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"...no injuries besides the gunshot wound" Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #1
I don't think he is required to. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #7
Yes burnodo Jul 2013 #12
You think that Martin would have been justified... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #18
According to your logic, absolutely Hugabear Jul 2013 #32
self defense apparently only applies to paranoid gun-humping racists, Hugabear Skittles Jul 2013 #45
Exactly! Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #73
I honestly do believe it is racism Skittles Jul 2013 #79
I considered it until I heard that Zimmerman was safe inside his 2 ton steel vehicle, with locking GoneFishin Jul 2013 #274
Zimmerman used a Kel-Tec PF-9 which has no manual safety. ... spin Jul 2013 #283
Thanks for the information. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #285
No problem. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #289
True. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #101
According to my logic... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #49
Zimmerman is the one who brought up race Hugabear Jul 2013 #55
Was the neighborhood that Zimmerman lived in Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #212
No. Igel Jul 2013 #245
Just being beaten does not legally allow you to shoot someone. Just Saying Jul 2013 #56
Bingo Old Codger Jul 2013 #65
I'm pretty sure if you're being beaten... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #68
If Zimmerman hadn't been there, there'd be no problem burnodo Jul 2013 #76
What I said is what the law says. Just Saying Jul 2013 #111
Your reasoning only goes ONE WAY? What do you teach YOUR children? blm Jul 2013 #146
he's not naturally high, he's huffing paint thinner to be posting that shit. nt dionysus Jul 2013 #301
depends on what you mean by 'just being beaten' anomiep Jul 2013 #82
What percentage are assaulted with guns? Just Saying Jul 2013 #117
I'm not suggesting you 'buy into' anything anomiep Jul 2013 #171
Actually ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #183
So... deathrind Jul 2013 #71
It's worse DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #126
they have to be REASONABLY afraid of grievous bodily harm or death.... with a CREDIBLE bettyellen Jul 2013 #199
The evidence does not prove that Zimmrman was getting beaten to death. Rather an impossibity. lumpy Jul 2013 #204
Because he's a wimp? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #239
Something tells me CatWoman Jul 2013 #250
Maybe that indicates that Martin feared a gun shot. lumpy Jul 2013 #292
If someone is stalking you at night with a gun... jberryhill Jul 2013 #278
Yes, at least until you have gotten away. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #280
My general understanding... jberryhill Jul 2013 #287
With a gun. Control-Z Jul 2013 #80
If George Zimmerman was a fit black guy who stalked a smaller white teenager and shot OregonBlue Jul 2013 #115
While I am not defending Zimmerman ... spin Jul 2013 #288
Are you certain that Z didn't already have that gun out for Martin to see? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #135
Am I certain? Not at all. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #141
Agree, and I *do* doubt that Martin attacked him. Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #152
No, I don't think he had his gun out. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #158
Are you saying that two people don't struggle for a gun? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #161
all WHAT injuries?????? CatWoman Jul 2013 #163
Until you've had the same injuries inflicted on you... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #168
i've been in fights and had injuries far, far worse than that bullshit CatWoman Jul 2013 #172
Good for you. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #176
you heaven05 Jul 2013 #209
You got that right...I have been if a few... slor Jul 2013 #277
A few little boo-boos that look more like a fight with a kitten, polly7 Jul 2013 #175
lol CatWoman Jul 2013 #190
His injuries are NOT consistent with his testimony Hugabear Jul 2013 #177
Grass stains on Z's jacket and T's knees at trial ksoze Jul 2013 #180
As one who has had such injuries inflicted on me I can tell you Dragonfli Jul 2013 #260
You are wasting time trying to have a discussion based on logic and reason BlueStreak Jul 2013 #181
Actually, BlueStreak, I have changed my opinion somewhat. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #211
There are certain things that common sense should tell us BlueStreak Jul 2013 #238
Very flawed logic Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #256
The flaw is in the Florida law, not in my reasoning. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #296
"Read more about Martin's background"? As if that somehow made killing him more justifiable? nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #300
Certainly you know that smoking pot makes one fair game for murder. EOTE Jul 2013 #315
I'm still waiting for the guy to explain what he meant. Somehow I don't think he will. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #319
I think he just realized just why looking into Trayvon's background made his murder acceptable. EOTE Jul 2013 #321
Martin wasn't beating zimmerman brush Jul 2013 #233
++ Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #298
So Zimmerman was justified in stalking and murdering an unarmed, innocent teen. EOTE Jul 2013 #314
Minor boo-boos are NOT an ass-kicking. tblue37 Jul 2013 #35
Trayvon wasn't Skittles, he was just carrying them. Scratches and a bump. I could have killed the bettyellen Jul 2013 #200
Huh? Your post doesn't make any sense in response to mine. tblue37 Jul 2013 #207
Sorry, Skittles is the name of our own beloved ass-kicker here at DU. bettyellen Jul 2013 #210
But you also imply that I think those ridiculous boo-boos are sufficient reason for tblue37 Jul 2013 #275
oh crap- I am so sorry- I meant "them" - yeah, I can see how messed up that was.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #279
please do this: Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #66
Uh...thanks for the advice. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #83
I really and truly wish you would put your mouth where your foot is CatWoman Jul 2013 #164
It just astonishes me how quick people are to believe Zim's every word. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #205
The point is that Zim's injuries were not consistent with his head being "bashed on the concrete." nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #189
Try it 20-30 times like zimmy claimed happened to him brush Jul 2013 #244
according to the law he had to be in a reasonable person's TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #108
So just make sure to get beaten severely... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #116
oh bullshit TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #156
Just FYI... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #162
not when they're inches away TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #195
You are LEGALLY WRONG about "shooting him in a less vital place" Lurks Often Jul 2013 #213
I guess you missed all the other things he could have done TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #220
This has nothing to do with the case. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #222
and I really don't care TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #230
Whether you care or not is irrelevant to me Lurks Often Jul 2013 #237
yet if he had done so Martin would be alive TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #242
What part of what you recommended is illegal is unclear to you? n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #247
lol CatWoman Jul 2013 #174
Do child safety instructors in your town teach kids to NOT fight when an adult stranger blm Jul 2013 #132
I certainly hope not. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #134
Then why accept Zimmerman's action as 'self-defense' while ignoring Trayvon's blm Jul 2013 #145
The two things are compatible. Igel Jul 2013 #254
I think the point being made is that Zimmerman could have used non-lethal force nyquil_man Jul 2013 #149
You are WRONG Lurks Often Jul 2013 #214
Ah, but I thought Zimmerman's argument was that he DID fear grave bodily harm or death? nyquil_man Jul 2013 #215
Pathetic rebuttal Lurks Often Jul 2013 #221
So Zimmerman can kill someone who's trying to kill him nyquil_man Jul 2013 #223
You find me the law that allows intentional wounding with a deadly weapon n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #224
You said it yourself, Lurks. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #228
This has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case Lurks Often Jul 2013 #234
I'm talking about the Zimmerman case. You're off on another of your ill-informed fantasies. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #243
If he intentionally shot Martin in the leg or arm without Lurks Often Jul 2013 #246
It's illegal to shoot anybody anywhere without a reasonable cause. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #248
What part of what you recommended is illegal is unclear to you? n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #249
What part of shooting someone in the chest is illegal is unclear to you? nt nyquil_man Jul 2013 #251
It is illegal if a jury finds the claim of self defense not justified by the evidence Lurks Often Jul 2013 #252
Spare me. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #294
Here. Have some context. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #253
So then all any murderer would need to do is give themselves a couple scratches... Marrah_G Jul 2013 #191
He had already called the cops and knew they were on their way treestar Jul 2013 #311
sort of reminds me of when azurnoir Jul 2013 #60
Or, we were safer when W Control-Z Jul 2013 #99
I knew someone who later admitted to hitting her face with her car door to win a DV claim. nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2013 #170
I won't say he is innocent, but if I was on the Jury, I would find him not guilty. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #2
based on what? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #70
Reasonable doubt Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #90
Do you believe Zimmerman's story in its entirety? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #114
I've listened to the majority of the trial. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #123
That's not the legal standard in play anomiep Jul 2013 #178
if the jury doesn't believe his story beyond a reasonable doubt, the prosecution makes a great deal Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #297
Regardless anomiep Jul 2013 #299
The scratches that did not require a trip to the ER JanMichael Jul 2013 #3
Very minor boo-boos--not even worth a bandaid! Please my post #35 above. nt tblue37 Jul 2013 #38
My god Natural Duckwraps Jul 2013 #4
Yeah, I know. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #13
so you're not even gonna respond to people? Skittles Jul 2013 #50
I can't respond to everyone, Skittles... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #58
oh yes you CAN Skittles Jul 2013 #75
Think what you want about what I should do. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #78
LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #89
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #72
LOL - you already know Skittles Jul 2013 #88
Check the mirror, maybe. [n/t] stranger81 Jul 2013 #92
I said so months ago and got kicked off the board for it. Hush now don' t say a word. nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #63
AWWWWWWWWW you poor baby Skittles Jul 2013 #94
So who are you a sockpuppet of? You DO know that if you get kicked off you are kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #95
Ahh I fibbed. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #100
Tombstones are permanent burnodo Jul 2013 #129
He would feel more comfortable at stormfront./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #139
probably this jagoff's third or fourth time around frylock Jul 2013 #206
All I can say is some of you really put a low price on a life. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #5
On black life, anyway. stranger81 Jul 2013 #84
+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #186
He killed someone BainsBane Jul 2013 #6
Has someone hacked into a bunch of old DU user accounts? NightWatcher Jul 2013 #8
A lot of people keep a spare set of socks in the drawer. bluedigger Jul 2013 #61
The OP has over 5000 posts BainsBane Jul 2013 #142
Don't be fooled. Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #154
well that's another matter BainsBane Jul 2013 #155
How do they do that? displacedtexan Jul 2013 #196
So profiling, following, countingbluecars Jul 2013 #9
Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin burnodo Jul 2013 #10
He was armed and he picked a fight BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #11
I don't think TM inflicted those injuries on GZ notadmblnd Jul 2013 #14
This wasn't about Stand Your Ground Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #15
+1 And before that it was about mind your own fucking business. Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #27
and after that it was tell the goddam truth Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #77
By Florida law? Very possibly not guilty. But from a moral standpoint? Guilty. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #16
I looked at those "injuries" and I thought MADem Jul 2013 #17
I would have considered it - if he had come up with a better story that wasn't full of holes. (nt) Nine Jul 2013 #19
++ Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #81
Your OP forgot to mention he is a proven liar. n/t Little Star Jul 2013 #20
we do care - very much TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #21
Yes, it's about the evidence. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #53
Cognitive disonance isn't just for Teabaggers anymore. 99Forever Jul 2013 #22
I disagree. I think it's still just for Teabaggers. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2013 #316
Scratches or small cuts on the head area bleed like crazy. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #23
had he not gotten out of his truck NOTHING would be happening. He murdered that boy sad-cafe Jul 2013 #24
Where are the grass stains on Trayvon's pants knees? Hugabear Jul 2013 #25
And wouldn't the back of Z's Control-Z Jul 2013 #120
Apparently both were wearing high tech anti stain clothing Hugabear Jul 2013 #124
Right here in discovery evidence ksoze Jul 2013 #194
Still that doesn't prove anything Hugabear Jul 2013 #201
Than why post BS? ksoze Jul 2013 #208
Hooey otohara Jul 2013 #26
I've considered it. Just Saying Jul 2013 #28
I've followed the trial and considered all the same facts. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #36
And I would vote guilty murder 2 Just Saying Jul 2013 #43
florida law... handmade34 Jul 2013 #143
of course heaven05 Jul 2013 #261
I think Z pulled his gun Control-Z Jul 2013 #130
Right there with you. Just Saying Jul 2013 #147
why does self defense only apply to Zimmerman??? Skittles Jul 2013 #29
He is a contemptible person. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #30
Yes, Zimmerman is a loser. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #236
He's Guilty As HELL!!! ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #31
The fact that he could have Spirochete Jul 2013 #33
THESE boo-boos? tblue37 Jul 2013 #34
Yep, those ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #39
People are amazing. They act as though those little scratches, which are not even worth putting a tblue37 Jul 2013 #47
Those and the ones taken at the scene with the bloody nose. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #40
OMG, a bloody nose! Hugabear Jul 2013 #44
I remember you. You claimed to be an expert on high altitude rescue at one point a JanMichael Jul 2013 #51
I claimed to be an expert on high-altitude rescue? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #106
no, just this one right now JanMichael Jul 2013 #119
Head and face injuries bleed heavily because the face and tblue37 Jul 2013 #52
So what? Even if Martin was striking Zimmerman, it was MARTIN that every right to defend himself. npk Jul 2013 #69
Looks Like Mosquito Bites He Scratched Too Much otohara Jul 2013 #107
No. Iggo Jul 2013 #37
tm wasn't stalking gz. imo, if tm did, in fact, attack gz, he acted in self defense. ellenfl Jul 2013 #41
Sure, but it's clear that all Zim had to do to "defend" himself... polichick Jul 2013 #42
+1 Just Saying Jul 2013 #46
Not me. polly7 Jul 2013 #48
Considered It, Sir, And Dismissed It, On the Basis Of Facts Known The Magistrate Jul 2013 #54
I was in an accident and broke my nose when I was fifteen. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #62
and being stalked by a paranoid gun-toting cop-wannabe loser isn't? Skittles Jul 2013 #102
Which would matter if Martin JoePhilly Jul 2013 #105
+1, Zimmermans own family physician called his injuries superficial uponit7771 Jul 2013 #151
No. Stalking and killing an innocent kid makes him a murderer. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #57
did you watch the trial? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #59
Part of it... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #86
well.. I urge you to watch the prosecution closing(s) if you can make the time. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #112
I'll try to find it on Youtube. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #219
I didn't have an opinion when the story first became public. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #64
Zimmerman will face civil liability out the wazoo probably. gulliver Jul 2013 #67
I believe there are several Duckwraps Jul 2013 #93
He's been guilty ever since he stepped out of his vehicle with his gun 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #74
Yep, no injuries except the gunshot wound. noamnety Jul 2013 #85
There are six people considering it right now customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #87
Everyone thought about it and ruled it out based on the facts. Pretty simple. DevonRex Jul 2013 #91
In principle - all accused have to be presumed Innocent with the burden on the prosecution to prove Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #96
I considered it 'til I saw the evidence. Then I knew he wasn't. Jim__ Jul 2013 #97
I feel like the jury is best ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #98
Thanks for a thoughtful post... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #133
There's not ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #276
"that doesnt make him a murderer" darkangel218 Jul 2013 #103
Manslaughter MFM008 Jul 2013 #104
Zimmerman and his name will be forever associated with murder katmondoo Jul 2013 #109
Nearly EVERYTHING that GZ said was 100% BULLSHIT dorkzilla Jul 2013 #110
"Oooops." Is that really enough? A paranoid maniac follows you, provoking a confrontation ecstatic Jul 2013 #113
Here is the reason why I think Zimmerman is guilty.... all american girl Jul 2013 #118
If a person will lie about one thing... kentuck Jul 2013 #121
I don't think the prosecutor will be able to prove the charges against him. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #122
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #125
There is a strong manslaughter case. Read today's Miami Herald editorial by the lawyer. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #166
Considering that much of the evidence presented on DU Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #127
Sorry, no excuse for shooting that unarmed kid. Too bad he thought he was covered under laws. Hoyt Jul 2013 #128
If he's not guilty, then Florida should get ready for a lot fewer tourists. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #131
Dream on ksoze Jul 2013 #138
I do think he's guilty of manslaughter... cynatnite Jul 2013 #136
So I take it that you believe the story of Zimmerman... Someone who's a proven liar MrScorpio Jul 2013 #137
... KG Jul 2013 #140
Agree! Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #293
+1000. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #159
Ya, I believe that liar is not guilty and I also arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #148
Martin might have become the aggressor rrneck Jul 2013 #150
Why do you believe Martin was hotheaded? nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #157
I understand he had a history of fighting. rrneck Jul 2013 #173
Thanks for the reply. polly7 Jul 2013 #179
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #153
I don't think it's like the Duke Lacrosse case Nevernose Jul 2013 #160
I appreciate your response. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #217
He wanted to hold Trayvon down for the Police. When Trayvon resisted, Zimmerman shot him. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #165
He held Trayvon down while on the bottom? ksoze Jul 2013 #169
It wasn't looking good for Zimmerman, then the defense did this... TheBlackAdder Jul 2013 #167
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #185
Good question. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #272
He killed a boy intaglio Jul 2013 #182
The injuries that were so minor that the Medical Examiner said all they required was a bandaid? yardwork Jul 2013 #184
Yeah - the ones that his wife put fingertip bandaids on Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #187
+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Jul 2013 #232
After hearing the 911 calls I felt he was guilty Marrah_G Jul 2013 #188
Yes, I have given him the benefit of the doubt. The more I have followed the trial the more I"m lumpy Jul 2013 #192
In short, you don't take a gun to a fist fight... KansDem Jul 2013 #193
I've considered it, and then I discounted that possibility Generic Brad Jul 2013 #197
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #198
There are other things Z could have done Ilsa Jul 2013 #202
Very briefly, perhaps. But the evidence against him is fairly overwhelming, from my vantage point. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #203
At least one. Sean Hannity. KamaAina Jul 2013 #216
"Why do so many people not care about the circumstances...?" Because not all agree with YOU?! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #218
Of course not everyone agrees with me. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #225
It's your question that was arrogant and obnoxious. Nine Jul 2013 #258
Until the jury comes back otherwise, I have. flvegan Jul 2013 #226
Thoughtful response. Thank you. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #231
If its legal to shoot and kill someone just because you are losing a fight... DCBob Jul 2013 #227
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #282
Not me! KT2000 Jul 2013 #229
Some here think he is. Rex Jul 2013 #235
It's Zimmerman's guilt in starting the conflict in the first place cpwm17 Jul 2013 #240
Your post is indicative of how the case has been portrayed... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #257
You are right that he was convicted long ago by many. When there's no need. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #241
Nope. The nose injury could have happened when the gun avebury Jul 2013 #255
If he hadn't gotten out of his car, he wouldn't have gotten a bloody nose. pacalo Jul 2013 #259
He is guilty Sienna86 Jul 2013 #262
Z's guilty. Manslaughter at least. Owl Jul 2013 #263
Zimmerman is a murderer and his wounds were superficial. Apophis Jul 2013 #264
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #281
I'm not defending him as a person. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #284
You're now ignored. Apophis Jul 2013 #290
I have considered it a number of times Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #265
Zimmerman shoots Martin. Martin is dead. LWolf Jul 2013 #266
You know that's not exactly how the law works, right? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #268
And I bet you don't even know why your comparison is disgusting. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #269
It's self defense in either case. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #270
I know how the law works. LWolf Jul 2013 #273
I Only think Zimmerman is not guilty if.... brettdale Jul 2013 #267
You might want to study the concept of self defense. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #271
Haven't really considered it. Deep13 Jul 2013 #286
Those facts are not in dispute. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #291
I'd let him go. musical_soul Jul 2013 #295
We get it, according to you, black people have no right to self defense. Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #302
BS...I said nothing of the sort. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #303
Except Martin, of course. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #305
he's a murderer. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #304
Impossible. The evidence all points to at least manslaughter. duffyduff Jul 2013 #306
Many of us told DU the case was weak LittleBlue Jul 2013 #307
If Trayvon Martin had jumped Zimmerman's vehicle with Zimmerman in it, and Trayvon had a gun anobserver2 Jul 2013 #308
Since when can't a 32 yr old man take as ass beating?? I don't care if Trayvon Pisces Jul 2013 #309
Legally, that 32-year-old male... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #310
What part of "Zimmerman started it" don't you understand? The altercation was entirely due to him. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #320
I don't for an instant believe he's completely innocent. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #312
This post is CRAP. Agschmid Jul 2013 #313
i have considered that Zimmerman is not guilty tiny elvis Jul 2013 #317
Maybe if there had been a thorough mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #318
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