nose.

I was thinking this also, after the elbow to the nose theory was presented in a thread I started yesterday, but I didn't want to bump my thread by responding (was getting out of control).

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Zimmerman was holding Trayvon by the hoodie when Z fell backwards, pulling TM down with him [View all] Duer 157099 Jul 2013 OP

Makes more sense to me than the version the jury heard from the defense. AndyA Jul 2013 #1

When I saw GZs injuries janlyn Jul 2013 #2

Except here GZ hit his head on a lawn sprinkler! hedgehog Jul 2013 #20

Yes. Fights with my sisters. I remember them. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #48

Almost exactly what I believe to have happened. ileus Jul 2013 #3

Very plausible. mzmolly Jul 2013 #4

This is how I have seen this and It makes even more sense now chowder66 Jul 2013 #5

if I'm following you.... grasswire Jul 2013 #6

The hoodie was away from Trayvon's skin when the shot was fired, so his blood Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #9

I wondered about that too mbuch64 Jul 2013 #47

That's always been my opinion. Zimmerman had his gun out. Grabbed DevonRex Jul 2013 #7

Makes sense to me malaise Jul 2013 #8

I'm Sorry He Will Have Another Chapter SoCalMusicLover Jul 2013 #32

And why didn't the prosecution offer up this scenario? Or any scenario? Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #10

Not one fucking clue Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #11

Because they didn't really care about winning the case. MH1 Jul 2013 #15

Yup. That was my impression too. Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #71

Exactly, a show trial to placate the masses... arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #83

The legal analysts on TV alsame Jul 2013 #17

Because it's not supported by the evidence. pintobean Jul 2013 #19

And the defense's argument was? Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #30

Let's talk about the evidence Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #34

THIS.^^^^ calimary Jul 2013 #36

The prosecutor secondvariety Jul 2013 #25

no one wanted to try the case Skittles Jul 2013 #37

Because the billh58 Jul 2013 #57

You may wish to check statistics on FL SYG. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #76

Prosecution has to PROVE what happened. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #74

but the shot was straight 'from a midrange' distance. this doesn't seem to jibe with scenarios that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12

But that piece of info does not fit with the "official" story Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #13

i wonder if there was some kind of skuffle that got them on the ground, martin got up & z shot HiPointDem Jul 2013 #21

Also he had Martin held at gun point because that is when Martin was screaming. I can just imagine Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #23

This is my belief also. And those MMA motions alsame Jul 2013 #14

Exactly n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #16

I didn't understand Good's using the term "MMA style" MH1 Jul 2013 #18

I had never even heard the term MMA alsame Jul 2013 #22

MMA is a mixture or martial arts styles, and very big on ground grappling. dionysus Jul 2013 #73

Mixed martial Arts! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #39

Here and I thought they were saying Zimmerman was a "Major, Major Asshole". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #52

John Good sounded very much like an asshole who watches too much teevee alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #55

VERY likely scenario Gman Jul 2013 #24

Certainly makes more sense than Zimmermans embelished story. lumpy Jul 2013 #38

Wouldn't it be the ballistic expert's burden to assert and prove that the hoodie was being grabbed? dkf Jul 2013 #26

just heaven05 Jul 2013 #27

Makes more sense than Z's story. nt MaeScott Jul 2013 #28

The Truth SoCalMusicLover Jul 2013 #29

I'd say this is a logical explanation of what happened, I especially agree that the murder weapon... DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #31

Makes complete sense to me. Trayvon fought because Zimmy grabbed him. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #33

I believe that is EXACTLY the way it all happened. nt Raine Jul 2013 #35

Convincing. zentrum Jul 2013 #40

Might as well put it out there chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #41

I thought something like this happened all along... Sancho Jul 2013 #42

Best I've heard yet! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #43

The only part I don't agree with LittleGirl Jul 2013 #44

Z being left handed even makes this scenario more plausible Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #46

He practiced with both hands. Read this: alsame Jul 2013 #49

your shoting dominat hand is not always your writing hand ceonupe Jul 2013 #54

Try to buy a left-handed gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #77

That is one hell of a theory Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #45

Even if he hadn't murdered Trayvon tblue Jul 2013 #50

If an assailant sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #51

And remember what an out of shape tblue Jul 2013 #53

Never bought the gym owners conclusion that Zimmerman was a helpless marshmallow. lumpy Jul 2013 #62

Now he's Superman! tblue Jul 2013 #81

Plausible. moondust Jul 2013 #56

It sounds like it could have gone down that way jimboss Jul 2013 #58

Were Zimmerman's fingerprints found in Trayvon's hoodie? Joe Hyperion Jul 2013 #59

A fingerprint on a sweatshirt? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #61

It is possible to recover fingerprints and DNA from fabric. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #66

You don't really think the Sanford PD went through all that trouble do you? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #67

You implied that it wasn't possible. I'm telling you that it is. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #69

why don't you think the prosecution argued this theory or one like it? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #60

Resulting in blood from Z's nose, no DNA on Trayvon and no blood on SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #63

I see now that you linked to the thread ; ) I love when DUers form such SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #64

Ah, I should have given you a hattip as well for starting that thread Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #65

Not needed, I love the path the investigative thinking took! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #68

Alternate scenarios, if both considered possible, reasonable doubt still exists. zencycler Jul 2013 #70

Wonder if the 7-11 video shows where Trayvon's draw-strings are at. dmr Jul 2013 #72

I looked but the resolution was just too low Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #80

Thats irrelevent Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #82

I am 100% convinced Zimmerman got out of the car specifically to detain Trayvon. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #75

And the racist Florida billh58 Jul 2013 #78

Good OP! Spazito Jul 2013 #79