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Now the issue is getting him there. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1
I'm sure Russia and China will be more than happy to oblige. reformist2 Jul 2013 #166
I think they would be too. If Russia wants to be gone with him I think they would hrmjustin Jul 2013 #167
VZ needs to issue him a safe conduct pass, like Ecuador did to get him out of Hong Kong. MADem Jul 2013 #188
They need to issue ES a passport, that's all he needs to clear Russian xtraxritical Jul 2013 #270
If they were doing it right, they'd need the legislature to vote on it, I would imagine. MADem Jul 2013 #275
I dunno, all I know is the Russian's want a valid travel document. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #289
He went from Hong Kong to Moscow on a travel authorization from Ecuador. MADem Jul 2013 #296
Here, courts decide. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #309
You don't need to find a copy of the actual law--that's well sourced info in and of itself. MADem Jul 2013 #311
Morales was not the only South American leader in Russia last week. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #312
Maduro, yes. MADem Jul 2013 #313
For starters-- pangaia Jul 2013 #265
Wasn't there an issue with Snowden not having traveling papers, passport, etc.? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #316
Maduro Rejects U.S. Extradition Request for Snowden struggle4progress Jul 2013 #2
CBS has this Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #78
Sweet libodem Jul 2013 #238
So now he's got two offers, the other being Nicaragua. Cleita Jul 2013 #3
Cleita.... What if he's already in Venezuela? Just a desperate thought lol. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #4
At this point with all this cloak and dagger stuff, anything could have happened. Cleita Jul 2013 #6
gras nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #25
grace. winter is coming Jul 2013 #58
coup de gras nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #69
It's grace. (Sounds like gras to our ears; "gras" sounds like gra.) winter is coming Jul 2013 #76
you are right arely staircase Jul 2013 #90
Actually, I meant coup d' etat as a riff on the overthrow of a state, but Cleita Jul 2013 #80
i think coup de grace "i mispelled it" makes more sense in the context of your post arely staircase Jul 2013 #88
Gras means fat. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #174
You're right; thanks. winter is coming Jul 2013 #177
Sounds like a diet plan. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #257
I would pay to know how trolled US about Snowden's presence on Morales' plane. Whoever it was they idwiyo Jul 2013 #36
I think a well utilized bug did the job. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #84
Hoist by their own petard. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #183
What a mighty wind from a little bug. JimDandy Jul 2013 #211
Petard is Firecracker in French (Canadian) n/t formercia Jul 2013 #254
That's the modern usage. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #262
A petard is a large hook for hanging things, like meat. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #271
petard (n.) Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #272
I'm hoisted. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #291
Jackpine has the correct meaning of the "hoisted on their own petard" term. nt MADem Jul 2013 #304
You mean something along the lines: idwiyo Jul 2013 #194
LOL Wicked JimDandy Jul 2013 #202
Awesome !! warrant46 Jul 2013 #251
Now THAT would be something! Catherina Jul 2013 #128
I mentioned a what if all the confusion was to obfuscate malaise Jul 2013 #112
Oh, yeah, but I wonder if they had the imagination to think of it and then pull it off. Cleita Jul 2013 #116
Never forget Putin was KGB malaise Jul 2013 #119
I would put my money on Putin and FSB. I bet he is having good time laughing his arse off over idwiyo Jul 2013 #150
I think they've already gone after Spain's PM with some corruption accusations, or maybe it was sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #222
The center right is in power there suffragette Jul 2013 #231
Well this is interesting. The little neocon offering Morales coffee, What are his ties to Otto Reich Catherina Jul 2013 #280
Good questions suffragette Jul 2013 #292
Snowden's leaks are exposing the international 1%. Endangering their profits Catherina Jul 2013 #293
So maybe at this summit, there was a meeting in a back room with Putin, Maduro and Cleita Jul 2013 #171
Can't wait to see this comedy in film, perhaps titled "Spies Like Us" ;-) n/t ReRe Jul 2013 #258
"Spies like us" which introduced the world to the beautiful Vanessa Angel 7962 Jul 2013 #318
And he still has a firm grip on security/intelligence services in Mutha Russia. nt MADem Jul 2013 #199
The GHW Bush of Russia malaise Jul 2013 #259
Precisely like the GHWB of Russia--only considerably more ruthless! nt MADem Jul 2013 #277
We shouldn't forget... kentuck Jul 2013 #186
Kentuck, you read my mind and several other peoples too (via pm) Catherina Jul 2013 #200
you guys are so smart..i leave for a few hours and you figure it out..lol, nt. xiamiam Jul 2013 #230
