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In reply to the discussion: Suppose a foreign leader had Osama bin Laden in her plane [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)20. Diplomatic Privelege is not a joke.
Look, let's stop screwing around here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause
Before we violate a treaty, we're supposed to notify the other signatories that we are leaving the treaty, and each treaty has a time limit from when we announce, to when we are no longer bound by it. The Vienna Conventions are in force at this time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations
The treaty is an extensive document, containing 53 articles. Following is a basic overview of its key provisions.[2] For a comprehensive enumeration of all articles, consult the original text.[3]
Article 9. The host nation may at any time and for any reason declare a particular member of the diplomatic staff to be persona non grata. The sending state must recall this person within a reasonable period of time, or otherwise this person may lose their diplomatic immunity.
Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolate and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property. Article 30 extends this provision to the private residence of the diplomats.
Article 27. The host country must permit and protect free communication between the diplomats of the mission and their home country. A diplomatic bag must never be opened even on suspicion of abuse. A diplomatic courier must never be arrested or detained.
Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.
Article 31.1c Actions not covered by diplomatic immunity: professional activity outside diplomat's official functions.
Article 37. The family members of a diplomat that are living in the host country enjoy most of the same protections as the diplomats themselves
Article 9. The host nation may at any time and for any reason declare a particular member of the diplomatic staff to be persona non grata. The sending state must recall this person within a reasonable period of time, or otherwise this person may lose their diplomatic immunity.
Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolate and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property. Article 30 extends this provision to the private residence of the diplomats.
Article 27. The host country must permit and protect free communication between the diplomats of the mission and their home country. A diplomatic bag must never be opened even on suspicion of abuse. A diplomatic courier must never be arrested or detained.
Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.
Article 31.1c Actions not covered by diplomatic immunity: professional activity outside diplomat's official functions.
Article 37. The family members of a diplomat that are living in the host country enjoy most of the same protections as the diplomats themselves
Now, either those words mean things, or they do not. Either we are a world built upon independent nations, and our independent nations is one where laws and principles matter, or it is merely thinly organized anarchy, where might makes right. I sincerely hope it is not the latter. I'd hate to think that my faith in the rule of law for all the years of my life, and my Father's entire life, was misplaced.
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Moot point. First of all, it may already have happened, BUT BUSHCO was never interested
rustydog
Jul 2013
#2
Of course. We were *at war* with OBL. Sorry to drag law into this, but it matters
cthulu2016
Jul 2013
#3
the end would not justify the means. We are a country of laws , without them we are nothing.
bowens43
Jul 2013
#10
The United Nations had been trying to get Bin Laden out of Afghanistan since 1999
Peacetrain
Jul 2013
#29
Upwards of 1M Iraqis killed. This has nothing at all to do with OBL, however.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#37
Brace yourself. Have a comfortable seat. I have something to tell you.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#43
Bin Laden was never indicted for 9/11. Mainly because he didn't matter and while I think
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#68
I am more than familiar with the entire history of Bin Laden. He took responsibility for the
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#77
I would have arrested him for what he was indicted for, the Embassy Bombings. There
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#91
Yes, he should have been arrested, charged and tried like anyone else who commits
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#87
absolutely, and I will go even farther and say we would be justified in shooting it down
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#16
You'd shoot down Angela Merkel's plane? Seriously? For harboring/ferrying a fugitive? Whoa.
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2013
#31
no complaint, I just don't interpret the OP as limiting the scenario to the less than 10 percent
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#69
Wow. I guess I missed your openly advocating wiping out over 3,000,000 innocent people.
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2013
#30
If a foreign leader had OBL on a plane with him or her knowing how he was, the plane
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#18
Let us get the facts right, so we know what we are actually discussing, before we consider
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#81
According to at least one of the articles in my prior post, Morales himself cited
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#83
Absolutely not. Diplomatic plane, specifically when it's a leader's of the foreign country plane
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#27
Some of the replies in this thread are NOTHING LESS THAN BREATHTAKING.
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2013
#32
Are you attempting to compare Snowden to one of the greatest terrorists of the 20th/21st century?
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#38