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81. Tourism is one of the most environmentally damaging industies there is

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:58 AM

Jul 2013

Huge amounts of fossil fuel and cabon emissions for travel. Lots of land use with highly modified landscapes and high usage of pesticides and herbicides. Lots of energy to operate hotels and attractions.

And it provides no economically useful outcome, just a temporary titilation.

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Stand Your Ground With Trayvon -- Tourism Boycott of Florida [View all] ignatzmouse Jul 2013 OP

I TOTALLY agree with this because it's the one thing they understand. MONEY Ecumenist Jul 2013 #1

Absolutely! This has to happen. CTyankee Jul 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author UserNSAv32 Jul 2013 #3

When the state fills up with brown shirted people wearing their logos... Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #23

Good. Let them shoot each other. Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #85

Even more reason to stay away. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #146

Stand your ground was not used as a defense in this case Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #4

It damn sure was in the background, and is the way Florida defines self-defense. Hoyt Jul 2013 #32

You're wrong. It was used in the judges instruction. vaberella Jul 2013 #40

No. Self defense was in the jury instructions. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #45

So you believe Zimmerman was defending himself from a bag of Skittles? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #65

Who threw the first punch? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #66

We see you DainBramaged Jul 2013 #68

It is legal to murder someone mzmolly Jul 2013 #90

As was stand your mzmolly Jul 2013 #88

Yes, by the judge. vaberella Jul 2013 #103

Without Stand Your Ground this case would have NEVER gotten any national headlines ShadowLiberal Jul 2013 #70

boycotting won't do shit except hurt working people who had nothing to do with the trial. KG Jul 2013 #5

wah wah maybe they should change their racist law HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11

oh, an ignorant, hateful reply. how quaint. KG Jul 2013 #17

hateful? that's ironic under the circumstances HiPointDem Jul 2013 #19

I represent a lot of Floridians for the oil spill. Many are Democrats who are still waiting after 3 Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #78

Yes, spending in states where the people are actually represented. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #126

Then why are the poorest states the reddest ones? DirkGently Jul 2013 #131

Absolutely right. I live in New Orleans it literally supports Lousiana. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #133

You've convinced me. I'm up for boycotting after your searing profundity Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #59

Ask him if you should boycott NC as well. FBaggins Jul 2013 #89

Guess they need to change the political structure then. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #123

Hey! come out to California AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #114

Cool! I will do that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #122

That's a cheap shot AK. Floridians hate Asians? DirkGently Jul 2013 #132

I NEVER SAID THAT .... AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #135

And you repeated it like it had some bearing. It does not. DirkGently Jul 2013 #137

And that is your opinion. AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #138

The implication Florida is racist in general is what you communicated DirkGently Jul 2013 #140

Hey...I am the first to admit AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #141

California is where the cops who beat Rodney King were set free, no? cigsandcoffee Jul 2013 #158

You realize self defense is legal in all 50 states, and has always been that way. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #27

unless of course you're defending yourself from a stalker with a gun HiPointDem Jul 2013 #28

Orwellian? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #44

orwellian. war = peace, murder = self-defense HiPointDem Jul 2013 #145

That's kinda interesting idea Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #166

+1 Civilization2 Jul 2013 #49

Sure, but this jury didn't have to believe Z's claim of it. I mean, what ELSE was he going to say? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #51

That was a ridiculous reply.. Just FYI Agschmid Jul 2013 #96

Which racist law would that be, genius? DirkGently Jul 2013 #134

You know, we hear variations of this all the time. "Don't tax the wealthy; you'll hurt the poor guys WinkyDink Jul 2013 #50

I've vacationed in Florida twice in my life, both times at Disney World. PADemD Jul 2013 #6

Disneyland in California is much better anyway. emsimon33 Jul 2013 #170

Florida fucked up! I won't go there again until something changes. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #7

The people of Florida charged him with murder FBaggins Jul 2013 #8

the 'people' only charged him after being forced to. so fuck florida. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #9

After being forced to.... FBaggins Jul 2013 #14

no, actually, by the people of the nation. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15

