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NoodleyAppendage

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182. And, just like MLK, it is likely that Snowden will also be assassinated.

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:23 PM

Jul 2013

Those that threaten the balance of power are likely to suffer the consequences. Dissent is only tolerated as long as it does not threaten to usurp the "system."

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It's a dark day in our nation when high-level authorities use every method to silence dissent [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

The American way would be to sue. Course when it was tried, there was a small problem Pholus Jul 2013 #1

are you serious? lol. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #4

I'm dissenting and no one is stopping me. What do you mean? kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #50

You cannot sing to a stone. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #65

You can if you're a rock singer. Orrex Jul 2013 #120

Alright, I feel the burn.... ;) Pholus Jul 2013 #121

DUzy. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #124

In addition to depriving you of your rights to a free press, free speech, free trial, etc., JDPriestly Jul 2013 #85

I'm sure they like them donuts just fine because they have nothing to hide magellan Jul 2013 #110

Exactly! 100% bang on. How can some here be so intellectually dishonest? This is DU!!! n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #139

I don't know magellan Jul 2013 #142

The same dark forces that existed in his day have grown in our time. Th1onein Jul 2013 #2

the systematic oppression of protest by the government... tomp Jul 2013 #161

This is a machine from WWII that has had increasing control over time. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #183

K&R, if only we had leaders like King nowadays quinnox Jul 2013 #3

Leaders are not born. They step forth when they are needed. Th1onein Jul 2013 #7

Men have to be led, that is reality quinnox Jul 2013 #12

We're not allowed to have a great president Hydra Jul 2013 #30

We HAD a chance. bvar22 Jul 2013 #45

I wonder if he senses or regrets what he has tossed away. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #46

It is amazing how fast they have walked away in face of nineteen50 Jul 2013 #55

". . . must sell out to those who own the apparatus to do so." siligut Jul 2013 #63

And THAT is the problem. "Centrist" is now a bad word on both the far left bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #97

No one can LEAD from The Center. bvar22 Jul 2013 #104

The composition of congress was much different under both. Blanks Jul 2013 #172

Excuses, excuses....always with the excuses. bvar22 Jul 2013 #181

Give me an example of a president... Blanks Jul 2013 #186

The other problem is that the definition of word centrist has shifted... Bonhomme Richard Jul 2013 #132

if you "stand with Obama" zeeland Jul 2013 #166

Out of curiosity, define "far left" truebluegreen Jul 2013 #167

People fucking sat back and let him do all the work, then bitched at the results Hekate Jul 2013 #155

For of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, It might have been. That's on US. Hekate Jul 2013 #156

Harry Truman, predicting 2010 and explaining why: bvar22 Jul 2013 #184

+100000000000000! SunSeeker Jul 2013 #158

Certainly the saddest words. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #168

+1 bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author zeeland Jul 2013 #163

I don't think a president is going to do it. They are bought and paid for. Th1onein Jul 2013 #149

If by "they" you mean our esteemed legislators, Skidmore Jul 2013 #173

ALL of them, from the president on down. They've all got to be replaced. Th1onein Jul 2013 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #114

+1 zeeland Jul 2013 #162

Isn't the actual point to make sure we don't? Pholus Jul 2013 #8

Leaders get shot... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #125

"I submit that an individual who breaks a law... ProSense Jul 2013 #5

Rosa Parks broke the "law". HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #9

Rosa Parks fled to Hong Kong? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #21

Maybe she would have ... dawg Jul 2013 #23

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #27

She was a very brave woman. dawg Jul 2013 #36

Compared to today?...yes. zeemike Jul 2013 #84

Ever heard of ProSense Jul 2013 #87

If he was a coward. zeemike Jul 2013 #93

X10000 bvar22 Jul 2013 #185

+ anyone who cares about our inalienable rights. truedelphi Jul 2013 #195

let's not forget that MLK Jr was assassinated, very likely by a FBI-run conspiracy NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #102

this x 100,000,000 NT sigmasix Jul 2013 #111

OH MY GOD Number23 Jul 2013 #134

She wasn't thrown into solitary confinement for months on end and the UN did not totodeinhere Jul 2013 #170

Or worse, the Anwar Al-Awlaki treatment. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #38

Anwar Al Awlaki was an implacable enemy of the United States. cheapdate Jul 2013 #106

Sounds like it would have been a slam-dunk trial. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #137

I don't how you can say the United States outsourced his killing. cheapdate Jul 2013 #145

