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TorchTheWitch

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105. that's exactly what I think it was
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 03:38 AM
Jul 2013

Except I don't believe his head hit any concrete. Martin's body was no where near the sidewalk, and several witnesses said they were fighting on the grass. But there's all kinds of stuff in grass like little stones and bits of tree branches where hitting one's head on the grass covered ground could produce the same kind of bitty abrasions he had. It was also February, so the grass would not have been lush and thick as in spring and summer but sparse and shriveled... probably just enough to lightly cover the dirt. From the re-enactment video that's how the grass looked to me.

I don't know how I missed that! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #1
sunset/dark dothemath Jul 2013 #20
Ever gone for an after dinner walk? n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #64
Ah, yes, another apologist cliffordu Jul 2013 #88
"the RIGHT to wander around, kinda" Sad and so true about so much. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #100
Oh well, then... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #101
So now we all have curfews? Violators will be shot on sight by vigilante assholes with no legal Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #108
So it was dark, so what? demwing Jul 2013 #117
if it was dark, he must have been guilty, eh? spanone Jul 2013 #120
Well that changes everything Politicub Jul 2013 #125
I normally eat dinner around 730pm daily. If out prior, I am coming home around 716pm graham4anything Jul 2013 #151
What IS good for Zimmerman is the idiot DA charging him with murder instead of manslaughter. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #45
From the chatter in the media, it appears that conviction on lesser charge is possible. MH1 Jul 2013 #46
The prosecution alluded to that JimDandy Jul 2013 #69
For some reason that shit fell through with Casey Anthony. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #96
the problem with Casey Anthony gejohnston Jul 2013 #98
an original intent to kill would be 1st degree. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #48
Aren't there also two categories of manslaughter in Florida? brush Jul 2013 #70
Manslaughter is included in the charges. So he could be not guilty of 2nd, guilty of manslaughter. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #50
Okay, thanks everyone. I was wondering about that. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #55
If you didn't see proceedings from yesterday you might like to watch these Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #57
For those of us who don't have the time to go through it all why don't you grantcart Jul 2013 #124
it was the prosecution who convinced me. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #126
That wasn't John Guy, it was Richard Mantei. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #127
you are right, my bad.. I have been repeatedly saying John Guy Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #128
Indeedy. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #129
excellent. I cannot watch a minute of the defense. grantcart Jul 2013 #130
I was sharing your same concerns. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2013 #58
The DA can amend the indictment to include lesser, included offenses anytime. Deep13 Jul 2013 #54
here is the actual law gejohnston Jul 2013 #99
for 2nd degree murder all they have to prove is ill intent TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #103
and apparently didn't know his neighbors, either.. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #131
Martin's entire trip from start to the shooting is barely 30 minutes. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2013 #81
once again, he was NOT the "neighborhood watch captain". he was acting on his own. nw does niyad Jul 2013 #83
Good post. n/t Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #102
to the greatest page so more people can get the impact of the OP Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #2
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #3
Great point lumpy Jul 2013 #4
ZM profiled and executed a kid.. HipChick Jul 2013 #5
Expensive guns are burning holes in a lot of pockets Warpy Jul 2013 #6
Not just 'gunloons,' I'm afraid. Just like with the King case, there are plenty of moderate, TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #49
It amazes me as well. NT ctsnowman Jul 2013 #27
Something else I've been wondering about is Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #7
No. He had tmobile which allowed him to talk and surf the web ecstatic Jul 2013 #10
Yes. Yet it was too dark out to see much of anything per every witness..... Little Star Jul 2013 #13
Good point, thanks Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #14
Like someone set up thread, it's a lie brush Jul 2013 #71
I wouldn't doubt it - but it's hardly a capital offense! hedgehog Jul 2013 #24
It was a neighborhood where all the houses look alike XemaSab Jul 2013 #36
Good point. And it was a Sunday evening. Not exactly peak time for break-ins, etc. Hoyt Jul 2013 #8
The one thing I'm unsure about... woolldog Jul 2013 #22
Nose could have been kick from the gun, especially if he was holding it in an awkward position. MH1 Jul 2013 #47
that's an interesting possibility. thanks. nt woolldog Jul 2013 #67
I hadn't thought of that - they said the shot was a contact shot SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #90
that's exactly what I think it was TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #105
I agree. I think it hasn't actually been proven that his head contacted concrete. MH1 Jul 2013 #122
I'm going to guess you've never fired a pistol before. kudzu22 Jul 2013 #137
Mostly M16 in the Army. But I'm going by others' suggestions. MH1 Jul 2013 #141
In a perfect world, it shouldn't matter. He wouldn't have had ANY injuries at all if he'd TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #51
Damn, Trollbuster! WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2013 #62
Well I sort of agree. woolldog Jul 2013 #66
I wonder if Zimmerman tried to restrain Trayvon csziggy Jul 2013 #97
That's how I see it too. yardwork Jul 2013 #68
Thanks for the excellent observations, TrollBuster protect our future Jul 2013 #119
Thanks! Like you, I haven't been keeping up with all the details, and I don't know TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #152
What you said. +1M. nt. MH1 Jul 2013 #121
Martin Had A Small Cut On Left Little Finger Near The Knuckle DallasNE Jul 2013 #87
Wow I never knew the time obama2terms Jul 2013 #9
K & R Tribalceltic Jul 2013 #11
For some reason I thought it was much later than that. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #12
The Zimmerman cheerleaders Mariana Jul 2013 #16
White supremacist websites were the first to spread these lies. yardwork Jul 2013 #18
Same here. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #30
In my head, it was like 10-11pm? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #40
I guess they just believed him. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #104
True AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #15
I think 2nd degree murder is the minimum for this act hedgehog Jul 2013 #25
