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Wow, you set your sights very low. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #1
It's an eye catching, kick the hornet's nest headline. Need to read the content to actually get it. gtar100 Jul 2013 #18
I don't think we know yet whether we have to separate the person from the disclosed info. merrily Jul 2013 #21
It seems Cryptoad Jul 2013 #45
We disagree. Besides, I don't think this surveillance is merrily Jul 2013 #50
With a warrant NSA can collect the data and store it in a searchable data base and therefore search Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #52
Warrants under the Constitution and FISA laws are for specific data that a judges agrees warrants a rhett o rick Jul 2013 #71
If the goverment Cryptoad Jul 2013 #77
There are a couple of fallacies in your reasoning. You assume those that are collecting the data rhett o rick Jul 2013 #79
If we,,, Cryptoad Jul 2013 #87
Wow, 'dooooooomed'. You need such hypberole to sell that trash. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #93
And tell us exactly Cryptoad Jul 2013 #102
If we need to depend on faith we are doomed. Faith is for those that have no reasoning capacity. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #99
Preservation of Data Cryptoad Jul 2013 #103
Not calling it "surveillance" does not make it right. They are gathering data on us. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #106
Yet you still Cryptoad Jul 2013 #116
Storing massive data on Americans violates the Constitution and the FISA Law. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #117
YOur logic Cryptoad Jul 2013 #118
"If the FISA warrants are Constitutional , then I am standing on the side of our constitution." rhett o rick Jul 2013 #120
There are many laws that I believe to be unjust but Cryptoad Jul 2013 #123
What is this? "These types of arguments are taking the same form as the Tea Party uses."?? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #125
Many of your arguments Cryptoad Jul 2013 #129
This is the problem Th1onein Jul 2013 #83
I am afraid Cryptoad Jul 2013 #88
The "Data Age" is no excuse. Th1onein Jul 2013 #89
If The Government... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #98
"Scooping" up data Cryptoad Jul 2013 #105
So you'd be okay if law enforcement made a copy of every letter you ever sent.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #113
My understanding is Cryptoad Jul 2013 #115
I'm sorry, but you're not making much sense.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #121
The Constitutionally of Cryptoad Jul 2013 #124
Want to reply in a complete sentence, perhaps? Th1onein Jul 2013 #130
Grammer Police? Cryptoad Jul 2013 #131
@Merrily: "I simply suggest that we wait before making up our minds, one way or the other. " Maedhros Jul 2013 #55
It is unreasonable and rude of any one person to tell others what to do with their Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #92
Suggesting something is 'emotional imperialism'? Is that a joke? Demit Jul 2013 #111
Since Bush spoke of this in 2005 what has Snowden exposed except the "cause" he thought he which Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #49
Did you know the NSA spied on Obama in 2004? Do you care? think Jul 2013 #51
Did the NSA obtain a warrant to do the wiretapping or was this during the period of time in which Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #57
I don't know. Does it matter as to the facts that the NSA indeed spied on think Jul 2013 #58
You may or may not agree with the Fourth Amendment but after all these years I think it is Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #64
wiretapping doesnt bother because you have nothing hide. so that makes it ok to spy on Obama? think Jul 2013 #66
Yes but it's interesting how much interest the OA has taken in this matter. gtar100 Jul 2013 #61
I think domestic surveillance felix_numinous Jul 2013 #59
K&R. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #2
Good words of warning, that some here would rather we not heed. RC Jul 2013 #3
K&R Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #4
What exactly did he tell you that you didn't know back in 2006? HipChick Jul 2013 #5
That all my phone calls and emails are likely MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #10
They photograph our mail, too. Demeter Jul 2013 #14
Agreed 100% MattSh Jul 2013 #25
What a great reminder. truedelphi Jul 2013 #41
You beat me to it... Just read the local paper's carrying that piece yesterday... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #95
"Or is everybody asleep?" ljm2002 Jul 2013 #11
We have learned that the Domestic Spying on Americans bvar22 Jul 2013 #28
+ MY household. (And Happy 4th to you bvar.) truedelphi Jul 2013 #43
Nope sorry it was well reported years ago Egnever Jul 2013 #86
I have learned that Obama officials are willing to lie to the face of my US Senator Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #94
I didn't know the NSA wiretapped Obama, the Supreme court justices, journalists think Jul 2013 #29
LOL, if nothing is new that everyone already knew then why is he in trouble???? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #108
Now that I agree with quinnox Jul 2013 #6
Manny this is not Thanksgiving flamingdem Jul 2013 #7