that was my thought as soon as I read about the Bolivian plane issues magical thyme Jul 2013 #267
I just thought of something. What if the calls claiming he was on Morales' plane were a diversion? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #221
Hahaha lol Catherina Jul 2013 #226
maybe that is why obama has been so quiet..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #232
I think he is being quiet because he doesn't have Snowden and nineteen50 Jul 2013 #301
I'm sorry, I can't resist Catherina Jul 2013 #236
I think he is out of Moscow already. kentuck Jul 2013 #10
Nicaragua too? I managed to miss that one. idwiyo Jul 2013 #17
There's another thread on it somewhere on GD. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #23
Just googled it. Thank you for the tip! idwiyo Jul 2013 #29
Maduro was in Moscow with Morales. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #310
Well, good luck with that railsback Jul 2013 #5
Mebbe. Except America sucks oil without ceasing struggle4progress Jul 2013 #7
No country can rely solely on oil revenues railsback Jul 2013 #20
its fucking venezuela! hahahahaha galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #40
fucktard is kind of an unfortunate term, IMO. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #49
meh, if the shoe fits. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #51
Not to mention it doesn't even make sense. randome Jul 2013 #55
Contraction of Fucking Retard n/t formercia Jul 2013 #256
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and others do just fine Gman Jul 2013 #91
exactly, Middle Eastern countries seem to get rich selling this oil stuff quinnox Jul 2013 #104
They'd better find someone to fix their refineries, too.... MADem Jul 2013 #205
Is being in debt to China a bad thing? Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #245
lol eShirl Jul 2013 #249
See post 281. nt MADem Jul 2013 #303
good point. think how bad it would be to live in a country so indebted to China. piratefish08 Jul 2013 #250
We have options, they don't. China will not cut off their nose to spite their own face. MADem Jul 2013 #281
Saudi Arabia can no longer depend on oil revenue to handle the growing population railsback Jul 2013 #132
Not so much, now--we've diversified. All that fracking. But we do REFINE their oil. MADem Jul 2013 #198
China is more than happy to buy oil from them. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #8
That oil has to make it out of the Caribbean first. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #13
nobody is going to put sanctions on venezuela over snowden arely staircase Jul 2013 #34
Sanctions = US not buying any more Venezuelan oil Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #83
i don't think either are likely; him making it there or us not buying any more of their oil if he arely staircase Jul 2013 #94
An act of war on the high seas??? Gman Jul 2013 #67
"and live away from the imperial North American persecution" Maduro warrant46 Jul 2013 #252
That would be a blockade which would be tantamount to a war. Do you really think that totodeinhere Jul 2013 #92
I don't think the US will do anything remotely close to such an idea Scootaloo Jul 2013 #219
Can't live on oil alone. railsback Jul 2013 #21
Oil isn't the only resource Venezuela has. It's just one of them. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #27
Venezuela focused on oil exports railsback Jul 2013 #35
Actually they have a successful stock exchange too. Cleita Jul 2013 #48
Trade sanctions and no Pacific Alliance just spells doom railsback Jul 2013 #56
Populism and snowden will not save him flamingdem Jul 2013 #201
Snowden would be a virus railsback Jul 2013 #204
Maybe he just wants to speak with flamingdem Jul 2013 #207
Yeah, maybe Snowden is actually improving U.S. relations with Latin America railsback Jul 2013 #213
You mean like Cuba? Oh that's right Cuba is still around isn't it? N.I.B. Jul 2013 #243
The refineries for that highly viscous oil are on the US Gulf Coast Kolesar Jul 2013 #60
Why you think they are going to refuse to refine it? Cleita Jul 2013 #73
The refineries are owned by oil companies, not by the Venezuelan government Kolesar Jul 2013 #81
We'll see. I doubt if they don't have some back up plans and deals. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Gman Jul 2013 #106
I thought that is what I was saying. They aren't going to throw away profits. Cleita Jul 2013 #113
You did Gman Jul 2013 #123
So China is just buying Venezuelan oil for the heck of it? cali Jul 2013 #103
They own 7/11's, don't they? kentuck Jul 2013 #14
Used to own Citgo. Not sure if they still do. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #26
yes, they do arely staircase Jul 2013 #37
Sort of. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #164
makes sense arely staircase Jul 2013 #165
Totally irrelevant. Remember it was the US that wanted a global economy Gman Jul 2013 #18
So because Venezuela wanted a global economy... randome Jul 2013 #22
I think you may have misread by post Gman Jul 2013 #46
Rule #1 at the DU3, Obama is responsible for everything!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #53