Yes. One of the reasons I knew Zimmerman was guilty yardwork Jul 2013 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #32
Trayvon was still a kid. He was Murdered! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #33
Zimmerman is dogshit, and anyone who would defend him is lower than dogshit Tom Ripley Jul 2013 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #38
What do you consider a child? maddezmom Jul 2013 #35
17 is still a kid. HappyMe Jul 2013 #39
"Zippy" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #41
Please do. HappyMe Jul 2013 #42
I just asked my husband "based on what you have heard, what time do you think Trayvon was shot" nadine_mn Jul 2013 #19
Exactly. locdlib Jul 2013 #21
"Why was Trayvon out so late at night?" I have seen that question a LOT on the internet arcane1 Jul 2013 #23
Yeah, that's one of three ridiculous memes that are floating around. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #156
A juror did say that and also mentioned the 'riots' jbnow Jul 2013 #72
Holy crap, did this person make it onto the jury??? n/t TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #134
Wow! How come this fact hasn't been trumpeted? I, too, thought it was much later. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #26
YUP.. kicking the thread again (piggybacking here..) Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #59
K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #28
When I started looking into this case Just Saying Jul 2013 #29
My Faux News watching neighbor is convinced justiceischeap Jul 2013 #31
He called 911 at 7:09 Powdered Toast Man Jul 2013 #37
I still don't think Zimmerman killed Martin because of race. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #43
Because he is a cop-wannabe garden variety fucking coward. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #44
I do. MADem Jul 2013 #52
Absolutely. We all know that, which is why it's so absurd that the Judge forbid the prosecution TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #56
Are you guys a comedy team ? NM_Birder Jul 2013 #149
For the third time in this particular thread, I AM NOT CLAIMING ZIMMERMAN IS A RACIST. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #153
awkward, I'm not sure if you're serious or confused. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #158
How exactly would you describe "racism"? TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #161
I understand what you are saying, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #139
The facts do support it, to my mind. MADem Jul 2013 #140
you express what's in your mind clearly. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #142
I don't have to "want" anything--the guy gets the label by his very own actions. MADem Jul 2013 #144
I expected no less. Bravo. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #145
You don't even know me, so spare me the condescension. MADem Jul 2013 #146
Annnnnnnnd cut. LOL. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #148
You're easily distracted by straw man arguments, aren't you? You'd have been a perfect TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #154
Actually, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #159
If "race had been left out of it" Martin wouldn't have been profiled by Zimmerman in the first place TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #160
Get your facts straight. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #163
you don't have to be a racist to profile, imo Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #63
Yes. yardwork Jul 2013 #116
Exactly. I really don't get why people are so easily distracted by the straw man argument TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #155
yes, the race is part of the profile. I don't consider that to be racism per se. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #157
"treat people differently, based on pre-existing BIAS that's based on race"= racism NM_Birder Jul 2013 #164
Look up the Fallacy of The Undistributed Middle Term. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #166
Are you kidding? It was all about race Hugabear Jul 2013 #86
it wasn't ALL about race TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #109
Nobody ever suggested he KILLED Martin because of race, just that he selectively TARGETED him TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #162
This reminds me of the "high speed chase" meme in the Rodney King debacle. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2013 #53
Zimmerman wasn't brought to the police station for his statement Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #60
He was seen on the phone immediately JimDandy Jul 2013 #73
I've always been so curious about that TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #110
26 Feb 2012 sunset was at 6:23 PM OldRedneck Jul 2013 #61
And we all know that unfortunately, WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2013 #65
What Twilight? DallasNE Jul 2013 #106
Thanks for pointing that out. I heard it, too, but wasn't quick enough Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #114
how do you know when the gun came out? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #132
Like I Said Before DallasNE Jul 2013 #135
how do you know when the gun came out? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #133
True DallasNE Jul 2013 #136
Probably not between those two rows of buildings TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #111
True, Plus Zim's bruises ..... cntrygrl Jul 2013 #74
Lets put it John2 Jul 2013 #75
Can anyone explain cntrygrl Jul 2013 #165
welcome to DU! renate Jul 2013 #82
Time line cntrygrl Jul 2013 #138
I just wanna know how he got off a shot right to the heart ... Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #76
Now that you mention it, I haven't seen a word about where the bullet ended up arcane1 Jul 2013 #79
Pretty sure they took it out of his body. Honestly not certain though. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #80
It was hollow point and it broke into fragments in his body... targetpractice Jul 2013 #91
The Lead Core Was Found Right Behind His Heart DallasNE Jul 2013 #107
It was an expanding bullet TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #112
K&R proReality Jul 2013 #77
Clearly. Did you hear what GZ wrote tblue Jul 2013 #78
I think he used the word "hunt" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #95
that really freaked me out TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #113
Perfectly expressed. Agree with you 100%. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #115
The pro-Zimmerman cheerleading squad here at DU just reaffirms what I already knew... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #84
Very good point Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #85
Yes, and the nerve he had to walk slowly in the rain! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #89
And he looked at Zimmerman, too. targetpractice Jul 2013 #93
K&R for all the kids that walk to the store and then home. Rex Jul 2013 #92
but he had some weapons rufus dog Jul 2013 #94
Defense Attorney said TM was "armed with a concrete sidewalk" displacedtexan Jul 2013 #150
Zimmerman saw Trayvon and thought "Kid's a burglar." dusty trails Jul 2013 #118
He should have to take another polygraph libodem Jul 2013 #123
Just sickening. we can do it Jul 2013 #143
So true. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #147
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