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stevenleser

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41. You have it reversed. The outrage on the outside is for show. German Intelligence, the BND is every
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jul 2013

bit as aggressive as the NSA and CIA.

There is a German document in Wikileaks that details a 2006 collaboration between the BND and Germany's media to identify media sources and provide coverage. Germany is planning to invest $130 million over the next 5 years in its own online Surveillance program.

When not doing press conferences, privately, the governments in Europe are non-plussed.

Edited to add: http://www.dw.de/germany-also-profits-from-us-british-spying/a-16916837

Germany also profits from US, British spying

Public outcry has emerged over British and American monitoring of global communications. But the German government has so far been reserved in its criticism, partly because the country receives data from such monitoring.

"The topic of commensurability is important" in any imperative to gather information - that was the extent of German Chancellor Angela Merkel's criticism with regard to the Prism spying program during US President Barack Obama's visit to Berlin last week.

Merkel has reason to limit her criticism on the topic. Although the fact that large parts of Internet communication are being monitored was known necessarily known to the general public, the chancellor was unlikely to have been surprised.

German spies have also been sniffing around online - and on a large scale, not just in cases of concrete suspicion. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) is legally allowed to rifle through up to 20 percent of the communication between Germany and other countries, and monitor certain Internet search terms.
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!1#!! nt babylonsister Jul 2013 #1
It kind of is... dkf Jul 2013 #2
I love it when people that advocate the right wing of the Democrats DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #58
Nope. I'm to the left of center in terms of authoritarianism. dkf Jul 2013 #62
OH, so you have no problem with social spending DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #64
Safety nets are necessary. You cannot have people starving in the streets in a civil dkf Jul 2013 #67
Agree. However I really have no problems staying home and holding my vote. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #194
You are not alone in that thinking. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #204
Exactly. I think a real lunatic in office Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #213
oh wow, this is good oldandhappy Jul 2013 #220
Well.............. BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #216
Maybe we didnt allow enough in. Let them turn the govt into a smoking crater Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #218
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Jul 2013 #235
Everywhere in the world where boycotting elections cheapdate Jul 2013 #231
+1 pam4water Jul 2013 #69
ridiculous kardonb Jul 2013 #78
Ridiculous we are ready to antagonize other countries for a mistake. dkf Jul 2013 #82
Exactly dkf it kind of is... fasttense Jul 2013 #166
Propaganda is that branch of lying which often deceives your friends ... panzerfaust Jul 2013 #174
"Obama seems to talk like a liberal but acts like Cheney." bvar22 Jul 2013 #236
+1 COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #4
Again? Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #6
There's plenty more skies where those came from. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #17
ROFL! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #190
I guess you sky is okay then? But for the millions on whom the sky has already fallen sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #196
You know NOTHING Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #219
And you know nothing about mine, or anyone else's here. The sky HAS fallen on millions of people sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #232
That's right, I don't know anything about anyone here Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #233
My comment was about exactly what you just posted, all the people upon whom the sky HAS sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #243
Well Said, sabrina 1. bvar22 Jul 2013 #239
Same to you, Bvar! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #242
Happy Fourth of July, Babylonsister! Number23 Jul 2013 #23
Hey! babylonsister Jul 2013 #28
He is bought off like MOST of the Democrats and ALL Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #31
That's the sad truth BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #217
It is. Do you read German? I do. It's pretty bad. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32
You have it reversed. The outrage on the outside is for show. German Intelligence, the BND is every stevenleser Jul 2013 #41
Gee, is this in line with the considerable "plus up" that French Intelligence also got MADem Jul 2013 #81
If you indeed have quoted the money figures correctly, truedelphi Jul 2013 #83
^^^This^^^ malokvale77 Jul 2013 #96
Yup. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #193
The German people are very upset. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #144
Why give much credence to a bunch of hypocrites? Amonester Jul 2013 #115
Whether or not *you* give them credence isn't the issue. sibelian Jul 2013 #141
"Ignorants of their own government's spying programs--" Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #179
It's a possibility, but I'm sure you *knew* about the warrantless wiretappings, Jack. Amonester Jul 2013 #191
It's not the illegalwiretapping, etc., it's th magnitude of scale involved Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #212
And we elected Democrats to begin the job of ending those Bush policies. What we did sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #245
I agree that it's very disapointing for everyone who thought voting for the Democratic candidate Amonester Jul 2013 #248