Sorry. Nothing is Obama's fault. tblue Jul 2013 #191
If it was totally irrelevant railsback Jul 2013 #24
Are you saying Maduro was selling oil? Gman Jul 2013 #44
What's hilarious is thinking a country can rely solely on oil revenues railsback Jul 2013 #65
No, it's not funny at all Gman Jul 2013 #137
Read up on Saudi Arabia railsback Jul 2013 #148
Fine. Let us stop buying oil form them and see the price of gas at the pump shoot up. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #64
Yeah, that's pretty simplistic railsback Jul 2013 #72
Not really. Take away one of our major oil suppliers and see what happens. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #118
We have plenty of other resources for oil railsback Jul 2013 #147
They are not a big part of our oil picture at all, and their contribution gets smaller every year. MADem Jul 2013 #282
We get about 5.9% of our oil from them. That might not sound like much but the way oil markets totodeinhere Jul 2013 #306
We'd get more from Canada if we had the transshipment capability and refining capacity. MADem Jul 2013 #308
You also assume that the oil companies given a choice between Gman Jul 2013 #86
They'll have NO choice with sanctions. See: Iran. railsback Jul 2013 #149
Good luck with that Gman Jul 2013 #162
okay i see Iran. What do u want me to see rpannier Jul 2013 #193
Sanctions cut Iran's oil exports in half. Iraq now exports more. railsback Jul 2013 #203
He'll never make it there. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #9
He can go by boat. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #11
From Moscow? I think you need to find a different map-reading instructor. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #32
Russia has ports. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #38
To reach them, he'd have to leave the transit lounge and formally enter Russia. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #41
I am sorry but I am ignorant on international law on this case. Has he not already entered Russia? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43
My understanding is that the transit lounge is a legalistic limbo and that he's "not" winter is coming Jul 2013 #50
I am sure they can figure something out thast does not require them to go over US airspace. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #54
In airports there are points where international travelers Gman Jul 2013 #57
Thanks! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #59
Once you clear customs you have formally entered the country, or not Gman Jul 2013 #63
So he is sleeping in the airport then. I should have been paying more attention. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #71
That's what thought for a while until Gman Jul 2013 #77
Russia has already said that if he is transported in an embassy vehicle that vehicle would totodeinhere Jul 2013 #105
Ah. I'd missed that detail. Thanks. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #108
do you have a link for this? allin99 Jul 2013 #241
Here. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #260
Thanks. allin99 Jul 2013 #263
It would really piss you off if he makes it there, wouldn't it quinnox Jul 2013 #28
oh, I wouldn't bet on that, apologist dear. cali Jul 2013 #95
I think he will unless Obama scrambles jets. morningfog Jul 2013 #122
I don't know if what he did was right or wrong but Gman Jul 2013 #12
K&R !!! idwiyo Jul 2013 #15
The plot thickens... quinnox Jul 2013 #16
Getting pert near uppity, ain't they? dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #47
exactly, those ungrateful SOBs quinnox Jul 2013 #61
Oh My! mitchtv Jul 2013 #190
I think I was channeling Paula Deen there, for a minute. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #210
Now I am confused. Is the oil Venezuela has truedelphi Jul 2013 #237
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #19
Why didn't he take Snowden out of Russia when he was there? ProSense Jul 2013 #30
He had to return home and consult with other members of his government first. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #111
We hadn't pissed off all of Latin America at that point. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #126
The White House hadn't forced down the plane of a head of state at that time MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #139
That ProSense Jul 2013 #155
I wonder if a certain Zorra Jul 2013 #31
We were going to meet and hang out at the beaches remember? Catherina Jul 2013 #100
Oh...I'm ready! Zorra Jul 2013 #192
Yes lol! Catherina Jul 2013 #195
Muy cierto, hermana! Zorra Jul 2013 #284
Just let me know when Catherina Jul 2013 #294
K&R magellan Jul 2013 #33
true, but then you would have the "I hate Snowden!" crowd lobbying to engage the Russian plane quinnox Jul 2013 #45
There's direct flights from Moscow to Havana. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #79
good point quinnox Jul 2013 #85
airspace issues? Or did the Morales fiasco smooth all that out? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #101
Should be clear airspace... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #127
HooptieWagon, I want to know everything lol! When he gets there, if he's there already etc n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #131
