Yes,it was needed (Reply #137) - Democratic Underground

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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:11 AM

137. Yes,it was needed

However, I do hope there is a Silver lining. Obama lost of lot of potential because he walked in trying to be beyond partisanship and race. The fact is, this country has not arrived at some nice post racial, post partisan state, but the BAD GUYS, and yes, I will call the GOP E-V-I-L . are fighting harder than they ever did, and have actively bought the politicians in such a crass manner that they do not even pretend to feel shame.

It is a mistake to say that the GOP wants the 50's back, because back then, we had a manufacturing base. What they want is little less than the old Confederate States where rich white men could do whatever they wanted, and poor whites were kept chasing the browns and blacks to keep them busy.

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President Obama just made history. That was beautiful. [View all]	nolabear	Jul 2013	OP
A wonderful man	madokie	Jul 2013	#1
It was amazing. One of many times he's made history in a positive way.	great white snark	Jul 2013	#2
He has made history so many times	ailsagirl	Jul 2013	#77
He Went There - And I'm Glad He Did......	global1	Jul 2013	#3
It's pretty bad. But our job now is not to do the easy thing and fire back.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#4
this should probably be in the BOG	Doctor_J	Jul 2013	#5
"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector"	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#7
that's why he was saying it should be in the BOG	Skittles	Jul 2013	#16
So you don't subscribe to the privilege of rooms where hateful attacks are not allowed?	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#159
bullshit - they are NOT all "hateful attacks"	Skittles	Jul 2013	#169
Oooo... thy bile art showing.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#172
oh gawd	Skittles	Jul 2013	#173
Assholes can be found on all sides of the arguments.	Hissyspit	Jul 2013	#83
Doing nothing but complain even when he does something right indicates	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#87
Thank you, Hissyspit.	loudsue	Jul 2013	#146
LOL …	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2013	#103
+1	treestar	Jul 2013	#111
so correct!!!!	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#117
I sincerely believe that, treestar.	Hekate	Jul 2013	#132
I don't understand. Is GD unavailable for discussing a president's comments?	nolabear	Jul 2013	#25
Yes, it is available. I think the post to which you responded was code for	CakeGrrl	Jul 2013	#68
Nihilism appeals to such people.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#161
i think dislike quite a few thing re: BO, but even with the little i've heard re: this speech...	allin99	Jul 2013	#37
You mad?	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2013	#64
Ain't he always? But yes, this type of non-stop carping is just "holding his feet to the fire"	Number23	Jul 2013	#102
Yes.	Summer Hathaway	Jul 2013	#136
When bashers suggest President Obama's supporters should be CONFINED to the BOG	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#163
But the problem with posting in the BOG, is that you cant stir up the shit. You have to venture out	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#107
So astute of you	Summer Hathaway	Jul 2013	#130
Riiiiight. "Free Speech Zone" -- I remember those from Dubya's reign!	Hekate	Jul 2013	#134
Yes, it is a pretty cowardly thing to do	Summer Hathaway	Jul 2013	#135
Why do you and others like you, resent the Barack Obama group so much?	Whisp	Jul 2013	#158
Thanks for bringing to mind	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#164
I dont resent the BOG. I think it is great that there is a place for	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#166
that sounds authoritarian to me.	Whisp	Jul 2013	#168
You asked and I gave you a truthful answer. Your reaction indicates you werent seriously asking.	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#171
Ah, you claim to know everything about other people	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#182
Damn. Pardon my language but you FUCKING NAILED IT.	Number23	Jul 2013	#208
I salute you as my superior in exposition.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#209
You made sense of that mind-bending myopia?	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#194
Are you calling me a Teabagger? That's what you've come down to? Name calling and ridicule? nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#195
What part of "sounding like" do you not get?	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#196
You are just full of ad hominem attacks. There is no justification to use ridicule in DU. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#197
I look forward to your public scolding	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#198
Dont you have someone else to annoy? nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#199
Um, you initiated this exchange	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#206
