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In reply to the discussion: No. One. Knows. [View all]

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
34. I'll thank you not to tell me what I do and don't know
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

And having watched every minute of this trial it was more than those jurors did since I got to also watch all the arguments and ruling they weren't entitled to know about.

I don't need to know exactly what happened in order to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and neither does anyone else. Since when is the standard to find a defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt required to have video and audio of the crime? What an asinine thing to say. Guilty or not guilty decisions are based on the EVIDENCE or lack there of. The evidence in this case very clearly showed Zimmerman to be lying about what happened which is backed up by testimony, physical evidence and mostly his own words. he lied repeatedly. He changed his story many times. He went on national tv and claimed to no nothing about the Stand Your Ground law when he took classes concerning the legalities of self-defense including the Stand Your Ground law in Florida as was testified to by his teacher he gave him an "A" for the class.

He lied about why he got out of the car. He lied about following Martin, he lied about pursuing Martin during those 2 minutes, lied about catching up to Martin, and lied about who confronted who. He lied about how he got his injuries that is backed up by his own actions, the fact that they were no where near the sidewalk when he shot Martin so he could not have had his head hit on concrete, and he himself did not believe he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm which is why he lied about how he got those insignificant injuries, and he could not have found them to be significant because he refused medical treatment for them until he went to work the next day and was told he would not be allowed to return to work without seeing a doctor. That doctor testified that his injuries were so insignificant that he didn't even require a band-aid, and that he refused to have his nose x-rayed to discover whether or not it was broken, his nose was never fixed, is perfectly straight and he has no complaints of breathing problems indicating a deviated septum. He even lied to his doctor telling her that EMS told him his nose was broken when they said no such thing.

Moreover, he lied about how they came into contact claiming first that Martin jumped out of bushes near him and ambushed him by punching him in the face then when realizing there was nothing even resembling a bush anywhere near where the incident took place changed his story to Martin just appeared out of nowhere, they exchanged words and then Martin hit him. The physical evidence goes a long way in refuting his claim of being attacked as Martin was holding his cellphone, was engaged in a conversation on it with his friend Rachel, and was wearing his headset. No reasonable person would believe that he started a physical confrontation with Zimmerman while having a phone conversation with a friend, holding his phone and wearing his headset. Both his phone and his headset were found in the grass next to his body, and Rachel's phone logs clearly show that this is what occurred.

Further, he lied about where his gun was in the position that he and Martin were in when he claims to have pulled it out and shot him because in that position with Martin sitting on him with his legs straddling him, it was physically impossible for him to have gotten his gun out, therefore, the gun had to have already been out during the struggle and was likely the reason for the struggle. Zimmerman's own numerous lies proven by the evidence and his own actions and words prove that he is guilty... there is no other reason to lie about what happened other than to cover up what REALLY happened.

With the jury instructions the jury was given they could easily found him guilty of at least manslaughter had they actually looked at the evidence instead of believing erroneously that Zimmerman was in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. His numerous lies, the position of the body in relation to the sidewalk, his insignificant injuries which he claimed were acquired by having his head smashed on the sidewalk he was nowhere near over 20 times and having his face punched 35-40 times.

Because the jury was incapable of looking at the evidence objectively and coming to the obvious conclusions that everyone was able to do they decided he really was in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm despite the evidence to the contrary and found him not guilty.

And you'll notice I didn't say SHIT about race here. Zimmerman did indeed profile Martin as is abundantly clear from his own words with the dispatcher, but not JUST because he was black. Because Martin was black, young, male and wore typical clothing of the average teenager whatever their race Zimmerman decided that he was a criminal intent on robbing homes because that was the very basic description of the teenager who had just recently been caught for robberies in the neighborhood and by someone who was NOT Zimmerman. And what was it that Zimmerman found so suspicious about Martin? That he was walking in the drizzling rain while wearing his hood over his head. That's IT. When questioned by the police as to why he believed that Martin was acting suspiciously that's all he had to offer. When asked why he thought Martin was on drugs as he said to the dispatcher he had no answer at all to offer.

Again, I'll thank you very much to not make stupid and uninformed claims about what the people here know about this case or how much of it they watched and blame US who HAVE been diligently processing everything about this case for pointing the finger at those imbeciles on the jury who could have EASILY come to at least a manslaughter verdict had they bothered to pay as much attention to the evidence as we did, and it wasn't even OUR civic duty.

That idiotic buffoon of a juror that went on CNN to be interviewed clearly slept through the entire trial as soooo much of it she got completely wrong including ignoring the judge's admonition to disregard the testimony of Serino when he said that he believed that Zimmerman was truthful and admitted in that interview that not only did she not disregard it, she said that it was a BIG reason she decided he wasn't guilty. She claimed that it was pouring rain and late at night which NEITHER side reported - the only place that came about was on the news and the internet that she claimed in voir dire she knew nothing about. She claimed that the friend of Zimmerman's that was a Vietnam vet and testified that he knew about screams from men in military combat was actually the medical examiner! And because she believe erroneously and for no good reason that he was the ME she gave his testimony great weight.

Your DAMN right I blame those imbecile jurors for not doing their sworn duty and judging by the evidence which was CLEAR and exactly why so many people all over the country are LIVID about the verdict.

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No. One. Knows. [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 OP
"... He had a gun, which MAY have emboldened him..." Electric Monk Jul 2013 #1
i have jury duty next week which i don't want to do , so that's not an excuse for me, b37 is a JI7 Jul 2013 #2
He is complaining about how DUers complain. Rex Jul 2013 #4
LOL cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #10
My point is you are doing nothing original. Rex Jul 2013 #37
My point is blaming the jury for their verdict is wrong. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #6
she thought Zimmerman's friend was the Medical examiner , she tried to get a book deal out of this JI7 Jul 2013 #8
we know the family is racist, the brother compared Trayvon to the black kid who shot the baby in the JI7 Jul 2013 #3
Well the one juror's first reaction was to make money off of a book deal. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #5
Isn't there a call for protests in 100 cities this weekend? Aren't there agents provocateurs ready cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #7
Of course you would. Rex Jul 2013 #9
Tell me why I shouldn't profit from a life experience that was thrust upon me. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #11
If you're a red-blooded capitalist ready to vampire off the death of black youth... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #16
No I won't tell you that, those are life experiences one Rex Jul 2013 #36
Ok but that makes her a money grubber and in your Op you complained about that I think. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #13
people are called for jury duty all over the country all the time JI7 Jul 2013 #14
No one seeks it out. Seeking jury duty would be useless. Doesn't happen. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #17
It is not useless if she wanted to make money off it. She got that deal very quickly. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #21
It's not about seeking it out. It's about having the opportunity dropped in your lap. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #22
there were people who tried to get on for the Zimmerman trial JI7 Jul 2013 #23
How may of them did, and what were there names? I'd trumpet them from my own roof. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #25
i don't know how many but this was during jury selection they reported about JI7 Jul 2013 #28
Those 6 women absolutely were complicit in a severe miscarriage of justice. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #12
Where do I find the class that teaches me the clairvoyance necessary to make that claim? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #15
If you think it requires clairvoyance, then you are not paying attention. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #18
No, it simply requires the ability to know the mind of another... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #24
A group of white people serve an injustice against a black victim. Welcome to reality. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #26
You gotta stop thinking the Trayvon's of the world are likely guilty. Hoyt Jul 2013 #27
They were in essence bullied. Although even then they are culpable... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #31
No. One. Knows. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #19
I don't. Neither do you. Hence the post. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #20
You are missing the point tkmorris Jul 2013 #30
"This weekend, there will be violence in 100 cities... bank on it." Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #29
No, to beleive Zimmerman's story, and ignore any evidence or testimony to the contrary... killbotfactory Jul 2013 #32
Wow angrychair Jul 2013 #33
I'll thank you not to tell me what I do and don't know TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #34
Excellent post. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #35
You won. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #38
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