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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
20. Diplomatic Privelege is not a joke.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jul 2013

Look, let's stop screwing around here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause

Before we violate a treaty, we're supposed to notify the other signatories that we are leaving the treaty, and each treaty has a time limit from when we announce, to when we are no longer bound by it. The Vienna Conventions are in force at this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations

The treaty is an extensive document, containing 53 articles. Following is a basic overview of its key provisions.[2] For a comprehensive enumeration of all articles, consult the original text.[3]
Article 9. The host nation may at any time and for any reason declare a particular member of the diplomatic staff to be persona non grata. The sending state must recall this person within a reasonable period of time, or otherwise this person may lose their diplomatic immunity.
Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolate and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property. Article 30 extends this provision to the private residence of the diplomats.
Article 27. The host country must permit and protect free communication between the diplomats of the mission and their home country. A diplomatic bag must never be opened even on suspicion of abuse. A diplomatic courier must never be arrested or detained.
Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.
Article 31.1c Actions not covered by diplomatic immunity: professional activity outside diplomat's official functions.
Article 37. The family members of a diplomat that are living in the host country enjoy most of the same protections as the diplomats themselves


Now, either those words mean things, or they do not. Either we are a world built upon independent nations, and our independent nations is one where laws and principles matter, or it is merely thinly organized anarchy, where might makes right. I sincerely hope it is not the latter. I'd hate to think that my faith in the rule of law for all the years of my life, and my Father's entire life, was misplaced.
he committed mass murder, so yes, asking other countries... allin99 Jul 2013 #1
Moot point. First of all, it may already have happened, BUT BUSHCO was never interested rustydog Jul 2013 #2
Of course. We were *at war* with OBL. Sorry to drag law into this, but it matters cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #3
Hell Yes.. we would get Bin Laden Peacetrain Jul 2013 #4
the end would not justify the means. We are a country of laws , without them we are nothing. bowens43 Jul 2013 #10
Tell that to the thousands killed by Bin Laden Peacetrain Jul 2013 #11
This is the exact argument/excuse the neocons used to invade Iraq AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #13
Bull Hockey.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #14
Let me add this to my own post.. specifics Peacetrain Jul 2013 #15
The money laundering operations in Iraq and Afghanistan AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #22
Off topic much? the question was specific.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #25
My answer is specific to YOUr position AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #26
The United Nations had been trying to get Bin Laden out of Afghanistan since 1999 Peacetrain Jul 2013 #29
Sorry, I don't buy into AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #33
Okay.. I do not do na na nah boo boo Peacetrain Jul 2013 #44
Upwards of 1M Iraqis killed. This has nothing at all to do with OBL, however. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #37
The whole thread is about OBL Peacetrain Jul 2013 #41
Brace yourself. Have a comfortable seat. I have something to tell you. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #43
Who said anything about Iraq having anything to do with 9/11 Peacetrain Jul 2013 #45
You did, in post 15 DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #48
Clean your glasses my friend.. I did NOT Peacetrain Jul 2013 #49
Ok. I believe you, but I still don't understand your original point DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #51
My original post Peacetrain Jul 2013 #54
Bin Laden was never indicted for 9/11. Mainly because he didn't matter and while I think sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #68
The UN was trying to extract OBL out of Afghanistan starting in 1999 Peacetrain Jul 2013 #76
I am more than familiar with the entire history of Bin Laden. He took responsibility for the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #77
200 people killed at an embassy in 98 is hardly pointless Peacetrain Jul 2013 #80
Yes, I remember that and it was considered to be fake at the time. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84
I am not sure what you are saying.. so before I misconstrue your intent Peacetrain Jul 2013 #85
I would have arrested him for what he was indicted for, the Embassy Bombings. There sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #91
Let me add a second post to this sabrina.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #86
Yes, he should have been arrested, charged and tried like anyone else who commits sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #87
I appreciate what you are saying and agree with you .. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #89
depends, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #5
Suppose a foreign leader had georgy bush in her plane. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #6
If There Was A Warrant... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #21
+1 nt Zorra Jul 2013 #75
Me too. I've been saying that for years. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2013 #79
As justified as another country doing the same for certain high ranking ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #7
bogus comparison Enrique Jul 2013 #8
Of course it would NOT have been justified. bowens43 Jul 2013 #9
No Marrah_G Jul 2013 #12
absolutely, and I will go even farther and say we would be justified in shooting it down arely staircase Jul 2013 #16
You'd shoot down Angela Merkel's plane? Seriously? For harboring/ferrying a fugitive? Whoa. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #31
Angela Merkel hanging with bin Laden? arely staircase Jul 2013 #46
And you call Mullah Omar a "world leader"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #59
I would call him a "foreign leader" as per the OP arely staircase Jul 2013 #60
I really don't think that's what the OP had in mind. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #63
Why doesn't that count? arely staircase Jul 2013 #64
"her" cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #65
so it has to be a female foreign leader? arely staircase Jul 2013 #66
Take your complaint to the OP. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #67
no complaint, I just don't interpret the OP as limiting the scenario to the less than 10 percent arely staircase Jul 2013 #69
Suppose Obama was riding in Merkel's plane... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #34
in that scenario they would have to consider the wisdom of it arely staircase Jul 2013 #47
Ahhh, the "might makes right" argument. OK. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #50
In a war? Yes. arely staircase Jul 2013 #53
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #17
Even though it was carried out by Saudis AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #23
Wow. I guess I missed your openly advocating wiping out over 3,000,000 innocent people. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #30
You should really go somewhere else with your mass murder fantasies DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #39
sick Marrah_G Jul 2013 #72
If a foreign leader had OBL on a plane with him or her knowing how he was, the plane bluestate10 Jul 2013 #18
That depends. Which party is the president a member of? QC Jul 2013 #19
... idwiyo Jul 2013 #28
Diplomatic Privelege is not a joke. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #20
Let us get the facts right, so we know what we are actually discussing, before we consider struggle4progress Jul 2013 #81
Vienna Conventions Savannahmann Jul 2013 #82
According to at least one of the articles in my prior post, Morales himself cited struggle4progress Jul 2013 #83
Didn't we give some Saudi's a ride home after 9/11? (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #24
Yes, but obviously we only helped The Good Bin Ladens DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #40
Absolutely not. Diplomatic plane, specifically when it's a leader's of the foreign country plane idwiyo Jul 2013 #27
Some of the replies in this thread are NOTHING LESS THAN BREATHTAKING. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #32
Yep. DU has been infiltrated by bloodthirsty totalitarian fascists. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #35
+1 magellan Jul 2013 #36
"Appalling" and "clueless" are the words I'd use. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #55
welcome to the big tent frylock Jul 2013 #78
Are you attempting to compare Snowden to one of the greatest terrorists of the 20th/21st century? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #38
Once again, you make comparisons jazzimov Jul 2013 #42
Suppose they had Adolph Hitler? BainsBane Jul 2013 #52
But Mother Teresa is flying the plane! arely staircase Jul 2013 #56
In that case BainsBane Jul 2013 #57
Well, according to Christopher Hitchens, who is also dead, shooting down msanthrope Jul 2013 #70
to complicate matters, Hitchens is on the plane too arely staircase Jul 2013 #71
Hitchens is on!!! Shoot the fucker down. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #73
Yes. He was responsible for the deaths of many innocent people, and the probability that he Zorra Jul 2013 #58
So how many people did he kill Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #62
I have absolutely no idea. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #74
Apples and Oranges Aerows Jul 2013 #61
No. It would constitute an act of war. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #88
No, but why would they do that anyway? Rex Jul 2013 #90
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