Your first post in this exchange is 194 which you posted in response to my post #171 to Whisp.	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#207
LOL What?	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#210
I am sick of those of you that wont discuss issues but instead dedicate your posts to ad hominem	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#211
Sounds like a good move.	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#212
Tell it, sister! Good for you!	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#225
I haven't been sent	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2013	#228
I'm gonna watch you very carefully, Bobbie Jo	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#230
Name calling and ridicule ....	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#213
And it looks to me as if	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#170
The term adulation has a definition. The constant use of the word "wonderful" qualifies.	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#175
I'll stay awake all night grieving over that.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#177
I hate seeing a fight like this develop. Not scolding you guys but I don't see the point.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#221
JFK said, in effect,	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#222
I know, and I know it's just a discussion thread, but it was also my experiment	nolabear	Jul 2013	#223
I applaud your lofty intentions	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#224
Oh I'm far from naive. And I know how family can get on your last nerve.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#229
Well, I didn't mean to suggest you're naive in the least	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#231
LOL! I'm waaaaaay too nosey to ever ignore anyone.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#232
Believe it or not, I did go back and re-read the whole thread	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#227
But why would a thread acknowledging something positive about the POTUS stir shit up?	PragmaticLiberal	Jul 2013	#191
Hmm. No.	Raine1967	Jul 2013	#116
AUGH!! You just now spoiled Sharknado for me!!	Wednesdays	Jul 2013	#154
ROFL!	Raine1967	Jul 2013	#156
Everyone is talking about it in historic terms. And he did it in such a simple setting.	DevonRex	Jul 2013	#6
Exactly. He didn't "interrupt our regularly scheduled broadcast" to make these remarks.	arcane1	Jul 2013	#101
+1	freshwest	Jul 2013	#215
What you said.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#165
Yes, it was. I applaud his courage tremendously, and I'm grateful. n/t	OneGrassRoot	Jul 2013	#8
Courage.	Cracklin Charlie	Jul 2013	#11
How about a link?	LWolf	Jul 2013	#9
Nah, you're just supposed to nod your head in agreement and say	MNBrewer	Jul 2013	#10
Your bitterness must be painful	lunatica	Jul 2013	#17
+10 (nt)	ehrnst	Jul 2013	#41
Yes, yes. Aren't I just TERRIBLE?	MNBrewer	Jul 2013	#61
no, not terrible...more petty	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#118
Truly, yes. Petty, petty, petty.	MNBrewer	Jul 2013	#144
More's the pity.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#174
No, that's not true. I don't feel that way at all.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#22
"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector"	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#24
Oooo, Twitter	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#176
Not sure why you're being so sarcastic--the quote would seem to be on your side	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#178
Sorry about the tardiness of my reply here.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#200
The point wasn't to brag up Twitter, but rather to attribute the quote properly	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#202
I accept that.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#205
And I do	Life Long Dem	Jul 2013	#29
Again, re the poster of President Obama in front of the capitol building	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#167
Link to video of his comments...	Spazito	Jul 2013	#12
Thanks.	LWolf	Jul 2013	#13
You're welcome, and yes, he did exceedingly well n/t	Spazito	Jul 2013	#14
Ew whatever you do don't read the comments after the transcript	laundry_queen	Jul 2013	#44
The obscene, racist comments only reinforce what the President said...	Spazito	Jul 2013	#49
I certainly hope you are right. nt	laundry_queen	Jul 2013	#86
I posted with hope but, sadly, not with certainty...	Spazito	Jul 2013	#91
Their "voices" are louder because they are losing, not because they are growing.	arcane1	Jul 2013	#105
"Baby steps", yes, please let there be steps forward now...	Spazito	Jul 2013	#106
Thanks for the reminder. We too easily forget.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#179
OMG	BobbyBoring	Jul 2013	#149
I don't need to. There has been practice enough right here, although a lot milder	Whisp	Jul 2013	#184
Wow - that was really great!	Ruby the Liberal	Jul 2013	#72
You're very welcome!	Spazito	Jul 2013	#73
I just watched it at whitehouse.gov ...a great speech!	tofuandbeer	Jul 2013	#133
Thanks to nolabear for her thoughts on Obama's speech & opening it up for discussion...	pacalo	Jul 2013	#81
My pleasure, pacalo!	Spazito	Jul 2013	#84
My thanks too. I posted so fast there wasn't a link yet.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#85
I need to thank you! I neglected to do so probably for the same reason....	Spazito	Jul 2013	#89
.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#92
Right back to you	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#180
There is definitely a dire need for leadership on the points made by Obama, so it was good to hear.	pacalo	Jul 2013	#88
I totally agree!	Spazito	Jul 2013	#114
That is	John2	Jul 2013	#143
One thing I can stake my life on	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#181
You've made so many good points, you should make this an OP.	pacalo	Jul 2013	#204
I love the impromtu speech it was beautiful.!!!!!	mstinamotorcity2	Jul 2013	#15
But is that as far as it can go? Is that just creating more division to not try to understand?	nolabear	Jul 2013	#20
Far as I am concerned maybe	mstinamotorcity2	Jul 2013	#23
Really true. SometimesI don't like what I see and it confuses me.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#31
Think of tolerance like an expensive wine.	mstinamotorcity2	Jul 2013	#34
That's good writing	Android3.14	Jul 2013	#47
Thanks	mstinamotorcity2	Jul 2013	#48
+1	nolabear	Jul 2013	#93
What you said.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#183
he made history alright--NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say	leftyohiolib	Jul 2013	#18
Okay, let's talk. Does his policy on NSA (which I hate) mean that this means nothing?	nolabear	Jul 2013	#19
just a little perspective	leftyohiolib	Jul 2013	#21
Okay. I think you mean that you fear if people are excited about this we will forget that.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#27
What precisely are the perspectives national security issues, et. al. provides to a discussion regar	LanternWaste	Jul 2013	#32
a little perspective on Obama's experience growing up black in America, or your attempt to derail	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#39
little perspective? As if there haven't been 18,000+ posts on the matter	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#122
stop & frisk targeting black kids is part & parcel of the security state. what use are speeches	HiPointDem	Jul 2013	#138
"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector"	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#26
You will know them by their reactions. -nt	CakeGrrl	Jul 2013	#28
It's hilarious--some people need to bring up "OBama is the NSA Monster who eats kitties"	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#30
But my question is "THEN what do we do?"	nolabear	Jul 2013	#35
I've had to delete a number of people on facebook today and yesterday too.	allin99	Jul 2013	#33
+1	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2013	#36
I almost hate to admit it but the administration response to the	snappyturtle	Jul 2013	#45
words are wind	HiPointDem	Jul 2013	#139
My favorite quote.	bravenak	Jul 2013	#189
My current living situation exposes me to FOX nearly every afternoon...	dogknob	Jul 2013	#38
I guess I should see what their take is. (Deep breath) I'm goin' in!	nolabear	Jul 2013	#43
Okay, I went in. They're ignoring it completely.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#46
so glad he spoke out.	DesertFlower	Jul 2013	#40
Right-wingers were outraged by this speech too...	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2013	#42
More outraged than they were when he was elected President? It's really not OUTrage	kelliekat44	Jul 2013	#63
I've run into some that are SHOCKED there are white people who like him.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2013	#67
The next time that happens	Ruby the Liberal	Jul 2013	#74
Quick! Grab a shovel!	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#185
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2013	#50
"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector"	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#53
I like what the President said...	TommyCelt	Jul 2013	#51
They're not going to press charges against Zimmerman. nt	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#54
Sorry, I've been swamped @ work	TommyCelt	Jul 2013	#60
No, just seems pretty obvious.	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#62
Agreed	TommyCelt	Jul 2013	#66
No, they haven't ruled it out at all.	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#186
I just posted the entire press conference....	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2013	#52
Great speech. I think it's going to take a few more generations, but my son and his pals	Flatulo	Jul 2013	#55
That's my kids and my kids' friends as well	bhikkhu	Jul 2013	#115
He and like minds ruin more lives and dents more futures of black folks than anything he discussed	TheKentuckian	Jul 2013	#56
I hope that is part of what is opened up from this.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#58
So this means nothing?	great white snark	Jul 2013	#69
Grateful for what? Protecting poor outcomes and waste from a system of extraction and control?	TheKentuckian	Jul 2013	#147