No, I agree with everything you said. Of course it would have been worse with Romney, but only sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #249
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It appears Obama should jump at very conspiracy Sheepshank Jul 2013 #85
I'd be happy Android3.14 Jul 2013 #167
Very Nice Deconstruction of the Strawman! bvar22 Jul 2013 #241
Do people who write shit like this... SidDithers Jul 2013 #91
There's every possibility... Hekate Jul 2013 #139
No, the Republicans have everything under control. Clapper, Mueller, Bernanke, will take very rhett o rick Jul 2013 #95
That list makes me sad. Ash_F Jul 2013 #164
Or that Those In Charge are bigger than the President. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #182
Wrong, it HAS fallen for millions of people all over the world. But don't let that bother you if sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #195
I dont think you can penetrate the denial bubble. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #208
The Conservative Bubble: bvar22 Jul 2013 #240
Please dont tell me I cant trust my government. Please dont tell me I have to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #247
Exquisite alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #3
Excellent Post Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #157
Yeah...sorry...UNREC. "Chickens coming home to roost?" Really? You're gonna play Malcolm here? nt MADem Jul 2013 #5
Do you read or understand German? Have you ever lived in Germany or Austria? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #34
I've lived in Iran--I know all about "shitstorms." nt MADem Jul 2013 #40
Yes, because diplomatic ties with Iran are so crucial n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #71
Actually, they are. Why do you think the newly-elected president is being allowed to say the MADem Jul 2013 #79
See my #41 above nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #42
That you dont see the irony of dismissing legit concerns with Germany is good with spying on everyon usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #161
LOL. As usual, you missed it entirely. The OP has to do with international relations. We dont have stevenleser Jul 2013 #185
I think I made myself pretty clear, as you did as well usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #186
K&R Cleita Jul 2013 #7
Yep... So Much For "No Drama" Obama... WillyT Jul 2013 #8
I step away from my desk for one lousy hour... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #9
DUZY! babylonsister Jul 2013 #13
LOLOL! Th1onein Jul 2013 #94
He's going to lose the election. ProSense Jul 2013 #10
As he left the Vienna airport, Schwechat, Evo Morales warned Europeans that the JDPriestly Jul 2013 #37
Morales, like Maduro and a shitload of others, was there for a meeting. MADem Jul 2013 #44
Precisely. bvar22 Jul 2013 #45
We'll see ProSense Jul 2013 #60
He is who he has shown himself to be n2doc Jul 2013 #11
That's one possibility, here's another. Insufficient evidence to reach definitive conclusions, IMO. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #155
Just for you... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #12
Thanks!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #30
little brother looks like he got a dirty face. Whisp Jul 2013 #119
Zing! BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #158
He got mud on his face, the big disgrace Whisp Jul 2013 #162
Just wait until ProSense hears about this. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #88
Wellstone- ruffburr Jul 2013 #14
I do think we have to be very careful... kentuck Jul 2013 #15
We don't seem to be helping our standing with Europe either. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #25
Or China. dkf Jul 2013 #27
Yep! bvar22 Jul 2013 #52
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+ 4 Octafish Jul 2013 #104
+5 populistdriven Jul 2013 #109
+6 dflprincess Jul 2013 #123
+7 countmyvote4real Jul 2013 #128
+8 LittleBlue Jul 2013 #133
Sad, disgusting, enraging, but true. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #136
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+9 sibelian Jul 2013 #142
+10 tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #145
+11 RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #146
+12 woo me with science Jul 2013 #152
+13 (I hear thirteen is a very good number) mrdmk Jul 2013 #160
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+15 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #192
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-20 mimi85 Jul 2013 #246
I'm sure he'll give your advice RudynJack Jul 2013 #18
If he did, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with! Hydra Jul 2013 #21
Struck a nerve is absolutely right. Recall J. Edgar Hoover's legendary secret files? Divernan Jul 2013 #168
I haven't delved into that part of history particularly well Hydra Jul 2013 #184
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You really think the President of the US RudynJack Jul 2013 #147
Empty reply bobduca Jul 2013 #187
You're funny. RudynJack Jul 2013 #234
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Obama looks like a fool and impotent bully. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #19
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Say more, if you have the time, about what is being said in the German Press. truedelphi Jul 2013 #89
This didn't hurt Snowden's stature either. reusrename Jul 2013 #112
lol you've spent this whole thread bragging you can read German treestar Jul 2013 #173
Der Spiegel available online in English - here's the link Divernan Jul 2013 #189
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Same here. And the continual militarization of America's police truedelphi Jul 2013 #92
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PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #209
Yeah! BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #227
You're such a dreamer, Bvar22. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #33
Hi, Blue!!! One can have "hope". bvar22 Jul 2013 #43
