Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff (Reply #12)

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12. Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff

and bring the jobs back home.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]	Tesha	Feb 2012	OP
Hmm not what I was expecting to read.	dkf	Feb 2012	#1
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#5
Definitely food for thought.	dkf	Feb 2012	#8
The related post is the Scheer article which was discussed elsewhere this morning...	Pholus	Feb 2012	#9
Americans should feel guilty buying anything from China.	Zalatix	Feb 2012	#84
Leavenworth is better than Alcatraz??	CAPHAVOC	Feb 2012	#2
and we should believe them because???	mucifer	Feb 2012	#3
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#4
Mike Daisey has been to the Foxconn factory	FredisDead	Feb 2012	#10
Has he been to the garment factories?	Javaman	Feb 2012	#18
Apples to wrenches? nt	Snake Alchemist	Feb 2012	#6
Man, the whiplash in the required party line is pretty bad...	Pholus	Feb 2012	#7
Wow, thank you for that fascinating report, everyone should check this out.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#55
Kind of reminds me of how gays are treated	FreeState	Feb 2012	#67
way, way above average of the norm	GeorgeGist	Feb 2012	#11
Great point "the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm."	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#13
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#15
As long as the Chinese workers are all happy I guess. Again, I point to Scheer.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#16
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#19
Yet, some of them would still rather commit suicide than stay or go back.	Incitatus	Feb 2012	#22
if higher ed had the same suicide rate as foxconn	belcffub	Feb 2012	#35
Lies, damn lies and statistics.	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#43
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#45
47 suicides over 36 years..	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#69
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#70
There were 300,000 workers at the Foxconn factory in question.	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#72
ding ding ding	belcffub	Feb 2012	#74
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#76
is the 400% internationalized	belcffub	Feb 2012	#75
How about 'all of the above' has a problem.	Zalatix	Feb 2012	#85
Apparently	quakerboy	Feb 2012	#53
The preventative measures were to the library and local bridge..	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#71
That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#82
Fascinating. North Korea also has a similar law, if you kill yourself, your entire family suffers.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#88
I guess there is more than one way to look at your data point.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#24
That's exactly why we need steep tariffs on the Chinese goods,	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#39
Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#34
All the more reason to bring them back!	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#38
Way, way? Is that some professional lingo? Is 'way, way' twice 'way' or 10x 'way'?	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#14
It's a professional term: Way, way is "way to the way'th power" In other words EXPONENTIALLY. nt	Pholus	Feb 2012	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#26
Let me repeat my previous post using smaller posts.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#27
BTW, I'll see your request and ask for a copy of your CV as well.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#29
Ah yes, it is the fault of the "Murcan" so the onus is on him.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#41
Your points are logical, and well reasoned, I do not expect a coherent response.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#57
Thanks. You know I tend not to be reasonable myself though, right? ;)	Pholus	Feb 2012	#61
I'm glad you pointed out the required technical conditions, I probably would've overlooked that.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#64
I'm simply amazed how things like this can ever be justified. Or that people even try...	Pholus	Feb 2012	#87
Your information and rational, cogent arguments	jsmirman	Feb 2012	#108
Bullshit: there's an app for that nt	Dreamer Tatum	Feb 2012	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#30
Most workers get 3 beatings a day, ours only get 2. We're 33% nicer.	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#21
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#32
Forgive if I implied the workers are in any way at fault for anything	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#36
No, but we would have the monetary leverage to save our own people.	Zalatix	Feb 2012	#86
See, we don't beat our slaves.	marmar	Feb 2012	#23
"the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm"	TBF	Feb 2012	#49
Sounds to me like "Hey, there might be a surprise inspection on Tuesday at 6:30 a.m." n/t	Earth_First	Feb 2012	#25
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#31
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So conditions aren't as bad as they are at places with worse conditions?	Iggo	Feb 2012	#33
I recall some left wing agitator saying one that	raouldukelives	Feb 2012	#37
The board of the "Fair Labor Association" is full of corporate CEOs. What a joke!	Romulox	Feb 2012	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#46
It's a significant amount, to be sure. I consider it dishonest not to disclose this fact	Romulox	Feb 2012	#47
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#50
You quoted a trade group as if it were a NGO or similar. nt	Romulox	Feb 2012	#51
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#54
"The Fair Labor Association" (sic) is an INDUSTRY GROUP. NOT an NGO!	Romulox	Feb 2012	#56
This is a joke, right?	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#44
IMHO, some of this raises questions about using DU for commercial promotion. nt	Romulox	Feb 2012	#48
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#52
So anyone who uses an electronic device has no business being concerned about the working conditions	Incitatus	Feb 2012	#58
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#66
When you're an image-centered brand, "everybody else does it" does NOT cut it.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#62
Bwahahahaha...CHECKMATE! I actually PASS your purity test as you stated it.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#81
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#89
Yes. I imagine you thought this comeback was a real winner. THEN YOU RAN ACROSS ME...	Pholus	Feb 2012	#90
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#93
Your argument is one of moral equivalence between Apple Corporation	Romulox	Feb 2012	#97
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#102
"Would you would you in a box...would you would you with a fox."	Pholus	Feb 2012	#98
Someone's getting seriously worked over here, and it ain't Pholus	jsmirman	Feb 2012	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#120
I thought you said I wasn't worth debating with. I'll counter that Walmart sells loads too.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#121
Incidentally, that does prove you ran out of arguments when you resorted to "neener neener" talk.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#122
Only a very small number. I'm glad we are on the same side on this issue.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#59
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#63
Oh yes, I know, and I enjoy our little back and forths.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#65
Don't bring facts to the anti-Apple crowd.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#68
A ridiculous comparison.	girl gone mad	Feb 2012	#73
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#77
No it would not.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#91
I appreciate the tactics which were brought to bear to make this happen. Very classy. See #82.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#83
Actually all companies in the U.S. that have life insurance do this.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#92
In the U.S. foxconn would be sunk under wrongful death lawsuits.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#100
Many companies use Foxconn	former9thward	Feb 2012	#106
Okay. Let's put this "everybody does it" thing to bed here. It's simply morally repugnant.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#110
The Chinese people disagree with you.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#111
Oh yes. People fight hard when desperate. Fundamental tenet of the "cheap labor" movement.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#112
Of course they would go to robots if they could.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#113
Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy."	Pholus	Feb 2012	#114
Well my insane leap of logic was already in my previous post	former9thward	Feb 2012	#115
You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better?	Pholus	Feb 2012	#116
"the norm" = A poke in the eye with a sharp stick. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2012	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#79
Not enough? Too many? Who counts? Just call me an Apple hater; I like it.	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2012	#80
From "better than the norm!" to "EVERYBODY'S doin' it!" in a few short equivocations.	Romulox	Feb 2012	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#95
I reject your premise; namely that owning Chinese made products makes	Romulox	Feb 2012	#96
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#99
The Fair Labor Association is a phony, industry-funded "watchdog"	brentspeak	Feb 2012	#103
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#105
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#107
Sorry, your OP was corporate PR spin. It got shredded.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#117
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Feb 2012	#118
We stopped debating when you ran out of new things to say.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#119
Agreed. I've shown above just how absurd the moral equivalism will get.	Pholus	Feb 2012	#101
Why did Anti-Apartheid protestors pick on Barclays	sudopod	Feb 2012	#104

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