If you're only thankful one day per year, you may have an empathy deficit. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #12
+a brazillion! Demeter Jul 2013 #16
Well put BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #19
Thanks to both of you. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #20
Gratitude is out of place on July 4? Ya wanna think about that for a minute? merrily Jul 2013 #23
You can still take down that embarrassing post. bvar22 Jul 2013 #33
Obamas thank troops during White House barbecue morningfog Jul 2013 #81
Thankfully usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #8
Kicked and recommended pscot Jul 2013 #9
K&R nt Zorra Jul 2013 #13
I'm celebrating ProSense Jul 2013 #15
+ 1 And under President Obama, not President Paul (as Snowden and his Brazilian Master would BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #32
Here is a quote from you. As context for your emoticons and adjectives... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #96
Thank you. n/t QC Jul 2013 #100
Well this will piss off the detractors ...and that's a good thing. L0oniX Jul 2013 #17
K&R! The shit-flingers can kiss my ass! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #22
Happy birthday. merrily Jul 2013 #24
it's independence day, not thanksgiving BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #26
Although I miss 3rd Way Manny think Jul 2013 #27
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #30
He is the Emile Zola of the 21st Century. J'Accuse Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #31
fwiw - Zola wrote J'Accuse RainDog Jul 2013 #46
Thanks, RainDog. I've been rereading Les Miserables and had Hugo on my mind. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #47
They're both great writers RainDog Jul 2013 #48
Happy FREEDOM Day, Manny. bvar22 Jul 2013 #34
OMG, really? Hydra Jul 2013 #35
Hear, hear! +1 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #37
We do not need to call Snowden devil or angel DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #38
"How Unreasonable Searches of Private Documents Caused the American Revolution" deurbano Jul 2013 #39
Good post. Thanks. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #42
K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #40
K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #44
Well said, Manny. Particularly enjoy the LibDemAlways Jul 2013 #53
I agree with you. Snowden performed a service for us even if that Cleita Jul 2013 #54
The original patriots sometimes tarred and feathered loyalists Progressive dog Jul 2013 #56
How do you feel about Daniel Ellsberg? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #60
Daniel Ellsbereg is neither patriot nor scoundrel. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #63
It's a good read Go Vols Jul 2013 #69
$2 biilion to surveille everything seems like quite a bargain to me Progressive dog Jul 2013 #70
You read the entire article? Go Vols Jul 2013 #72
Yup, I read where they are tapping everything at Utah, with no way Progressive dog Jul 2013 #73
Its part of the same article Go Vols Jul 2013 #74
Do you know what was in Benedict Arnold's letter George Washington read? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #97
The letter was not from Arnold, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #112
Happy Independence Day neighbours! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #62
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #65
Hear, hear! nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #67
As am I. K&R. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #68
I too am glad we now know what we know. Whatever his intentions, the results are the same. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #75
Happy 237th birthday of our Revolution! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #76
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #78
Did You Catch This ??? WillyT Jul 2013 #80
Thanks for the link. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #85
lol damn you're gonna get the usual suspects braying at the moon now! boilerbabe Jul 2013 #82
You might like this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #84
Hero for sure... ngjtk Jul 2013 #90
Exactly right fasttense Jul 2013 #91
Who do you think is ultimately responsible for these allegedly Treasonous acts? n/t Ian David Jul 2013 #114
Metadata does not belong to you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #101
Take two aspirin and go to bed. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #104
It does not belong to the NSA either. But they are taking it anyway! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #109
Here is a cartoon that n2doc posted: kentuck Jul 2013 #107
Hero or scoundrel, it doesn't matter to me. Autumn Jul 2013 #110
Wonderfully stated. Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #119
K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #122
Me too and all Whistle Blowers who risk everything to warn the people against sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #126
And i know he didn't risk his life for what i'm about to mention, but seeing... allin99 Jul 2013 #127
Agreed on all counts. nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #128
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