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ProSense

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50. Do you

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:51 AM

Jul 2013

"At this point, why would he lie? I can see why a Chinese state-run newspaper might lie, but Snowden? With the deep shit he's already in, why bother? "

...really wonder why? Do you think he would acknowledge this knowing it would make things worse?

Does anyone see a distinction between the government and the press in China?

What are the chances that the Chinese press didn't turn the information over to the government?

Did he think about that or is he naive? Could that be the reason for his repeated denials?

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Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Well, the Chinese newspaper said they were shown details, including IP addresses. randome Jul 2013 #1

That's the rub. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #2

I'm sure it won't mean the same to EVERYBODY, right? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #3

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #4

Ellsberg broke the law to tell the truth too. But whistleblowers should be punished. think Jul 2013 #5

Fine, ProSense Jul 2013 #7

Both Ellsberg & Snowden broke the law. John Kiriakou broke law for telling us think Jul 2013 #13

And ProSense Jul 2013 #16

Do you feel John Kiriakou deserves to be in jail? Simple question. think Jul 2013 #20

Yes, ProSense Jul 2013 #26

So his crime was releasing classified information proving torture was used think Jul 2013 #30

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #33

OK /nt think Jul 2013 #43

Dick Cheney must feel good knowing the whistleblower who revealed water torture think Jul 2013 #40

clarification- whistleblowers bring info to Congress first. Leakers do not. From what I've read KittyWampus Jul 2013 #11

Yep. Then their name is sent to the DOJ to be brought up on charges. think Jul 2013 #19

You know damn well Hissyspit Jul 2013 #6

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #8

Your games are embarrassing. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #17

The fact that you think anyone is playing "games" is "embarrassing" ProSense Jul 2013 #21

Yes I do. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #25

You mean ProSense Jul 2013 #29

It would make your posts easier to decipher if you would use the 'excerpt' when quoiting people. RC Jul 2013 #37

Oh, for fuck's sake. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #39

Spare me. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #47

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #38

Name-calling all you got? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #42

And as we know, the law is never morally wrong. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #51

That ProSense Jul 2013 #58

When the law is being used to intimidate people... NuclearDem Jul 2013 #62

That ProSense Jul 2013 #63

Yep yup. Exactly. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #34

Well shit, if a Chinese State-run newspaper says it, it must be true. Bonobo Jul 2013 #48

Wait a sec..two experts working for spy agencies leaked this info? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9

? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #10

From the article: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #14

Wait, ProSense Jul 2013 #18

well The Straight Story Jul 2013 #22

First ProSense Jul 2013 #31

Guess we have to believe Snowden brush Jul 2013 #52

No, two "experts" working for NYT made it up (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #27

Wait a sec... You trusted Snowden??? hahahahahahahahahahaaha MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #41

His word is worth zero treestar Jul 2013 #12

And the word of those who claim it happened with zero proof is worth? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #15

is worth dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #24

But we know better.. kentuck Jul 2013 #23

you don't seem to know much. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #36

I feel better knowing that a guy who can't be trusted with secrets leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #28

I suppose Snowden never slept, either. Or slept like a baby, assured by Chinese officials blm Jul 2013 #32

The denials are interesting. ProSense Jul 2013 #46

Especially that the Chinese 'press' was owned by a longtime friend of Bush family? blm Jul 2013 #60

The fleeing to Hong Kong never made sense. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #61

The why did he go to China and Russia? He could have gone straight to Venezuela. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #35

20/20 hind sight there? RC Jul 2013 #44

I think it was good to be somewhere big when everyone was in a tizzy NoOneMan Jul 2013 #54

And you know this because you were there, right? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #68

I don't think Snowden really cares about what does or doesn't help his case. The Cleita Jul 2013 #45

At this point, why would he lie? Bonobo Jul 2013 #49

Do you ProSense Jul 2013 #50

China media is notorious for being controlled. Bonobo Jul 2013 #56

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #59

For someone that cant keep secrets.. HipChick Jul 2013 #53

Besides Bonobo's reasons, think about it, e.g. Clapper lied to Congress & snappyturtle Jul 2013 #65

Rather it emboldened previous whistle blowers like Russ Tice to step forward again think Jul 2013 #55

Is he willing to swear an oath to that effect? Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #57

The NYT hasn't exactly earned our trust over the past eleven years or so. grasswire Jul 2013 #64

Please proceed, Greenwald. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #66

Yup, Snowden ProSense Jul 2013 #69

Private contractors have one goal: profits... polichick Jul 2013 #67