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MillennialDem

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123. But calling someone a faggot as you said is "just words" / "smack talk". I'm going to kick your

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:25 PM

Jul 2013

ass is a specific threat (at least where I come from), assuming it's not said as a joke or otherwise nonseriously. "Honey if you don't take the trash out I'm going to kick your ass"

I would not hit someone for calling me a faggot, a cunt, a bitch, telling me I'm going to hell, etc - even if they were 3 inches from my face. But if someone says they're going to kick my ass, I would. I would interpret that as they're about to hit me. Again, assuming it's not a joke or not a real threat (just the ramblings of a drunk idiot or uncouth jackass).

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Did Zimmerman put hands on Martin first? [View all] SaveAmerica Jul 2013 OP

I don't think anyone knows. That's why the jury napi21 Jul 2013 #1

I think that's why the Defense didn't want George to testify SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #7

The prosecution had not proved Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. ... spin Jul 2013 #39

getting GZ to testify zencycler Jul 2013 #139

Welcome to DU. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #183

The defense didn't want Zimmerman to testify... Captain Stern Jul 2013 #146

No, it was because they would have eviscerated him on cross examination making him look like a LIAR. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #203

Probably so Captain Stern Jul 2013 #205

Where in John2 Jul 2013 #9

Ah the law of assertion. Because you say it's so doesn't make it so. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #15

Lesson from Zimmerman case: kill the witness. Also "I'm going to kick your ass" is not what MillennialDem Jul 2013 #22

Legally "I am going to kick your ass" Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #42

Wrong. You are making up your own scenario most likely. MillennialDem Jul 2013 #43

No, I am not Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #51

You claim that John2 Jul 2013 #81

I was a deputy Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #84

I strongly suggest that John2 Jul 2013 #93

I don't know where you come from, but talking smack to me MillennialDem Jul 2013 #102

I am going to shoot you Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #112

Sweet, so all I have to do is get someone I don't like sent to MillennialDem Jul 2013 #113

Well yes Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #121

But calling someone a faggot as you said is "just words" / "smack talk". I'm going to kick your MillennialDem Jul 2013 #123

I would look up Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #124

I'd rather not take my chances if someone is about to hit to me and has said as such. And yeah MillennialDem Jul 2013 #128

You the John2 Jul 2013 #188

Wow- lots to reply to Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #207

I think when an ass has a gun in their pants, you start pounding on them before they grab their guns Hoyt Jul 2013 #76

If you can show that he knew the gun was there Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #77

A guy carrying a gun is pretty obvious, there is an air about them. Hoyt Jul 2013 #80

Ohh bullshit Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #82

I can even tell which side you got it on by the way you walk and Hoyt Jul 2013 #89

Thanks for the laugh. It's the best one I've had all week. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #145

The prosecution was John2 Jul 2013 #87

Exactly, Zimmerman was prepared to kill someone. If his fight training failed, Hoyt Jul 2013 #91

BS Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #94

Why are you no longer a deputy? What military are you in? uppityperson Jul 2013 #97

Long story Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #106

Also GZ did not merely walk up to Martin. He slowly followed him in his truck, got out and chased hi MillennialDem Jul 2013 #26

Based on the map of the community, the confirmed timeline, and galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #38

I think it's a close call on the reasonable doubt aspect of it - and yeah I would MillennialDem Jul 2013 #40

This is where I disagree w the notion of civil reprisal. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #56

Why? That's exactly the point. In criminal court someone is MillennialDem Jul 2013 #108

Thank You MillennialDem you stopped the flow of BS. orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #152

Easy now rover, you can even tie up a disscusion with orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #151

Your argument, unfortunately, is based on a misperception of the law onenote Jul 2013 #17

I'm glad you put the last paragraph in there. What is awful though is that by killing the witness MillennialDem Jul 2013 #24

My opinion is based on the discussions of dueling lawyers napi21 Jul 2013 #19

But can't you be scared before you throw the first punch? SwissTony Jul 2013 #37

If you had a reasonable basis for fearing for your life onenote Jul 2013 #44

This seems reasonable to me. SwissTony Jul 2013 #74

Under the law passed in 2005, that could be true. Prior law, Zimmy needed to show he could not get Hoyt Jul 2013 #95

Thanks, excellent points. Martin doubling back makes no sense if you SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #25

that's pretty telling. you're walking along texting people who are waiting for you & then suddenly HiPointDem Jul 2013 #173

Martin's main fear was sexual marshall Jul 2013 #49

new meme from the wingers HiPointDem Jul 2013 #175

It's from ear witness Rachel Jeantel marshall Jul 2013 #180

no, it's not. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #200

It is what it is marshall Jul 2013 #206

You need to spend a little more time in the Law COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #54

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #174

The jury didn't have a hard time. They were racists who thought that Trayvon deserved to be killed. yardwork Jul 2013 #70

Yes. He tried to "detain" TM ... MaeScott Jul 2013 #181

The world will never know...there was no witness to this fight davidn3600 Jul 2013 #2

I would submit there was a witness, an 'ear' witness... Spazito Jul 2013 #12

As a witness she had issues... Pelican Jul 2013 #18

Please point out to me the inconsistencies in her testimony on the stand... Spazito Jul 2013 #23

You seem sensitive and have misunderstood... Pelican Jul 2013 #47

So there were NO inconsistencies in her testimony... Spazito Jul 2013 #58

Of course... Pelican Jul 2013 #62

The state provided evidence as well, phone logs, Trayvon Martin's ear buds... Spazito Jul 2013 #86

Those who found her to be a credible witness YarnAddict Jul 2013 #92

Those who found Zimmerman, the defendant who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, credible,.... Spazito Jul 2013 #99

She also lied about having written that letter to Trayvon's mom XemaSab Jul 2013 #109

She didn't write it because she doesn't write cursive... Spazito Jul 2013 #160

Why didn't she print it? XemaSab Jul 2013 #162

Wow...just wow... Spazito Jul 2013 #163

She lied about having written it! XemaSab Jul 2013 #166

zimmerman lied, repeatedly, & he's the defendant who murdered someone. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #176

Too bad for the state that the forensic evidence, the timeline, and a couple of the eyewitnesses XemaSab Jul 2013 #187

too bad for the martins that the murderer had friends in the 'justice' system. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #198

My reaction as well. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #170

She told lies YarnAddict Jul 2013 #110

If I had been on the jury, I would have known a lie being in the hospital so as to... Spazito Jul 2013 #117

No, they laid out many facts tearing up his version of events, but yes they did not offer a clear RBInMaine Jul 2013 #129

I watched the same trial John2 Jul 2013 #75

Are you saying she is lying? She seems believable to me. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #28

I'm saying that even if she wasn't... Pelican Jul 2013 #50

Unlike Zimmy's statements, given by a man who was Always Honest and True? uppityperson Jul 2013 #53

Well I am sorry but she came off as very believable and she is not looking to make money off hrmjustin Jul 2013 #55

She seems that way to you... Pelican Jul 2013 #64

Reading your posts it is clear what side you are on. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #66

As it stands, with the standard defense law... Pelican Jul 2013 #68

A child gets killed by a racist SOB coming home from the store and you think nothing should happen hrmjustin Jul 2013 #71

You picked a side too BainsBane Jul 2013 #130

If Rachel Jeantel was a white girl XemaSab Jul 2013 #134

First of all she is not illiterate and that is sad you would imply that. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #135

She's totally illiterate XemaSab Jul 2013 #137

She's not illiterate BainsBane Jul 2013 #141

I'm bigoted against uneducated people XemaSab Jul 2013 #144

She's a 19 year old kid. Scared. Nervous. English was not her first language. And just because RBInMaine Jul 2013 #202

She's an adult XemaSab Jul 2013 #204

And how do you know this? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #150

She was unable to write a really simple letter to Trayvon's mother without help XemaSab Jul 2013 #153

OMG! She had someone write the letter because she can not read or write script. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #154

So why didn't she print or type the letter? XemaSab Jul 2013 #159

Maybe someone suggested that it be in script. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #161

I'm not degrading her; I am stating plain facts XemaSab Jul 2013 #164

I stand by my last post. Think what you will. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #165

And did she tell the truth XemaSab Jul 2013 #167

Well we disagree! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168

So you disagree that she lied several times? XemaSab Jul 2013 #169

We disagee on the fact that you are denigrating her. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #171

If Sarah Palin is asked what publications she reads XemaSab Jul 2013 #172

And how does that concern you in any way? BainsBane Jul 2013 #156

Can't you leave her alone? BainsBane Jul 2013 #140

Lets be clear, John2 Jul 2013 #52

Because they don't care about charging her... Pelican Jul 2013 #57

Just because Trayvon may have been on top at one point does not mean he was the aggressor. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #61

He had evidence on his side... Pelican Jul 2013 #63

In your eyes. Many Zimmerman witnesses were not credible at all. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #65

Even if you don't believe the witnesses... Pelican Jul 2013 #67

Just because Trayvon may have been on top does not prove who was the aggressor. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #69

Great... Pelican Jul 2013 #72

Zimmerman is not innocent. He killed Trayvon remember! Even he admitted that. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #73

You are very confused... Pelican Jul 2013 #157

Tell me what are you views on politics my friend? Are you left, right, or center? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #158

Zimmy was guilty of killing Trayvon. He was not innocent. uppityperson Jul 2013 #101

there are a variety of other scenarios that can fit this evidence kwassa Jul 2013 #85

"Could have" isn't evidence YarnAddict Jul 2013 #105

You're wrong. Eyewitness testimony is often wildly inaccurate. kwassa Jul 2013 #138

I certainly never said he was innocent YarnAddict Jul 2013 #142

The main witness for the prosecution is dead. kwassa Jul 2013 #147

The most obvious, undeniable racism was on the part of the cops XemaSab Jul 2013 #148

I'm not sure what the cops motivation for all this is. kwassa Jul 2013 #149

"Zimmerman provided a minute by minute breakdown of his actions"? HAhahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jul 2013 #98

how do you shoot someone who's on top of you in the heart without getting their blood on HiPointDem Jul 2013 #177

Two things... Pelican Jul 2013 #179

You see the pictures of Trayvon's body? XemaSab Jul 2013 #186

"Get off, get off" YarnAddict Jul 2013 #88

I would suggest you check again, she stated the "Get off, get off" during her deposition as well... Spazito Jul 2013 #90

Oops! Just checked. YarnAddict Jul 2013 #96

When she spoke to Crump, she wasn't under oath, she spoke to him on the phone... Spazito Jul 2013 #104

Didn't she just say in an interview that she thought Trayvon threw the first punch? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #143

No, not that I have read, heard or seen in her testimony, interview... Spazito Jul 2013 #155

There is NO way to know... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #3

I see you and Obnoxious Smugness have already met..... (nt) Paladin Jul 2013 #5

Let me introduce you John2 Jul 2013 #11

I'm all ears (well, eyes actually). cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #13

Look up John2 Jul 2013 #27

If i had to guess, I'd guess yes. egduj Jul 2013 #4

Great post Tutonic Jul 2013 #6

She's black? I observed the 2 911 callers who lived closest to the SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #30

Yeah, he is the only one claiming those details. John2 Jul 2013 #36

I found Diamond Eugene to be very inconsistent. Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #46

because black people are violent & decide to murder strange white people with their bare hands HiPointDem Jul 2013 #178

My guess is this scenario: SoCalDem Jul 2013 #8

That scenario John2 Jul 2013 #14

GZ's nose could have been injured from the avebury Jul 2013 #16

for the recoil from a small pistol to break a nose Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #45

And isn't is just too bad they didn't test Zimmy for powder burns or what drugs he was on? uppityperson Jul 2013 #100

It was a Kel-Tec 9mm, not a Desert Eagle .50 davepc Jul 2013 #60

Would an elbow hit cause a lesser nose bleed than a broken nose? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #34

Luckily for me, I have no idea SoCalDem Jul 2013 #35

Hundred billion +++++ Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #48

Very plausible. mzmolly Jul 2013 #199

Zimmerman's words and actions.... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #10

I agree. My kingdom for Zimmerman to have taken the stand... SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #21

that gutless coward was NEVER going to take the stand Skittles Jul 2013 #32

Thanks everyone who responded to my comments in a thoughtful manner SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #20

i believe Z was definitely guilty of "assault," if not the original "battery." Definitions: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #29

of course he did - he was the aggressor Skittles Jul 2013 #31

If it was so clear YarnAddict Jul 2013 #114

sorry not everything is on camera for you Skittles Jul 2013 #115

Yes, it's too bad YarnAddict Jul 2013 #119

this rant is for you Skittles Jul 2013 #120

I'm not defending Zimmerman YarnAddict Jul 2013 #125

And what exactly, do you consider "evidence"? Zoeisright Jul 2013 #197

Evidence: YarnAddict Jul 2013 #201

Seems like it, sadly we can only get one side of the story. Rex Jul 2013 #33

Dollars to doughnuts libodem Jul 2013 #41

Trayvon was on top when he was killed XemaSab Jul 2013 #83

How do you really know? libodem Jul 2013 #103

His clothes were several inches from his body when he was shot XemaSab Jul 2013 #111

There was an extemely credible YarnAddict Jul 2013 #118

The PROSECUTION has said Martin was on top Lurks Often Jul 2013 #126

Did Tayvon actually hit Zimmerman? SwissTony Jul 2013 #59

The CSI tech testified that an absence of DNA is not considered evidence either way Lurks Often Jul 2013 #127

So, the ME didn't do his/her job... SwissTony Jul 2013 #132

Certainly a possibility, but we'll never know. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #133

OK, thanks for that. n/t SwissTony Jul 2013 #136

No one can say. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #78

Jaentel's own words made it clear Vattel Jul 2013 #79

And Z man told so many lies he wouldn't MaeScott Jul 2013 #182

Are we still doing this? flvegan Jul 2013 #107

i believe he did. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #116

Probably gollygee Jul 2013 #122

Of course he did. Why else would he have pursued Martin unless to detain him? killbotfactory Jul 2013 #131

The thing that was missing in the trial AndyA Jul 2013 #184

He probably did feel threatened YarnAddict Jul 2013 #185

Zimmerman also had ample time to avoid a physical confrontation AndyA Jul 2013 #189

You might want to re-read Florida law on self-defense Lurks Often Jul 2013 #190

I don't need to re-read Florida law on self defense AndyA Jul 2013 #191

You should because Florida law does not support what you said Lurks Often Jul 2013 #192

That's your interpretation of Florida law AndyA Jul 2013 #193

It's unfortunate that you find the facts troublesome Lurks Often Jul 2013 #195

Facts YarnAddict Jul 2013 #194

Of course. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #196