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17. Can't have the Insurance Industry Subsidy Act accidentally helping non-profit plans...

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:39 AM

Jul 2013

Though I suppose many here will be happy to throw the unions under the bus and call them nonsensical names for daring to question the corporatist party line.

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Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Of course this is a horrific corporate monstrosity. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #1

Bingo. Scuba Jul 2013 #4

And which 60 Senators would have voted for Medicare for All? pnwmom Jul 2013 #149

The problem is that Medicare is perceived as fiscally unsustainable, as is. MH1 Jul 2013 #154

Buy-in Medicare for all ErikJ Jul 2013 #169

This law will allow me to buy medical insurance again. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #192

Because wanting a real system means I want you dead. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #193

They never loved him anyway. JoeyT Jul 2013 #2

This fits right in with the comments at the article. cui bono Jul 2013 #94

knr forestpath Jul 2013 #3

But..but...can't he just sign an executive order davidpdx Jul 2013 #5

O.K. everyone, let's start digging into these guys personal lives. vi5 Jul 2013 #6

I take it you're not a morning person. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #10

+1 L0oniX Jul 2013 #46

James P. Hoffa ?? really? n/t Locrian Jul 2013 #7

Yeah, really. Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #25

just an infamous name... any relation? Locrian Jul 2013 #56

Yes, that's his father who was also Teamsters pres Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

well, look who just caught up Doctor_J Jul 2013 #64

Yeah, he's my union president Generic Other Jul 2013 #77

The ACA was a disaster from the get-go Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #8

It was a scam from the get-go. woo me with science Jul 2013 #65

Which is why the insurance companies were the ones with the back door deal. cui bono Jul 2013 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #176

Uh huh. Cool story! Yet all my Canadian friends are very pleased with their system. uppityperson Aug 2013 #178

Bless Your Heart.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #180

Welcome to DU. Using a moniker that is JimDandy Aug 2013 #183

They're just racist libertarian Paul-bots. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #9

the veneer is starting to crack, the rot inside exposed. KG Jul 2013 #11

the unions need to separate themselves from the democratic party and form a labor party leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #12

I have noticed Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #14

Yeah! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #16

we are already divided - go along to get along isnt helping leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #34

because shuddup, that's why. frylock Jul 2013 #60

we're already divided, unity is a two way street. Sirveri Jul 2013 #118

+1,000,000 zeeland Jul 2013 #63

Isn't this the part about the outrageously expensive health plans Progressive dog Jul 2013 #13

So unions should STFU? blackspade Jul 2013 #18

No, a tweak is not removing the tax Progressive dog Jul 2013 #21

That is not a progressive tax. blackspade Jul 2013 #74

Look up progressive ta/. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #82

Excessive tax free benefits? blackspade Jul 2013 #110

Lowest common denominator at 2x average Progressive dog Jul 2013 #111

Your entitled to your opinion. blackspade Jul 2013 #114

No it wouldn't, it would increase the cost of Progressive dog Jul 2013 #126

That is your opinion. blackspade Jul 2013 #129

Not an opinion, it is fact that Progressive dog Jul 2013 #130

What exactly is an exceptionally generous healthcare plan? Generic Other Jul 2013 #79

Do you know what people in other developed countries call those "Cadillac" plans? eridani Jul 2013 #112

yep, even folks in Canada BUY their own "Cadillac" plans. Schema Thing Jul 2013 #115

Yes, they buy them with their taxes eridani Jul 2013 #125

Sounds like you favor a "race to the bottom" with healthcare plans Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #80

Hoffa knew the law when it was written. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #89

What deductions? Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #93

$25,200 per year for a family plan Progressive dog Jul 2013 #128

No mention of lowlife scab assholes in the ACA either. Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #132

Scab is a strike breaker Progressive dog Jul 2013 #133

Some people just lack the opportunity but still deserve the name Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #139

What an oppressed baby. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #146

Do you know what people in the rest of the developed world call those "gold-plated" plans? eridani Jul 2013 #113

Do you know we have ACA and the letter from Hoffa Progressive dog Jul 2013 #127

Every other developed country citizen gets the equivalent of our "wealthy" plans eridani Jul 2013 #142

So what, which of those other countries does Hoffa think he lives in? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #145

Other countries control health care costs through global budgeting eridani Jul 2013 #148

Again so what, that doesn't address Progressive dog Jul 2013 #150

And you are advocating for a race to the bottom where everyone gets worse eridani Jul 2013 #167

No I'm not, you are advocating a tiered health system Progressive dog Jul 2013 #168

No other country has parasitic insurance companies gouging obscene profits Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #152

I thought we were talking about Hoffa's special health care Progressive dog Jul 2013 #153

The only thing they could achieve is repea Progressive dog Jul 2013 #39

A corporate union rep? blackspade Jul 2013 #73

James Hoffa, the writer of the piece Progressive dog Jul 2013 #85

I have to repeat the question... what the hell is that? cui bono Jul 2013 #97

Labor unions are corporations. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #98

Unions are a democracy.. We vote for our leaders. Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #99

There's a Teamsters for a democratic union group Progressive dog Jul 2013 #105

*sigh* cui bono Jul 2013 #103

LOLWHUT. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #134

Look it up and Hoffa is President of one. nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #135

Look it up yourself. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #137

This is not about unions, this is about Hoffa Progressive dog Jul 2013 #138

You sound pretty bitter Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #81

James Hoffa is an nexample of a corporate Progressive dog Jul 2013 #83

You are clueless Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #96

It's the Teamsters that supported Reagan Progressive dog Jul 2013 #100

Obama didn't hold it against the Teamsters when they endorsed him Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #101

Ok until 2008, the Teamsters supported drilling in ANWAR. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #104

Nothing about mobsters? Thugs? Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #106

Not yet, a lot of Kennedys liked Progressive dog Jul 2013 #107

How does that work? freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #19

The law is in place, there is no way to change irt now. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #20

Oh, I thought you said the "more real objection" might be freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #22

We should wait until the law is in place Progressive dog Jul 2013 #24

You just said the law is in place. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #26

I should have said until the law is Progressive dog Jul 2013 #29

Thanks for asking. That was rhetorical. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #32

Haven't been following the news, have you? brentspeak Jul 2013 #27

Already planning Progressive dog Jul 2013 #31

I've found that in many cases, "something" is NOT better than "nothing," because Nay Jul 2013 #156

Wel Congress and the President thinks the ACA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #161

No zipplewrath Jul 2013 #35

This says it all. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #38

Why do you assume these workers are "high wage" earners. Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #45

Because they have expensive health plans Progressive dog Jul 2013 #51

Those union members aren't necessarily "high wage earners" zipplewrath Jul 2013 #47

Teamsters with high priced (taxable) health insurance Progressive dog Jul 2013 #50

Not anymore zipplewrath Jul 2013 #54

Link to teamsters contracts Progressive dog Jul 2013 #55

So screw 'em to the wall? zipplewrath Jul 2013 #66

Scabs who trash unions Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #84

You don't know what a scab is. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #86

I wanted to use asshole but though better of it Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #88

Yes you are Progressive dog Jul 2013 #91

You go, Jeff. Nay Jul 2013 #157

Can we get links to non-union contracts? cui bono Jul 2013 #102

I've never understood where that $40 an hour came from KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 #140

4 percent right now Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #40

4 percent of what zipplewrath Jul 2013 #49

Exactly. I bet Walmart is one, and they are the largest employer in the US. nt Nay Jul 2013 #159

Everyone has their price. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #15

and I guess we know yours.. frylock Jul 2013 #62

Not everyone. Fearless Jul 2013 #69

Can't have the Insurance Industry Subsidy Act accidentally helping non-profit plans... a2liberal Jul 2013 #17

Oh, those stupid stupid Union people. Don't they know that the ACA is perfect in every way? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #23

the administration can't afford this loss. cali Jul 2013 #28

I thought that the Unions were in support of Obamacare? Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #37

They read it ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #41

If unions wanted exemptions from the ACA. vi5 Jul 2013 #48

I really hope no one is surprised about this. Brickbat Jul 2013 #30

Unions are opposed to anything ProSense Jul 2013 #33

Very interesting point. Makes the letter in the OP look like crocodile tears. nt. MH1 Jul 2013 #155

K&R'd! snot Jul 2013 #36

When the ACA was passed edhopper Jul 2013 #42

Thank you. That's been my point for a while. The ACA is not just a diversion from the Nay Jul 2013 #162

So should we get behind the republicans? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #43

I guess if you meet the criteria Hoffa has put forward. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44

It has helped me and that is all that matters. frylock Jul 2013 #61

As my out of pocket expenses spiral ever upward I'll take solace in what you wrote. pa28 Aug 2013 #194

It's sure not gonna hurt MY life. Access to healthcare via decent insurance kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #52

Adjuncts are already being hit with hour reductions. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #53

The UFCW spent years selling out part time employees Trekologer Jul 2013 #57

But we'll blame them for next November's catastrophe Doctor_J Jul 2013 #59

A letter from Jimmy Hoffa's son Rex Jul 2013 #67

Wow, just wow Fearless Jul 2013 #70

So who wants single payer now? Fearless Jul 2013 #68

Always wanted single payer option and saw the writting on the wall Rex Jul 2013 #71

It would Fearless Jul 2013 #72

Me! Me! Me! roamer65 Jul 2013 #90

Sure. Let's do it Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #120

By getting them to stand against it Fearless Jul 2013 #123

Corporations recieved consideration regarding the employer mandate Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #75

That is odd IMO. Why only give concessions to opponents? dkf Jul 2013 #76

It is odd isn't it. But not a surprise Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #78

"a hint that a Republican wrote this steaming pile of a law"???? dflprincess Jul 2013 #109

The fix for this steaming pile of dog duty... roamer65 Jul 2013 #87

K & R & AzDar Jul 2013 #92

Soon there will be only seven Democrats in the US that have not been... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #108

Exactly. When are we going to wise up? I'm beyond disgusted, into fire-breathing territory. nt Nay Jul 2013 #165

First they suppressed wages, now they are gutting benefits. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #116

So now you like Unions? Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #117

Seriously. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #122

LOL Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #141

Case by case basis...sometimes unions overreach and sometimes their issues are completely legitimate dkf Jul 2013 #147

Spot on - you are fucking laughable Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #170

I do agree with the letter... dkf Jul 2013 #171

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #119

Riiiiight. Tell it to THIS girl JaneyVee Jul 2013 #121

K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #144

kick n/t ChazII Jul 2013 #124

kick progressoid Jul 2013 #131

Union bashing in half the responses on a supposedly Democratic website. Astonishing. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #136

Stunning isn't it? pa28 Aug 2013 #191

International Brotherhood of Teamsters B Calm Jul 2013 #143

They also supported Vietnam. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #160

One partial solution is to define 25-hrs./week as full time. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #151

Then there will suddenly be a lot of service workers Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #158

Maybe, but a lot of places can't run with just pt help. Deep13 Jul 2013 #164

But...But...But...private enterprise can do tsuki Jul 2013 #163

Obama to Union: $orry, I'm too busy cajoling Repugs to accept chained CPI to read your letter. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #166

Forgot Dear Leader Boehner. Fail. n/t Orsino Jul 2013 #172

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #173

Cool Story, Bro.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #174

He's a Libertarian. FRP, eh? uppityperson Aug 2013 #182

Shocked I Am, Ma'am, Stunned To Learn It, I Tell You.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #184

I got chided for my alert. uppityperson Aug 2013 #185

Sounds Like Some Real Duds And Duffi Drawing Duty Today, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #188

And An Epic Jury Fail, Too, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2013 #186

Uh huh. Huh. Tell us, who did you support for Pres last election. And uh. huh. uppityperson Aug 2013 #175

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #179

FRP. This is Democratic Underground, not RP underground. FRP. eom uppityperson Aug 2013 #181

Jury + MIRT solves another problem in record time! Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #187

Not One To Crow About, Sir, This Episode: Took Three Swings, Shouldn't Have Taken More Than One The Magistrate Aug 2013 #190

Luckily I was just one of the jurors and am not on the MIRT team.... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #195

ACA will save $300 billion a year by 2020 NoOneMan Aug 2013 #177

The entire law is a Republican concept. Now we're shocked it's being used as a tool to hurt labor. pa28 Aug 2013 #189