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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
47. To defend the authoritarian governments of the world.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

Some here would insist that the pilot just suddenly decided to make a U turn in mid air, land at Vienna because he wanted some of the famed Vienna Sausages of lore and legend.

The really distressing thing here is not the plethora of excuses, but how thin the excuses appear to even the most basic of critical thought. Presidential Planes do not make unscheduled stops on a whim. Presidents are always on a schedule, a schedule set up weeks in advance in many cases. They don't make unscheduled diverts without some good reasons.

So what happened? Someone decided that Snowden was possibly on the plane. Portugal knowing they were between a rock and hard place bowed out. They said the plane could not land, because if it did they would be creating an international incident of epic proportions to search the plane, and if Snowden was on the plane, would be able to do nothing about it, since that would in effect be Bolivian Territory on a Diplomatic mission. Darn those international treaties on such things interfering with the power of authority.

Spain said no, France said no. Italy said no. Austria said yes, but still wrangled an agreement to search the plane for the lying little punk (according to the same apologists who swear none of this happened). In the mean time the information is filtering up the chain of Government, and France's President said holy crap, you can't do that, let him through. By that time, the plane was already on the ground in Austria.

Last night, it was purported that the plane refueled in Spain, but since the flight path of the plane doesn't go over France, much less Spain which for the Geographically challenged is beyond France from Austria, then that seems unlikely to say the least.

Besides, why would a plane that is now just over five thousand miles from home, turn around, and go nearly a thousand miles in the wrong direction? I know, critical thought is apparently not one of the skills of the apologists. They're good at the rolling on the ground smileys, and the insulting comments, but not so much with the whole critical thought thing.

As nations became aware of what was going on in the middle of the night, their responsible leaders changed their underwear, and demanded that this all go away, and for the love of God do not say anything about denying a Presidential flight.

Somebody twisted a bunch of arms in the middle of the night, and that somebody was probably us. It is the one common denominator that makes any sense, not that anything is this debacle makes much sense.

It took a couple hours for the decision to flow upwards far enough before someone would say yes, let the plane through. Two hours is a long time while your plane is burning fuel, which is in a limited supply on a plane by the way. It violates I don't know how many international treaties and agreements. But according to the apologists, none of that happened. Everyone is overreacting. Yeah. Who do you think South America is going to believe? My money is on the locals there believing their own elected representatives over a bunch of nothing to see here apologists for the colonial mentality.

There will be some pain for the Europeans over this, I'm betting that some of the assets of the Europeans are nationalized within sixty days, any takers?

Riiiight. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #1
It's always the initial lie that gets the biggest headlines, and the most fake outrage. ODS should Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #2
how many times have we all seen this? Whisp Jul 2013 #4
I admit, most of the time I just LMAO at the sheer foolishness. At what point is there poutrage.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #20
Too true, we are the Tahir of the internet here flamingdem Jul 2013 #25
See posts 5 & 13. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #28
+100 zappaman Jul 2013 #22
I think that we should fill DU flamingdem Jul 2013 #26
That's stupid. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #32
That's not something I normally do. zappaman Jul 2013 #33
Because patriotism and nationalism produce certain kinds of Hissyspit Jul 2013 #36
I don't know if they produce blindness... zappaman Jul 2013 #37
Which is another reason people are suspicious of its use as a language. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #39
but, but....Snowden is a Patriot!1! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #48
Oh brother... zappaman Jul 2013 #52
More like Paul Revere's flamingdem Jul 2013 #69
You do realize you are proving my point? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #85
Yes. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #96
But why let it bother you? zappaman Jul 2013 #55
It's complicated and it's not necessarily about being bothered. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #61
Oh my lawd, I hope he's a flamingdem Jul 2013 #71
I'd rather have Patriotism and Nationalism than the opposite. MicaelS Jul 2013 #74
So it's either/or? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #77
Oh, you mean the Noam Chomsky Club, right? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #113
I take back my compliment from last night Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #67
Sorry, I'm not above that flamingdem Jul 2013 #73
Whew, you must have had a hard time here for your first few months here A Simple Game Jul 2013 #81
Which is why we live in a dangerous time. randome Jul 2013 #27
True. zappaman Jul 2013 #30
+1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #40
I have yet to see anyone lionize Rand Paul on this board Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #68
I think you're right, it won't be either of the Pauls. randome Jul 2013 #79
Yes. If only some here understood where the REAL fight lies. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #72
Why can't we unite to fight the right wing in the USA flamingdem Jul 2013 #75
Many of us Aerows Jul 2013 #109
Defending executions without a trial seems right-wing to me. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #129
In all seriousness, I think you are absolutely right Number23 Jul 2013 #112
So the French just issued an apology for blocking his plane LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #84
NOW do you understand? sibelian Jul 2013 #95
Morales is laughing this off too think Jul 2013 #3
The followup question is the tell... Pholus Jul 2013 #5
So because they refused to confirm reports, it means they did deny the flight? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #6
no it means that the president of a sovereign nation was humiliated Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #8
Nice try, Warren, but I'm not laughing at Bolivia or their leader Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #17
Over at the Guardian they were breathlessly "live blogging" the event flamingdem Jul 2013 #31
But...but zappaman Jul 2013 #44
In Russian this says - Lassie: Imperialist Running Dog! flamingdem Jul 2013 #49
gee, I wonder who that Guardian blogger could be.... Whisp Jul 2013 #60
Interesting. It stinks of disinfo mostly by the facts they omit flamingdem Jul 2013 #63
In this instant bloggertwitter day, it probably wouldn't be all that difficult Whisp Jul 2013 #65
Who's the nitwit now? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #111
Apparently the answer is "initially" since it consistent with all three French official statements. Pholus Jul 2013 #13
Important post they did stop it Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #23
So the statement by Hollande... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #35
To defend the authoritarian governments of the world. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #47
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76
It's unpatriotic to think pscot Jul 2013 #107
The timeline will tell WovenGems Jul 2013 #57
I agree that it would be cool! Pholus Jul 2013 #59
No it's because France admitted they didn't give him permission... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #83
While you wait for clearance you are burning up fuel Downwinder Jul 2013 #15
Isn't it hysterical how we can shit on the leaders of the "little" nations? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #7
+1 think Jul 2013 #9
+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #18
+1 magellan Jul 2013 #19
+1 n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #70
ODS = ? AlinPA Jul 2013 #10
Obama Derangement Syndrome Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11
Thanks. AlinPA Jul 2013 #14
It is projection. From one obsessed with a personality onto anyone who disagrees with them. morningfog Jul 2013 #64
It turns out the story about the NSA spying on us was total bullshit - LMAO!!! DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #12
I'm glad no one on DU had been calling for the return of Freedom Fries prior to this new development LanternWaste Jul 2013 #16
Not as embarrassing as those cheering for the detention of Morales' plane. But now apparently sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #29
Some ravers and their "sycophantile" groupies may want to revise some of posts on other threads Sheepshank Jul 2013 #21
Yes, I don't see the hysterics from yesterday offering to even change their opinion! flamingdem Jul 2013 #34
Since we now have confirmation from the French president that permission was initially denied muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #42
Oh really, I've read about 18 different accounts nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #43
Yes, really - see reply #13 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #53
Solid proof? I'll wait and see. I am not hysterical like the people who flamingdem Jul 2013 #58
France Apologies for Delaying Bolivia Presidential Flight frylock Jul 2013 #98
And automatically believed one? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #62
But, but, but... kiva Jul 2013 #130
You're going to have to tell us how that eating crow LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #118
We'll see. ProSense Jul 2013 #24
Let's hope this all leads to better, not worse relations between flamingdem Jul 2013 #38
Well, well. State Dept confirms the US has been in contact with overflight countries magellan Jul 2013 #41
This "in contact" was related to asylum requests not to Evo Morales flight to Bolivia flamingdem Jul 2013 #45
For anyone thinking of taking the parent seriously.... Pholus Jul 2013 #50
The Guardian is slanting coverage on this for obvious reasons flamingdem Jul 2013 #51
Yes, that's it. Pholus Jul 2013 #54
My point is that she said today that the US had nothing to do with the Bolivian plane incident flamingdem Jul 2013 #56
No, she didn't say "the US had nothing to do with the Bolivian plane incident" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #123
Smoking gun. dkf Jul 2013 #80
It's the Guardian, so it must be true. No agenda there. Nope. None. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #78
It is, in fact, true. Truth doesn't give a damn how bootlickers feel about it. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #92
Ooohhhh, "bootlickers". Count me as "DisgustipatedinNC". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #101
So counted. Thanks for the binky. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #103
So there is a conspiracy if the conspirators admit to one? randome Jul 2013 #46
The story is that they refused permission to "land for refueling" not that thing you just quoted. ieoeja Jul 2013 #66
Actually it is your post that is BS - France admits permission was denied, apologizes... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #82
Kick for visibility. pa28 Jul 2013 #86
Well now that France has apologized for it, and you've been shown to be a complete and utter fool Maven Jul 2013 #87
No. n/t QC Jul 2013 #88
more tool than fool Enrique Jul 2013 #105
Not until it's authorized... LOL. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #119
BOOM haha lol MisterP Jul 2013 #89
kick Hooray for Pepe Jul 2013 #90
Uh oh. Looks like you're completely fucking wrong. Again. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #91
Isn't it sickening? They go from castigating critics for not admitting they were wrong, to Marr Jul 2013 #120
+1000! Puglover Jul 2013 #132
He who laughs last laughs the longest Fumesucker Jul 2013 #93
K&R for the sheer delight of your being so totally fucking betrayed by the fucking French. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #94
Cali Democrat has thoroughly discredited himself, which is useful to remember DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #97
it exposes an utter lack of character on their part.. frylock Jul 2013 #100
Yep. You can smell a liar after a few posts. Intransigent in the face of proof GoneFishin Jul 2013 #131
kicking and reccing for exposure.. frylock Jul 2013 #99
What the hell does a story about France have to do with ODS? tularetom Jul 2013 #102
LOL @ OP LittleBlue Jul 2013 #104
Kick. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #106
Some folks don't know when to admit Aerows Jul 2013 #108
LMAO @ who REALLY bought the bullshit. Your desperation is showing. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #110
Kick & Bellylaugh LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #114
At the moment it appears that France did initially block Morales from flying into its airspace. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #115
Kick douchebag post. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #116
BBC is reporting that the French have issued an appology for blocking his flight 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #117
Apologists...? This is why people don't listen to you anymore. Marr Jul 2013 #121
The story that Snowden was on that plane was bullshit FIRST. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #122
Your desire to throw around ODS here is embarrassing. What a laughable OP. nt stillwaiting Jul 2013 #124
Rec. The French apology for refusing use of airspace is a hoax! The Link Jul 2013 #125
+2 graham4anything Jul 2013 #126
-2 BBC and President Hollonade trump Yahoo "News" I think. Bradical79 Jul 2013 #128
Um... Hissyspit Jul 2013 #133
Kinda hard to sort fredamae Jul 2013 #127
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #135
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