I'm a favorite uncle to several nephews, of whom I have manhandled quite easily

[MrScorpio]

34. Dempsey?

I thought Mike Tyson said that. Well, whatever.

Besides, I really don't think that Z's surprise attack story by Martin holds any water.

Merely for the fact that it was Z who made the conscious effort to track down Martin, who didn't want anything to do with Z in the first place.

Z definitely wanted Martin to stick around because he called the police and would be just a matter of time before they showed up. That would have given Z all the more reason for him to attempt to physically detain Martin. Had Martin EVEN got a first punch thrown in, that, more likely than not would have been as a response to Z physically grabbing Martin.

Why would any person who had a way to escape, suddenly turn back on their stalker to attack them while that stalker was in the midst of stalking them? Are we to believe that Z suddenly became the stalked once he encountered Martin, who then made the first physical contact upon Z?

There was no question that each of them still had the presence of mind to engage in a struggle. Everyone knows that there no bushes for Martin to surprise Z from. Which then arrives us at the point I tried to make about grown man upper body strength in a struggle versus a skinny teen.

Martin committed no crime before Z began stalking him with his gun...

Why do Z defenders avoid any notion that it was Martin who had right to defend himself from someone tracking him down and cornering him for no damn good reason at all?