You don't get to make up your own facts FBaggins Jul 2013 #26

just go away baggins; the campaign was NATIONAL & florida was forced into it because it WAS HiPointDem Jul 2013 #29

Grow up FBaggins Jul 2013 #31

Calm down. Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #80

What gave you the impression that I wasn't calm? FBaggins Jul 2013 #87

Which is not the same as finding him innocent or that avebury Jul 2013 #21

I'm sorry. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #10

Florida has very large Latino, Haitian, and Black populations that are thinly registered. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20

But most of whom live in Miami. And I can say it's hard to get Haitians to vote. n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #41

NO... handmade34 Jul 2013 #12

Why not rally around gun control instead? BainsBane Jul 2013 #13

Felon disenfranchisement is a big problem. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #24

I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, the people making the rules benefit MH1 Jul 2013 #34

You sure got that right! nt raccoon Jul 2013 #42

I agree completely BainsBane Jul 2013 #35

2 states felons to vote unrestricted... Agschmid Jul 2013 #99

The New Jim Crow MH1 Jul 2013 #33

Absolutely BainsBane Jul 2013 #37

Yes. By the way, there is a book titled "The New Jim Crow" MH1 Jul 2013 #38

Interestingly BainsBane Jul 2013 #39

This chart shows disenfranchisement in voting by state... Agschmid Jul 2013 #101

Thank you BainsBane Jul 2013 #157

Forget boycotts. Find groups in Florida that are working to register Black and Latino bluestate10 Jul 2013 #16

Registering voters is an excellent, positive thing that people can do. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #25

Registering is a good step, how about if another Katherine Harris pulls raccoon Jul 2013 #43

This is not an anomaly, this is another crazy verdict made because of the existing laws. eilen Jul 2013 #18

Push back against the emboldened tide of racists ignatzmouse Jul 2013 #22

And the conservatives will then flock their in droves ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #30

So? Nothing's stopping them now. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #52

Most states have some version of SYG aikoaiko Jul 2013 #36

Your point? This was not part of the case. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #54

My point being that SYG is the law in many states, maybe even the OP's aikoaiko Jul 2013 #71

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #46

Florida's citizens - those who can vote, anyway - elected the schmucks MH1 Jul 2013 #48

Florida is the state that lets people like George Zimmerman carry a gun. PADemD Jul 2013 #62

Florida Florida Florida The Wizard Jul 2013 #47

I am with you, I avoid the old Confederacy who are increasingly dependant on tourism. gordianot Jul 2013 #64

I've been boycotting Florida for over a decade now. morningfog Jul 2013 #53

We too. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #58

My family has, too. We will continue to do so, Pathwalker Jul 2013 #93

Nope... Pelican Jul 2013 #55

Consider it done. 99Forever Jul 2013 #56

You won't catch me in Florida! Maineman Jul 2013 #57

The only place in FL I'd want to go to isn't really FL-Key West. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #60

I'm not real crazy about Florida anyway. All the states that have "stand your ground" laws should spicegal Jul 2013 #61

Zimmerman is going to wish sorefeet Jul 2013 #63

+100! LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #67

I hope facebook lights up like Christmas over this Whisp Jul 2013 #69

Really? Is that going to stop hate and racism? KaryninMiami Jul 2013 #72

+1 n/t handmade34 Jul 2013 #73

People don't want to visit dangerous places RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #86

Please give me and Florida a break KaryninMiami Jul 2013 #110

Nope. Not even a little bit. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #147

Blacks will be doing this already. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #74

Great idea! another_liberal Jul 2013 #75

I've been boycotting that place since Election Theft 2000. MoonRiver Jul 2013 #76

I started my Florida tourism boycott in 2000 City Lights Jul 2013 #77

I'm there. Hell will freeze over before I visit that state. Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #79

Tourism is one of the most environmentally damaging industies there is FarCenter Jul 2013 #81

When Colorado passed Amendment 2 so many years ago.. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #82

I wouldn't vacation there, anyway. It's muggy and hot. (oops...no pun intended!) nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #83

I sure as shit am not going to Florida RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #84

Your state has the same type of law used in this case, genius. DirkGently Jul 2013 #91