LOL, we'll probably learn the news from you! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #145
UUEE to SVMI is 6162 NM great circle pangaia Jul 2013 #268
Aeroflot flies 5 weekly non-stop flights Moscow to Havana. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #283
I just saw your post. Yes indeed they could. This is awesome n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #154
Mucho awesome! magellan Jul 2013 #168
k and r..i hope he is not in moscow and somehow already in south america xiamiam Jul 2013 #39
Their best bet might be to smuggle him on a cargo ship Warpy Jul 2013 #42
Venezuela gets to host the little snot and gets nothing for it Kolesar Jul 2013 #52
Latin America can survive without the US and its brand of help. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #66
Yep. Since Obama gave SA the middle finger... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #96
The wound was opened when the U.S. told other countries ... allin99 Jul 2013 #82
"See, you know how to take the reservation, but you don't know how to HOLD the reservation..." alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #62
Ok, that brought a belly-laugh. I miss that show. silvershadow Jul 2013 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jul 2013 #68
good. now here's hoping he gets there safely because cali Jul 2013 #70
If they're clever, he's already somewhere in South America. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #98
KICK ASS! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #74
i think its more than just setting an example xiamiam Jul 2013 #89
President of Venezuela yesterday: "Whoever picks a fight with Bolivia, picks a fight with Venezuela" allin99 Jul 2013 #75
Nice! Thanks for sharing that magellan Jul 2013 #160
Bravo! Maybe Venezuela can give him citizenship and a passport like they attempted in Iceland. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #87
I don't think a valid passport will stop the U.S. from trying to nab him en route. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #93
i don't see how they can do that without scrambling jets... allin99 Jul 2013 #107
I don't know. The sledehammer style has landed them in Der Shitstorm as the Germans call it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #109
And there are probably some advisors claiming that the shitstorm couldn't get any worse, winter is coming Jul 2013 #115
Probably the same ones who advised him that it wouldn't occur at all. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #125
I think they will try to intercept him...there are probabely a few CIA agents staying in HipChick Jul 2013 #110
I would think so. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #130
I'm sure the Russians know exactly whos in transit zone... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #133
Are they wearing blond wigs? Will Putin release them after they're arrested? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #144
President Obama already said that they would not try to do that. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #114
Awesome! K&R! LittleBlue Jul 2013 #99
anyone who thought spy thrillers were passe is wrong carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #102
I hope the cowardly, treacherous, racist Snowden is arrested and tried rury Jul 2013 #117
Just when you thought surveillance state lovers couldn't sink any lower. PLONK n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #120
wow, I feel the opposite, and consider him a modern day Paul Revere quinnox Jul 2013 #124
Karma may eventually catch up CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #134
and President Obama has been pushing the chained CPI. So karma going to catch up cali Jul 2013 #146
You seem very, very invested in protecting Snowden from ANY criticism CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #169
you honestly believe that this whole thing is simply a plot to make obama look bad? frylock Jul 2013 #229
It seems to be the new narrative. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #246
I'm with Catherina. *PLONK* backscatter712 Jul 2013 #136
LOL, I love the Star Trek clip there quinnox Jul 2013 #143
lol, now I get the *plonk* reference! magellan Jul 2013 #223
It was originally USENET slang. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #224
Ah. Even more apt. Thanks! n/t magellan Jul 2013 #225
..... cali Jul 2013 #138
Shall we talk prism? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #158
I think the goal for some around here is to supress ANY discussion of PRISM, NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #317
Rery, rury? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #218
A DUzy! kentuck Jul 2013 #220
... sibelian Jul 2013 #255
This is good news MNBrewer Jul 2013 #121
So authoritarian apologists... 99Forever Jul 2013 #129
I'll take "Blowback" for a thousand, Alex! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #142
Just updated the OP with the video (Spanish) n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #135
I hope he makes it. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #140
Good Recursion Jul 2013 #141