He was tried in absentia in Yemen. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #147

The order to kill Awlaki was given almost a year cheapdate Jul 2013 #150

Due process is optional now. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #153

The use of lethal force to stop a crime in progress is not an abrogation of due process. cheapdate Jul 2013 #179

What crime in progress was being committed? OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #180

According to the government: cheapdate Jul 2013 #188

None of those are "crimes in progress." OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #196

The president and his advisers reached a different conclusion, cheapdate Jul 2013 #201

I see. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #202

That would appear to be the case, cheapdate Jul 2013 #203

"Bradley Manning treatment" Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #66

Standing up for harsh treatment of a prisoner and solitary confinement. dawg Jul 2013 #70

Solitary confinement may be harsh treatment but not "torture" Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #71

That's why, in my post that you responded to, I referred to ... dawg Jul 2013 #72

Why even bring up "the Bradley Manning treatment" at all. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #75

Because, knowing how he has been treated, I can't blame Snowden for not ... dawg Jul 2013 #78

Thing is Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #79

I suspect Mr. Manning has gotten some "special" treatment, but ... dawg Jul 2013 #80

Really? It's normal in this country to hold an uncharged person in solitary for months on end? magellan Jul 2013 #129

I disagree ... IMO it is absolutely torture the way it's implemented in our SuperMax prisons ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #105

And you know this How? truedelphi Jul 2013 #118

Solitary confinement is 23 hours a day. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #127

Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules totodeinhere Jul 2013 #171

Totally agree with you. For Snowden to do this after truedelphi Jul 2013 #117

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #52

When the laws are unjust, secret and violate our guaranteed nineteen50 Jul 2013 #60

I think I will have to take Malcolm X's side on this one. Vattel Jul 2013 #82

A smart one. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #115

It doesn't matter if he is a coward or not. It is not about him. What he did raised totodeinhere Jul 2013 #169

Sorry, but you're making no sense... brooklynite Jul 2013 #6

Oh come now....... Th1onein Jul 2013 #10

Authoritarians will defend unconstitutional laws until the bitter end. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #14

Just my opinion, but I don't think the majority of them are authoritarians LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #57

Oops! rusty fender Jul 2013 #62

Blindly following a leader is an aspect of authoritarianism. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #64

Just the fact that you interpret things that way treestar Jul 2013 #99

If Obama wants to defend NSA surveillence in open court, bring it on. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #109

He doesn't need to... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #177

No content is stored frazzled Jul 2013 #53

It's all stored, have you not seen the $12B facility in Utah for storage? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #73

Pretty word, metadata tavalon Jul 2013 #143

Methinks you need to re-read the MLK, Jr. quote again - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #13

Right?? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15

Much better to keep the sites up so as to allow people to vent, impotently, on the internet. dawg Jul 2013 #29

Correct. When we expend our wrath on our keyboards, we are much less likely to do anything RC Jul 2013 #59

Chomsky, as usual, is instructive: HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #103

Reporters are having a hard time communicating with anonymous sources ... dawg Jul 2013 #26

Two very important posts, dawg. Chilling. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #42

You need an explanation on how dissent is being silenced? You don't know? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #28

They "know," chervilant Jul 2013 #35

They are probably the same ones who say that Bush kept us safe from attack. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #88

You might be interested in chervilant Jul 2013 #92

Thanks. I'm willing to bet at least some of those exploiting the unfortunates have read it as well. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #94

I think it's important to note chervilant Jul 2013 #176

These people have not seen Occupiers get pepper sprayed and beaten? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #74

So in other words, because things are okay now, thus they ever shall be? Demit Jul 2013 #40

Makes no sense to those who have no sense usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #41

Snowden, like MLK and others, committed acts of civil disobedience. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #11

MLK didn't run from the challenge. He faced intimidators head-on. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #17

How about Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and all the others who ran away? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #20

I get your point, but let us not also forget Nat Turner (who stayed and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #24

You're seriously comparing running from the active abuses of slavery CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #43

The slaves broke the law by stealing property and ran away. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #68

The law Snowden broke was NOT wrong. He violated employer confidentiality. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #81

If that's all. They should fire him and hire an obedient worker bee. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #83

No that wasn't all. Snowden upped it by sharing stolen information with China and Russia. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #95

wow. just wow. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #90

This embarassingly moronic thread is helping folks TRULY show their ignorance as well as their asses Number23 Jul 2013 #135