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2013	#155
Hopefully so, but the gopers have been	Iliyah	Jul 2013	#57
What a man, what a man, what a mighty fine man.	SeaLyons	Jul 2013	#59
Think it's enough to get Holder off the hook?	Junkdrawer	Jul 2013	#65
It is not a matter of getting Holder "off the hook".	M0rpheus	Jul 2013	#78
there's nothing we can do about anything, to hear some people talk. can't do anything about	HiPointDem	Jul 2013	#140
From my VERY jaded view	M0rpheus	Jul 2013	#152
That's the excuse they like to offer	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#187
He made history by encouraging us to keep going forward. My takeaway is that the work is on US.	ancianita	Jul 2013	#70
Yes, PBO, is trying to lead on this and he also refuses to "hate back" like	Cha	Jul 2013	#71
He took an opportunity that could have slipped by, and did it well.	JohnnyLib2	Jul 2013	#75
+1	Blue_Tires	Jul 2013	#76
I'm just ready to burst with love and respect for Mr. President today.	Bette Noir	Jul 2013	#79
k&r...	spanone	Jul 2013	#80
What he said about race was awesome,	Vattel	Jul 2013	#82
I think having the specific and traumatic incident gave it power it wouldn't have had.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#90
I agree with you that he took a stand on certain issues concerning race and the law,	Vattel	Jul 2013	#95
I don't think he should have. It's inappropriate and he's addressing the bigger picture.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#96
My problem with what he did	Vattel	Jul 2013	#100
Okay, I accept that.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#113
I was yelling 'He went there!'. This is the conversation I was waiting for!!!	SaveAmerica	Jul 2013	#94
Pres.Obama is a man of integrity	c588415	Jul 2013	#97
I knew it had to have been a speech before I even clicked.	Bonobo	Jul 2013	#98
I thought leaders were to inspire others	treestar	Jul 2013	#110
Not always. Ask Lilly Ledbetter and Judge Kagan and my son with the pre-existing.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#120
Just as we new it would be a petty whine about the President when we saw your name appear nt	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#151
I applaud Obama for mentioning Trayvon Martin.... On the other hand	Bonobo	Jul 2013	#99
This is a conversation we all need	etherealtruth	Jul 2013	#104
Agreed nolabear!	tweeternik	Jul 2013	#108
K & R	Scurrilous	Jul 2013	#109
This felt equal in importance to the Gettysburg Address	steve2470	Jul 2013	#112
And 25 years ago he could have been one of the millions of recreational pot smokers that	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#119
huh?	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#123
Yes, because his point about "that could have been me" is just as applicable.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#124
You can divert the topic in myriad ways with that argument. Doesn't help either way.	nolabear	Jul 2013	#126
Sorry, but if he's going to bring up what "could have been me", I can't simply suspend the knowledge	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#128
except that 25 years ago there was less chance of being arrested. and 'three strikes' laws	HiPointDem	Jul 2013	#141
How dare that black man talk about race without addressing your pet issue! nt	geek tragedy	Jul 2013	#150
Right. I just want a pony.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#193
apparently you didn't listen to speech...there was reference to drugs/arrests/race	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#203
So does that mean that from here on out Holder won't be letting SWAT teams break down doors to	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#214
why do you keep changing the subject?	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#216
right, sure, you've got my number.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#217
you can quit with the martyr syndrome any time now.	Sheepshank	Jul 2013	#218
fine.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2013	#219
The search for why "Obama did it wrong" continues ...	JoePhilly	Jul 2013	#226
Recommended (nt)	NYC_SKP	Jul 2013	#121
While I get frustrated at many of his political ways	tavalon	Jul 2013	#125
K & R	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#127
it was a rare and beautiful thing to hear the unvarnished truth spoken from the heart and experience	BREMPRO	Jul 2013	#129
Thanks again, nolabear.	Hekate	Jul 2013	#131
Yes,it was needed	DonCoquixote	Jul 2013	#137
I think so	MichaelKelley	Jul 2013	#142
That was one for the ages.	alphafemale	Jul 2013	#145
"inviting and refusing to hate back."	Rebellious Republican	Jul 2013	#148
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2013	#153
Say what?	Raine1967	Jul 2013	#160
Obama is black and white	NOLALady	Jul 2013	#162
I think you miss the point. The subjective experience of being a black man in America	nolabear	Jul 2013	#192
"Hispanic" is not a race. nt	BumRushDaShow	Jul 2013	#201
President Obama's shining example	IrishAyes	Jul 2013	#157
K&R	BumRushDaShow	Jul 2013	#188
I love my president.	bravenak	Jul 2013	#190
Kick for nolabear	Cha	Jul 2013	#220

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