Venezuela and Nicaragua nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #151
When he makes it, hes still not in the clear though. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #157
That goes without saying nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #159
I was mistaken for CIA when I was in Venezuela. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #172
Excellent news! woo me with science Jul 2013 #152
Bwah-ha-HAH!1 Let it BE!1 Let it HAPPEN!1 Let it whatEVER!1 UTUSN Jul 2013 #156
Welcome to your LIbertarian Retraining Camp in Caracas Eddie flamingdem Jul 2013 #175
I love that Venezuela is the one stepping up on this ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #161
Me too. Shows what a joke this is Snowden despises big government flamingdem Jul 2013 #178
Where do you look to find out what Venezuela is REALLY like? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #239
No, I look at my experience in Cuba, there are many similarities and I experienced flamingdem Jul 2013 #244
No, I have never been to Venezuela 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #279
I was there about 20 yrs ago, before Chavez. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #286
Cuba: traditional 1960's vintage communist state. Venezuela: democratic socialists republic. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #290
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #163
How undignified nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #170
Breaking: White House: no comment on Venezuela's asylum offer Catherina Jul 2013 #173
So much for the "I welcome this conversation" crap. Little Star Jul 2013 #261
the silence is deafening..and shocking actually xiamiam Jul 2013 #285
Good! 20score Jul 2013 #176
lol! Works for me!! See ya, Eddie Number23 Jul 2013 #179
Hasta la vista snowball flamingdem Jul 2013 #182
Good. 840high Jul 2013 #180
Venezuela is a stunningly beautiful country, bvar22 Jul 2013 #181
Yes indeed he is! I love that country Catherina Jul 2013 #184
never been sad to say mitchtv Jul 2013 #206
I haven't visited that region yet Catherina Jul 2013 #227
kind of hung around mitchtv Jul 2013 #273
You were there during exciting times! Catherina Jul 2013 #287
Buenos Aires of course, mitchtv Jul 2013 #288
I'm having flashbacks of the Motorcycle Diaries lol Catherina Jul 2013 #299
The ignorant fantasies from the bigoted, close minded, conservative DUers above... bvar22 Jul 2013 #274
snowden rso Jul 2013 #185
I'm with you hardcover Jul 2013 #240
You both look exactly alike. How perfect is that? Kurovski Jul 2013 #242
Venezuela and Cuba 2 peas in a pod. Minit in cuba taps calls. You want authoritarian? flamingdem Jul 2013 #187
Wait...I THOUGHT THIS WASN'T ABOUT SNOWDEN. Galraedia Jul 2013 #189
I don't think this thread is really about Snowden himself. djean111 Jul 2013 #196
Looks CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #197
Snowden's become a symbol. Embrace it. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #208
"All the bashers can suck my dick!" Is that what passes for discussion on DU now? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #314
Is it about Snowden, the NSA, or the Constitution? kentuck Jul 2013 #215
Well, we TRIED, honey, really, truly, we really, truly did try... but... sibelian Jul 2013 #247
This is about South American nations standing up to the US, imo. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #295
There are times I love what my Goverment does, then they are times I love when other countries Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #209
If true, I guess we'll see how bad the US is. stevenleser Jul 2013 #212
Why the celebration? dbackjon Jul 2013 #214
Still wont faze Snowden's cult following as he hops from one authoritarian country to the next... Galraedia Jul 2013 #234
They could be cheering for the NSA... kentuck Jul 2013 #235
Will Venezuela follow through on Snowden offer? ProSense Jul 2013 #216
Is that fireworks? Rain Mcloud Jul 2013 #217
heads exploding lol n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #228
I was visiting with family and came back and lo and behold! suffragette Jul 2013 #233
Here's to hoping Edward Snowden will soon be able to see his girlfriend! Catherina Jul 2013 #269
I'm hoping the minimum wage gets raised and arbortion rights are protected. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #315
Great thread, Catherina. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #248
good rtracey Jul 2013 #253
I feel the same way. If youre gonna blow the whistle, do it on your own turf 7962 Jul 2013 #319
Awesome news! celticnachos Jul 2013 #264
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #266
That ought to be interesting gopiscrap Jul 2013 #276
No more Hong Kong Eddie, he's moving Progressive dog Jul 2013 #278
K&R! Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #297
K&R will read later.. midnight Jul 2013 #298
awesome news. love it. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #300
Just updated the OP with a link to the immedate extradition request and the extradition treaty Catherina Jul 2013 #302
K/R~~~ LovingA2andMI Jul 2013 #305
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