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You may say he's a dreamer, but he's not the only one... scarletwoman Jul 2013 #46
Okay, I'm convinced. :) Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #55
Thanks! bvar22 Jul 2013 #59
Frodo has failed WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #49
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+1 heaven05 Jul 2013 #51
Ain't that his wife's job? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #53
WTF? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #57
Obama should ProSense Jul 2013 #56
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #61
If Wellstone were not murdered upi402 Jul 2013 #65
Sigh Recursion Jul 2013 #66
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss... Then I get on my knees and pray. We don't get fooled pam4water Jul 2013 #70
I hear yuh ... young people listen to some crap today .. our generation was so lucky. YOHABLO Jul 2013 #124
Americans are getting the right kind of "glasses" to see these bums for what they are! cascadiance Jul 2013 #72
Is it Twelfth Night already? ucrdem Jul 2013 #74
I seriously doubt that PRESIDENT Obama needs advice from the likes of you. George II Jul 2013 #75
If you keep up like this you son George the third will lose the colonies. :P pam4water Jul 2013 #102
Here in the US, we like to think that our grievances may receive redress DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #108
Another awoken account. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #129
WTF is that supposed to mean? George II Jul 2013 #222
As yes, the typical durablend Jul 2013 #180
me too stupidicus Jul 2013 #76
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K and R nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #80
Oh my~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #84
For America's Working Class, the Sky IS Falling. bvar22 Jul 2013 #202
Excellent post. Thanks for sharing. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #221
Too late, the damage is way beyond already done. Zorra Jul 2013 #86
So many non-scandals ---- Oh my! liberal N proud Jul 2013 #87
LMAO... SidDithers Jul 2013 #90
Happy Independence Day, Sid MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #122
LMFAOROTF L0oniX Jul 2013 #205
Grow up please. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #93
I'm just tired of reading all the angst! babylonsister Jul 2013 #101
I'll tell what we don't want. We don't want the TPP. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #211
It is too late. We will have nothing but scandal and reaction till he leaves office. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #98
I like this dream felix_numinous Jul 2013 #99
excellent post. obxhead Jul 2013 #100
The hyperbole around DU lately is too much for rational discourse to even be possible. Coyotl Jul 2013 #103
Centrism is adopted *first* sibelian Jul 2013 #120
the word tiny elvis Jul 2013 #135
+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #177
Dear America, it wasn't me, it was my administration. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #105
Looks like this is my cue Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #106
I haven't been here for awhile. It looks like underthematrix Jul 2013 #111
Let it ALL COME OUT...or "LET IT ALL HANG OUT!" KoKo Jul 2013 #113
Obama could start by firing the two perjurers Clapper (DNI) and Alexander (head of NSA). Just HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #116
clean your own damn house first Whisp Jul 2013 #117
Yes, as a civil servant how DARE we act like we employ him. Pholus Jul 2013 #127
He is our fucking employee. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #131
then he has got a Lot of crappy bosses! Whisp Jul 2013 #132
Sadly those are the ones he's listening to. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #134
Speak It, Tell It!! LovingA2andMI Jul 2013 #149
A-fucking-men. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #151
He's your employee but not ours? treestar Jul 2013 #175
He works for us. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #150
Oops, you let it slip. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #153
He IS our "hireling." 99Forever Jul 2013 #172
Civics courses treestar Jul 2013 #176
Oh MAN... I can NOT believe you just said that.... bvar22 Jul 2013 #226
wheee! feet to fire! patriot! bigtree Jul 2013 #118
Watch it. BHO might take it to mean firing the remaining token DEMS. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #125
Words fail MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #126
Fruit Loops, not just for breakfast anymore. ucrdem Jul 2013 #140
bvar HCE SuiGeneris Jul 2013 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Jul 2013 #154
Big Broom, BillyRibs Jul 2013 #156
Great advice. After witnessing the photo op of Obama and W zeeland Jul 2013 #163
Here's a funny picture with Obama and Merkel temmer Jul 2013 #165
Making things happen Babel_17 Jul 2013 #170
OK, I'll agree with this post. Yes, some of the seemingly endless Obama bashing AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #171
I too think he is one of the good guys, Doctor_J Jul 2013 #178
Snowballing debacle...international perfect storm...neo/con imperialists brooklynite Jul 2013 #181
with all due respect---a useless entreaty. tomp Jul 2013 #183
I understand what you're saying, but sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #188
I'd go with ProSense Jul 2013 #198
Where is Arne Duncan in that picture? duffyduff Jul 2013 #199
It would seem that a lot of what you wrote goes without saying but after reading some of the replies gtar100 Jul 2013 #201
Oh, baby! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #206
Will Pitt: 'To Be We the People Once Again' proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #210
Can't kick high enough! grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #223
You know you've hit a nerve, chervilant Jul 2013 #228
DU has become Egypt... kentuck Jul 2013 #229
also throw out Duncan and Holder! Great post bvar22. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #230
+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #244
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