And folks JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #165

THANK YOU. Number23 Jul 2013 #191

Yeppers JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #194

You were comparing him to MLK not two posts back, for fucks sake. Marr Jul 2013 #123

How do you figure? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #128

Do I really have to quote your own words to you when they're in a title right ^ there? Marr Jul 2013 #131

Wouldn't that be contrasting, not comparing? N/T Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2013 #175

+++ marions ghost Jul 2013 #192

Hides? chervilant Jul 2013 #37

I agree that he ultimately cannot hide, but he's doing his best. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #89

hmm... "people are acting as if..." chervilant Jul 2013 #96

Just make that "some people" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #130

Are you familiar with Calhoun's work on overpopulation? chervilant Jul 2013 #141

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #51

So in your opinion LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #58

He should have lawyered up and turned himself in. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #69

There's one huge difference LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #200

Back in the day, American dissidents were not put into solitary confinement, truedelphi Jul 2013 #116

And while one may be metaphoric (for now) tavalon Jul 2013 #144

obedience is not the same as moral. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #91

Snowden is like MLK? I thought he was supposed to be like Paul Revere... SunSeeker Jul 2013 #159

You can lead horses to water . . . For the life of me, the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #16

And always the same disgraced horses too n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #22

There's a Democrat in the White House. WTH is the matter with you? TransitJohn Jul 2013 #18

I ran out of koolaid in June 2008 lol n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #112

Not every method yet. The Link Jul 2013 #19

Yeah but give em time :( n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #32

Excellent post, Catherina. MLK made so many profound, relevant, timeless statements. Zorra Jul 2013 #25

This speech resonates so strongly right now Catherina Jul 2013 #31

It is the standard MO of the MIC to use deceit, aggression, and violence against those most Zorra Jul 2013 #61

I see no other hope either Catherina Jul 2013 #86

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #33

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #34

DU seems still to be up and running. dbackjon Jul 2013 #39

So we can all relax! This is proof that democracy is permanent! Demit Jul 2013 #44

The OP didn't say the dissent was at risk in the future... brooklynite Jul 2013 #47

I was responding to the post that says DU is still running. Demit Jul 2013 #107

Psst! I hear rumors of a secret Cable News channel that criticizes the Administration constantly! brooklynite Jul 2013 #48

. ProSense Jul 2013 #49

Right? A true 'authoritarian' administration would have ground that upstart out of existence. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #76

Here here! treestar Jul 2013 #100

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #54

OP is same person who cheered crackdowns in other countries. joshcryer Jul 2013 #152

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #56

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #67

Dissent is alive and well. So is quoting Dr. King when trying to make a piss poor argument valid. great white snark Jul 2013 #77

+ a million. The only saving grace for this POS OP is that it's not sitting on 300 recs Number23 Jul 2013 #138

k and r snagglepuss Jul 2013 #98

the "smoooth patriotism" is thick in the air... Agony Jul 2013 #101

Sabrina! Catherina Jul 2013 #113

oops, SORRY... Agony Jul 2013 #119

You can Catherina Jul 2013 #148

Here's a good example of a "method to silence dissent" ProSense Jul 2013 #108

Well, it looks like a dark day.... ReRe Jul 2013 #122

What this OP needs ... is more bold font. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #126

It would be hard for any moderately intelligent person with a second grade understanding of Number23 Jul 2013 #136

Excellent! DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #154

Don't know why you'd care either way. Won't do anything for that transparency page Number23 Jul 2013 #157

Well done Madame JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #208

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #133

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #140

Actually, snot Jul 2013 #146

. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #151

Thank you, Catherina. Appreciate your investment here so much. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #160

Metadata does not belong to you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #164

He is a traitor. wisteria Jul 2013 #178

No can do. Dr. King was assassinated by a RW authoritarian in 1968. Zorra Jul 2013 #189

And, just like MLK, it is likely that Snowden will also be assassinated. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #182

I hope not. But he sure is hated by the same selfish people, same hypocrites. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #187

Great post Oilwellian Jul 2013 #190

K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #193

Keep going! Rex Jul 2013 #197

What a great parallel Rex Catherina Jul 2013 #198

A true leader of men and women. Rex Jul 2013 #199

K&R liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #204

Wouldn't FOX News be shut down if dissent was being silenced? Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #206

Good point JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #211

K & R! mia Jul 2013 #207

Anyone who believes that this is what is going on with Snowden is seriously deluded. baldguy Jul 2013 #209

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #210