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Proud Liberal Dem

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68. I don't think the analogy is good
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jul 2013

Al-Awlaki was living in a remote part of the world organizing terrorism against the US. Snowden is definitely in trouble for what he has (allegedly) done but I doubt that the government is going to kill him over it- and it's not like it would've been that hard for a special forces team to get him in a Russian airport if they really wanted him to. It must be a pretty scary place in your head to live in where it is even likely or probable that our government, particularly under President Obama, would resort to such extreme measures with Snowden. With that sort of thinking, I'm not sure where it would end.

NOW It IS About Snowden. [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2013 OP
If only we could discuss the illegal spying Savannahmann Jul 2013 #1
WE could, and we will. They cannot stop that, but if they want to make it about Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #2
Rep. King looks like he is an evil shrew on NSA payroll BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #69
King is the one who said 'we count the votes' meaning I guess, Republicans. They own the voting sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #111
He did specify the Supreme Court (specifically, Alito). nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #175
Actually Tice did name Supreme Court BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #189
funny, I started a thread yesterday about HOW the FBI/NSA accesses lines. Sank like a stone KittyWampus Jul 2013 #22
It's much more fun to slam Snowden Savannahmann Jul 2013 #28
What?? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #108
Well, that's because THEY made it about Snowden. So if you want to get attention for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38
You're wrong. They're spying on puppes too. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #109
I have a puppy. Now you're scaring me! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #128
There may be great products for puppies, but at all costs "they" will deny any R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #129
You're not suggesting that they would be selling our data to Big Corps, and whoever else wants sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #132
No, they would never lie to us... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #134
Phew, that's what I thought! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #139
Post the links here dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #61
Could you please provide a link? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #84
Would you mind sending me that link? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #107
It is so curious that there is a movement to do just that on a "Democratic" message board. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #106
They've made that inevitable. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #155
Message for the NSA: Lonr Jul 2013 #3
Good point. They will have to redirect and expand their smears toward the public now. reformist2 Jul 2013 #4
And the more they do that, the more desperate they look and the more we wonder 'what are they sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #5
There is a NEW one surfacing. bvar22 Jul 2013 #73
That's only calling out your side's hypocrisy ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #81
Again, we are talking about POLICY, bvar22 Jul 2013 #90
Consistent principles? How rigid can you be? merrily Jul 2013 #101
Be more specific because when election season rolls around as it always does, we will be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #136
Sorry. I was being sarcastic. I thought it would be obvious, so I didn't merrily Jul 2013 #137
Lol, I wondered if you were serious or not, but you never know these days on Du so sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #138
It's not POLICY hen you call Obama a NAZI, a "Corporatist", an "Authorarian" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #160
Hey, Proud member of the Reality Community.... bvar22 Jul 2013 #177
You know as well as I do that "calling out" other posts is against DU rules ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #182
So you GOT NOTHING. bvar22 Jul 2013 #185
The "you" in that context was clearly not intended to be personal to "bvar22" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #186
When responding to a specific individual... bvar22 Jul 2013 #187
Shhh. You'll wake the ponies. merrily Jul 2013 #100
I don't worship any president. I pity those that feel the need to. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #110
And there it is again, the personalization of issues, 'your hero' v 'our hero'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #135
Yep I saw that one emerge too. zeemike Jul 2013 #85
Do you have any idea how hard it is to fit a wheelchair under a bus? merrily Jul 2013 #99
OK... Made me laugh. bvar22 Jul 2013 #158
I've seen that one. And Ellsberg too. I can't keep up with the Liberals who have been trashed sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #131
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #6
More Americans support prosecuting Snowden michigandem58 Jul 2013 #7
Still doesn't make illegal spying legal. n/t BB1 Jul 2013 #8
More Germans supported prosecuting their Whistle Blowers also, they were wrong. They fell sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #9
Remember, Everything That Hitler Did Was "Legal" Demeter Jul 2013 #12
Can't leave the German stuff alone Progressive dog Jul 2013 #14
Polling the "world" is not the point. Polling an informed populace is. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #16
Where are the German Whistle blowers? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #18
What makes you think anyone is different from them? The point of the lessons that were sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #56
I don't think that we are different, I know it Progressive dog Jul 2013 #65
We ARE different in some ways, smarter maybe in that we keep up appearances while sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #77
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Never forget, it is one of the more recent sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #42
People who have history paranoia Progressive dog Jul 2013 #165
I get the impression you dont like whistle-blowers. And what's your definition of "progressive"? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70
If whistle blowers steal US classified material, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #170
So you believe the state is always right? Never a time to challenge the authoritarian state? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #171
A lot of the Germans who blew the whistle died because they did it. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #86
Oh my, I am so afraid Progressive dog Jul 2013 #167
I lived in German-speaking countries. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #168
I think the fearmongers are a much Progressive dog Jul 2013 #169
I see a lot of the same trends in the US now that were present in Germany in the 1930s. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #172
"Our paranoia is an excuse" Progressive dog Jul 2013 #176
Would you agree that Eastern Europe during the Soviet period were paranoid states? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #178
Of course they were not paranoid states nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #179
Were you ever in one? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #180
Oh expertise by being there Progressive dog Jul 2013 #181
Die Weiße Rose or the White Rose. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #113
That's kind of an interesting factoid... Blanks Jul 2013 #51
Do you know what the Nazis did to those who dared to speak out against them? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #148
Look back at your claim. Blanks Jul 2013 #173
Nope. 55% say he's a whistleblower, not a traitor. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #24
Every authoritarian state nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #43
These people who mock us for being concerned about NSA surveillance Maedhros Jul 2013 #62
These people choose submission to authority. When you challenge their authority figure or state, rhett o rick Jul 2013 #74
Says who? Where pray tell did you pull this "fact"? ? ? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #94
It takes a "Constitutional Scholar", and 5 "Strict Constructionists" Supreme Court Justices Demeter Jul 2013 #10
Actually it is one Supreme Court Justice davidpdx Jul 2013 #145
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2013 #11
Excellent post! another_liberal Jul 2013 #13
Wonderful essay and photos - Many thanks! byeya Jul 2013 #15
Snowden Worship? HipChick Jul 2013 #17
Its not about Snowden except when it is about Snowden. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19
I haven't met a Snowden fan here yet. I have met and read several individuals R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #114
Then you aren't paying attention. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #151
It's much easier to denigrate outrage by using a broad-brush attack R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #188
And the Surveillance State is still the issue, no matter how much effort is put into trying to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #130
Actually I have said, in other threads, on this facinating topic. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #152
What's the difference? Both offended their governments, both were pursued by their governments sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #44
What "extreme punishment" are you referring to (re: Snowden)? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #59
If Snowden were facing the threat of a drone strike Maedhros Jul 2013 #64
I don't think the analogy is good Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #68
And then there was Awlaki's 16 yr old son, droned to death on his way to a party. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #154
The analogy fit pretty well, and hit close to the bone from the sound of it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #115
"hit close to the bone from the sound of it" Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #117
Look it up on the internets. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #119
I know what the expression means Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #120
Perhaps you need to meditate on it until you are enlightened? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #122
So Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #125
You have not yet reached enlightenment. Please continue, Proud Liberal Dem. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #127
See Bradley Manning. Tortured, kept in solitary confinement until the UN and State Dept sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133
It sounds like he was mentally unstable and being kept under suicide/prevention of injury watch Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #157
That lie, told to try to cover the treatment when it received world wide comdemnation, sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #162
Looks like you kicked the hive again, sabrina 1. Zorra Jul 2013 #20
Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #21
Actually, I'll side with Snowden over traitor Peter King. It's still about SPYING and LYING. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #23
If credibility is based on a person's background, as you insist, Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #27
Strangely enough, PS wrote the following once. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #116
Oh dear, the delicious irony NuclearDem Jul 2013 #32
Yes, I forgot about that one, that he gave secrets to the Chinese etc. Without a shred of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37
I suppose ProSense Jul 2013 #39
The Chinese are spying on everyone also and most likely knew all of this anyhow.. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #47
If you can't trust two unnamed sources from U.S. spy agencies Maedhros Jul 2013 #66
Lol! I don't know, Snowden maybe? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #153
Good grief. Apophis Jul 2013 #45
Pathetic ain't it. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #126
K&R! :) whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #25
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #26
Beautiful thread. woo me with science Jul 2013 #29
What's with the boxes thing? Never heard of that. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30
"He has boxes in his garage!" Hydra Jul 2013 #33
I still don't get it, will have to look it up. Thanks though. Also I thought she JaneyVee Jul 2013 #35
That's my understanding too Hydra Jul 2013 #36
Before I had time to figure it out, they had moved quickly to the next one on the list. Things sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50
Here you go: bvar22 Jul 2013 #82
'Not on Social Media'!! That's an interesting little item considering the claims that they had found sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #183
Grasping sand Hydra Jul 2013 #31
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #34
Snowden is a traitor because he turned on the lights and exposed what the government is doing Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #40
+1 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #57
I guess TT never heard of the KKK in Virginia... or will he create one about it? Amonester Jul 2013 #41
Did anyone say that crime should be ignored? I think we are saying the OPPOSITE. CRIME sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #46
I hope so too, but since actually, it seems they do let them grow their foolish stupidity Amonester Jul 2013 #48
Or maybe they are not surveilling all this data to catch terrorists. Maybe it is 'data mining' to be sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #49
we apply the principle of accountability to powerless, and the principle of forgiveness to powerful nashville_brook Jul 2013 #60
Tom Tomorrow reads DU, no doubt about it :) nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #52
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #53
k/r marmar Jul 2013 #54
I'll take whichever side Peter King is against...any day of the week. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #55
I didn't want to go overboard as some people are a bit sensitive about whose side they are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58
But.. But... Egg... Face.. Chinese Spy... BLUE MEENIES!!! SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #63
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #67
Character assassination is a fallacy of logic. Cleita Jul 2013 #71
Very true. Thank you. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #75
Sure, why wouldn't you be able to use it? Cleita Jul 2013 #80
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #76
He's just the kid that said " Wheres your clothes ? " to the orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #78
"All" is false. aquart Jul 2013 #79
So what is it? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #87
Because he gave aid and comfort to our direct competitors. aquart Jul 2013 #105
Snowden didn't release anything that was not already known to foreign intelligence services Fumesucker Jul 2013 #124
Wow. Trying to have it both ways. aquart Jul 2013 #143
I don't think I agree with you that nothing can be done to stop all this surveillance. All this is sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #144
I think I know why Snowden quit his job, went to Hong Kong and blew the whistle. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #83
And thankyou Sabrina! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #88
Hero worship is fucking stupid period Californeeway Jul 2013 #89
You missed the point LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #93
I didn't miss the point Californeeway Jul 2013 #104
You didn't read the OP, did you? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97
Posted before reading again? bvar22 Jul 2013 #156
Because the issue is valid, Snowden may if anything get DirkGently Jul 2013 #91
Sabrina thank you so much for laying out such a clear argument about why to keep talking about midnight Jul 2013 #92
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #95
Way to go, Sabrina! 20score Jul 2013 #96
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) - documented terrorist supporter. mwooldri Jul 2013 #98
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #102
Lol, another who didn't read the OP. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #112
You keep this up and I'm gonna have to do a DU Shout Out to Sabrina 1. L0oniX Jul 2013 #123
Lol, I think considering my 'fan' club you'd do better with a 'smack down'! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #141
Jeeze... L0oniX Jul 2013 #121
Another K & R Liberal_Dog Jul 2013 #103
Thank you for acting like a Democrat should act. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #118
It's hilarious. It's about Snowden all over Latin America now too Catherina Jul 2013 #140
I know, it's incomprehensible that they could be this stupid. Don't they know from history, our sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #142
I have deep, mad respect for him. Ever since I read of his activities for Madre Tierra years ago Catherina Jul 2013 #150
Yes, that was disgusting and proved beyond a doubt the complete dishonesty of those sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #161
You're so welcome. I stand firmly by his side, and yours, and others on the same wavelength Catherina Jul 2013 #164
what a great example! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #166
I don't think it is about any one person, company, or agency davidpdx Jul 2013 #146
The last panel with Ben Franklin is brilliant NickB79 Jul 2013 #147
I know, I love that one. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #149
Snowden's a hero, and a big symbol. I'm fine with him being a lightning rod. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #159
Exactly. At first it was obvious that the pro-surveillance state contingency wanted to talk about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #184
And strangely, you'd think the anti-snowden persons... allin99 Jul 2013 #163
Oh, the irony! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #174
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