Yep! Phentex Jul 2013 #92

FALSE! SYG came into play the night of the murder Blackford Jul 2013 #97

And that changed what, exactly? DirkGently Jul 2013 #98

It altered how the police handled the investigation from the opening moments Blackford Jul 2013 #102

That's a pretty tough case to make. The initial investigator DirkGently Jul 2013 #116

yet saw no need to check and see if he was under the influence of any substance.... Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #117

Really? You're rolling your little cartoon eyes on the idea Zim was DRUNK? DirkGently Jul 2013 #118

Trayvon...you might remember him. He was the VICTIM Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #124

Has nothing to do with how the case turned out. DirkGently Jul 2013 #130

We were going to the Keys this fall walkerbait41 Jul 2013 #94

Yes, perhaps Mickey Mouse would then exert some NRA-type pressure on Tallahassee. sadbear Jul 2013 #95

Don't count on it. Disney is ALEC, through & through. DirkGently Jul 2013 #100

Then which boycotts are not moronic? sadbear Jul 2013 #105

I wouldn't give Disney my money. DirkGently Jul 2013 #106

Why? Making the conscious decision to go to California (or anywhere else) instead of Florida.... sadbear Jul 2013 #108

Because you can't punish the "politics of the state?" DirkGently Jul 2013 #109

If voters punish lawmakers, you can punish the politics of the state. sadbear Jul 2013 #111

Then boycott "America." If you want Florida politics to change DirkGently Jul 2013 #112

I live in Texas. sadbear Jul 2013 #113

I support progressives, wherever they are. State boycotts are stupid. DirkGently Jul 2013 #115

I disagree. Voters need to know that their votes have consequences. sadbear Jul 2013 #120

You can't communicate that by boycotting a state. DirkGently Jul 2013 #121

Sure you can. sadbear Jul 2013 #143

No one's going to vote differently based on such nonsense. DirkGently Jul 2013 #144

It's not just me. sadbear Jul 2013 #148

Change what law? You're not making any sense here. DirkGently Jul 2013 #149

Sorry, dude. Just like us Texans, you Floridians have elected a bunch of right-wing assholes. sadbear Jul 2013 #150

I rather think we are paying the consequences. Why do you DirkGently Jul 2013 #151

Go read the thread again. I've already answered that. sadbear Jul 2013 #152

Yes, you & your specious argument are quite done. DirkGently Jul 2013 #153

That's fine. sadbear Jul 2013 #154

That's okay. No "boycott" will occur. Idiots will still hate "states" of course. DirkGently Jul 2013 #156

The boycott has already started. sadbear Jul 2013 #159

Oh my god. I hope I have time to escape before the sadbear money dries up. DirkGently Jul 2013 #160

I'm beginning to wonder about your comprehension skills. sadbear Jul 2013 #161

It's what the thread is about. So the OP is wrong? DirkGently Jul 2013 #162

Floriduh, Texass, The United Throwbacks of America... polichick Jul 2013 #104

When Disney World feels a pinch, we might see some change, so hell yeah. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #107

There isn't any significant tourism going on in Seminole County. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #119

Yep. If you're mad at conservatives, fund progressives. DirkGently Jul 2013 #125

They overlook the obvious. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #129

I refused to stop in Sanford HockeyMom Jul 2013 #139

I know. That's the natural reaction. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #142

Sanford is 4 or 5 miles off the Interstate. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #163

Coming up 75 North from Naples HockeyMom Jul 2013 #165

I don't know why you don't take I-10. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #172

Not going to FL, don't want to be shot... Deep13 Jul 2013 #127

A lot of Floridians hate tourists but eventually... polichick Jul 2013 #128

FL conservatives sweat when FL liberals have funding. DirkGently Jul 2013 #136

Florida Orange Juice olddots Jul 2013 #155

I hereby pledge that my chances of ever setting foot in Florida again is less than indepat Jul 2013 #164

No kidding! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #167

A moment to move ignatzmouse Jul 2013 #168

Seems to me that Florida has given people a license to kill emsimon33 Jul 2013 #169

Of course. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #171