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NOW It IS About Snowden. [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2013 OP
If only we could discuss the illegal spying Savannahmann Jul 2013 #1
WE could, and we will. They cannot stop that, but if they want to make it about Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #2
Rep. King looks like he is an evil shrew on NSA payroll BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #69
King is the one who said 'we count the votes' meaning I guess, Republicans. They own the voting sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #111
He did specify the Supreme Court (specifically, Alito). nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #175
Actually Tice did name Supreme Court BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #189
funny, I started a thread yesterday about HOW the FBI/NSA accesses lines. Sank like a stone KittyWampus Jul 2013 #22
It's much more fun to slam Snowden Savannahmann Jul 2013 #28
What?? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #108
Well, that's because THEY made it about Snowden. So if you want to get attention for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38
You're wrong. They're spying on puppes too. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #109
I have a puppy. Now you're scaring me! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #128
There may be great products for puppies, but at all costs "they" will deny any R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #129
You're not suggesting that they would be selling our data to Big Corps, and whoever else wants sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #132
No, they would never lie to us... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #134
Phew, that's what I thought! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #139
Post the links here dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #61
Could you please provide a link? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #84
Would you mind sending me that link? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #107
It is so curious that there is a movement to do just that on a "Democratic" message board. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #106
They've made that inevitable. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #155
Message for the NSA: Lonr Jul 2013 #3
Good point. They will have to redirect and expand their smears toward the public now. reformist2 Jul 2013 #4
And the more they do that, the more desperate they look and the more we wonder 'what are they sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #5
There is a NEW one surfacing. bvar22 Jul 2013 #73
That's only calling out your side's hypocrisy ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #81
Again, we are talking about POLICY, bvar22 Jul 2013 #90
Consistent principles? How rigid can you be? merrily Jul 2013 #101
Be more specific because when election season rolls around as it always does, we will be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #136
Sorry. I was being sarcastic. I thought it would be obvious, so I didn't merrily Jul 2013 #137
Lol, I wondered if you were serious or not, but you never know these days on Du so sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #138
It's not POLICY hen you call Obama a NAZI, a "Corporatist", an "Authorarian" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #160
Hey, Proud member of the Reality Community.... bvar22 Jul 2013 #177
You know as well as I do that "calling out" other posts is against DU rules ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #182
So you GOT NOTHING. bvar22 Jul 2013 #185
The "you" in that context was clearly not intended to be personal to "bvar22" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #186
When responding to a specific individual... bvar22 Jul 2013 #187
Shhh. You'll wake the ponies. merrily Jul 2013 #100
I don't worship any president. I pity those that feel the need to. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #110
And there it is again, the personalization of issues, 'your hero' v 'our hero'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #135
Yep I saw that one emerge too. zeemike Jul 2013 #85
Do you have any idea how hard it is to fit a wheelchair under a bus? merrily Jul 2013 #99
OK... Made me laugh. bvar22 Jul 2013 #158
I've seen that one. And Ellsberg too. I can't keep up with the Liberals who have been trashed sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #131
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #6
More Americans support prosecuting Snowden michigandem58 Jul 2013 #7
Still doesn't make illegal spying legal. n/t BB1 Jul 2013 #8
More Germans supported prosecuting their Whistle Blowers also, they were wrong. They fell sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #9
Remember, Everything That Hitler Did Was "Legal" Demeter Jul 2013 #12
Can't leave the German stuff alone Progressive dog Jul 2013 #14
Polling the "world" is not the point. Polling an informed populace is. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #16
Where are the German Whistle blowers? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #18
What makes you think anyone is different from them? The point of the lessons that were sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #56
I don't think that we are different, I know it Progressive dog Jul 2013 #65
We ARE different in some ways, smarter maybe in that we keep up appearances while sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #77
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Never forget, it is one of the more recent sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #42
People who have history paranoia Progressive dog Jul 2013 #165
I get the impression you dont like whistle-blowers. And what's your definition of "progressive"? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70
If whistle blowers steal US classified material, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #170
So you believe the state is always right? Never a time to challenge the authoritarian state? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #171
A lot of the Germans who blew the whistle died because they did it. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #86
Oh my, I am so afraid Progressive dog Jul 2013 #167
I lived in German-speaking countries. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #168
I think the fearmongers are a much Progressive dog Jul 2013 #169
I see a lot of the same trends in the US now that were present in Germany in the 1930s. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #172
"Our paranoia is an excuse" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #176
Would you agree that Eastern Europe during the Soviet period were paranoid states? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #178
Of course they were not paranoid states nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #179
Were you ever in one? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #180
Oh expertise by being there Progressive dog Jul 2013 #181
Die Weiße Rose or the White Rose. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #113
That's kind of an interesting factoid... Blanks Jul 2013 #51
Do you know what the Nazis did to those who dared to speak out against them? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #148
Look back at your claim. Blanks Jul 2013 #173
Nope. 55% say he's a whistleblower, not a traitor. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #24
Every authoritarian state nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #43
These people who mock us for being concerned about NSA surveillance Maedhros Jul 2013 #62
These people choose submission to authority. When you challenge their authority figure or state, rhett o rick Jul 2013 #74
Says who? Where pray tell did you pull this "fact"? ? ? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #94
It takes a "Constitutional Scholar", and 5 "Strict Constructionists" Supreme Court Justices Demeter Jul 2013 #10
Actually it is one Supreme Court Justice davidpdx Jul 2013 #145
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2013 #11
Excellent post! another_liberal Jul 2013 #13
Wonderful essay and photos - Many thanks! byeya Jul 2013 #15
Snowden Worship? HipChick Jul 2013 #17
Its not about Snowden except when it is about Snowden. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19
I haven't met a Snowden fan here yet. I have met and read several individuals R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #114
Then you aren't paying attention. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #151
It's much easier to denigrate outrage by using a broad-brush attack R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #188
And the Surveillance State is still the issue, no matter how much effort is put into trying to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #130
Actually I have said, in other threads, on this facinating topic. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #152
What's the difference? Both offended their governments, both were pursued by their governments sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44
What "extreme punishment" are you referring to (re: Snowden)? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #59
If Snowden were facing the threat of a drone strike Maedhros Jul 2013 #64
I don't think the analogy is good Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #68
And then there was Awlaki's 16 yr old son, droned to death on his way to a party. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #154
The analogy fit pretty well, and hit close to the bone from the sound of it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #115
"hit close to the bone from the sound of it" Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #117
Look it up on the internets. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #119
I know what the expression means Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #120
Perhaps you need to meditate on it until you are enlightened? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #122
So Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #125
You have not yet reached enlightenment. Please continue, Proud Liberal Dem. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #127
See Bradley Manning. Tortured, kept in solitary confinement until the UN and State Dept sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133
It sounds like he was mentally unstable and being kept under suicide/prevention of injury watch Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #157
That lie, told to try to cover the treatment when it received world wide comdemnation, sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #162
Looks like you kicked the hive again, sabrina 1. Zorra Jul 2013 #20
Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #21
Actually, I'll side with Snowden over traitor Peter King. It's still about SPYING and LYING. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #23
If credibility is based on a person's background, as you insist, Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #27
Strangely enough, PS wrote the following once. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #116
Oh dear, the delicious irony NuclearDem Jul 2013 #32
Yes, I forgot about that one, that he gave secrets to the Chinese etc. Without a shred of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37
I suppose ProSense Jul 2013 #39
The Chinese are spying on everyone also and most likely knew all of this anyhow.. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #47
If you can't trust two unnamed sources from U.S. spy agencies Maedhros Jul 2013 #66
Lol! I don't know, Snowden maybe? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #153
Good grief. Apophis Jul 2013 #45
Pathetic ain't it. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #126
K&R! :) whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #25
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #26
Beautiful thread. woo me with science Jul 2013 #29
What's with the boxes thing? Never heard of that. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30
"He has boxes in his garage!" Hydra Jul 2013 #33
I still don't get it, will have to look it up. Thanks though. Also I thought she JaneyVee Jul 2013 #35
That's my understanding too Hydra Jul 2013 #36
Before I had time to figure it out, they had moved quickly to the next one on the list. Things sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50
Here you go: bvar22 Jul 2013 #82
'Not on Social Media'!! That's an interesting little item considering the claims that they had found sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #183
Grasping sand Hydra Jul 2013 #31
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #34
Snowden is a traitor because he turned on the lights and exposed what the government is doing Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #40
+1 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #57
I guess TT never heard of the KKK in Virginia... or will he create one about it? Amonester Jul 2013 #41
Did anyone say that crime should be ignored? I think we are saying the OPPOSITE. CRIME sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46
I hope so too, but since actually, it seems they do let them grow their foolish stupidity Amonester Jul 2013 #48
Or maybe they are not surveilling all this data to catch terrorists. Maybe it is 'data mining' to be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #49
we apply the principle of accountability to powerless, and the principle of forgiveness to powerful nashville_brook Jul 2013 #60
Tom Tomorrow reads DU, no doubt about it :) nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #52
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #53
k/r marmar Jul 2013 #54
I'll take whichever side Peter King is against...any day of the week. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #55
I didn't want to go overboard as some people are a bit sensitive about whose side they are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58
But.. But... Egg... Face.. Chinese Spy... BLUE MEENIES!!! SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #63
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #67
Character assassination is a fallacy of logic. Cleita Jul 2013 #71
Very true. Thank you. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #75
Sure, why wouldn't you be able to use it? Cleita Jul 2013 #80
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #76
He's just the kid that said " Wheres your clothes ? " to the orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #78
"All" is false. aquart Jul 2013 #79
So what is it? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #87
Because he gave aid and comfort to our direct competitors. aquart Jul 2013 #105
Snowden didn't release anything that was not already known to foreign intelligence services Fumesucker Jul 2013 #124
Wow. Trying to have it both ways. aquart Jul 2013 #143
I don't think I agree with you that nothing can be done to stop all this surveillance. All this is sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #144
I think I know why Snowden quit his job, went to Hong Kong and blew the whistle. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #83
And thankyou Sabrina! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #88
Hero worship is fucking stupid period Californeeway Jul 2013 #89
You missed the point LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #93
I didn't miss the point Californeeway Jul 2013 #104
You didn't read the OP, did you? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97
Posted before reading again? bvar22 Jul 2013 #156
Because the issue is valid, Snowden may if anything get DirkGently Jul 2013 #91
Sabrina thank you so much for laying out such a clear argument about why to keep talking about midnight Jul 2013 #92
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #95
Way to go, Sabrina! 20score Jul 2013 #96
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) - documented terrorist supporter. mwooldri Jul 2013 #98
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #102
Lol, another who didn't read the OP. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #112
You keep this up and I'm gonna have to do a DU Shout Out to Sabrina 1. L0oniX Jul 2013 #123
Lol, I think considering my 'fan' club you'd do better with a 'smack down'! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #141
Jeeze... L0oniX Jul 2013 #121
Another K & R Liberal_Dog Jul 2013 #103
Thank you for acting like a Democrat should act. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #118
It's hilarious. It's about Snowden all over Latin America now too Catherina Jul 2013 #140
I know, it's incomprehensible that they could be this stupid. Don't they know from history, our sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #142
I have deep, mad respect for him. Ever since I read of his activities for Madre Tierra years ago Catherina Jul 2013 #150
Yes, that was disgusting and proved beyond a doubt the complete dishonesty of those sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #161
You're so welcome. I stand firmly by his side, and yours, and others on the same wavelength Catherina Jul 2013 #164
what a great example! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #166
I don't think it is about any one person, company, or agency davidpdx Jul 2013 #146
The last panel with Ben Franklin is brilliant NickB79 Jul 2013 #147
I know, I love that one. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #149
Snowden's a hero, and a big symbol. I'm fine with him being a lightning rod. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #159
Exactly. At first it was obvious that the pro-surveillance state contingency wanted to talk about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #184
And strangely, you'd think the anti-snowden persons... allin99 Jul 2013 #163
Oh, the irony! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #174
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