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quakerboy

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94. I think you have it backward. Rumors dont much matter. What matters is events that actually happen

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 05:50 AM

Jul 2013

I assume we can agree that the plane was turned away?

Why was the plane turned away? I guess I could be wrong, but I assume that the plane of the head of state of a foriegn country would not be subject to a search. Can Portugal search AF1 if the president lands there to refuel? I would be shocked if they could/did.

In which case, whether Snowden had been on the plane or not was irrelevant. Further, his being there or not would be irrelevant to any treaty Portugal might have signed. Which means Portugal had no real reason to refuse the plane landing for refueling.

The rumor, and its origin, is basically irrelevant. Its like if there was a rumor that my neighbor beats his wife, and then he throws her out in the front yard and beats her to find out where the rumor came from. It really doesn't matter where the rumor started. What matters is what actually HAPPENED that we all saw in the front yard.

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Evo Morales' Presidential plane rerouted to Austria after false rumors of Snowden onboard [View all] flamingdem Jul 2013 OP

From this shoddily-written piece, it was to land in Portugal to refuel, but was diverted to Austria leveymg Jul 2013 #1

Essentially Cuba did the same thing flamingdem Jul 2013 #3

This is out of fucking order malaise Jul 2013 #2

Cuba did it too. Countries don't want to break their treaties with the USA flamingdem Jul 2013 #4

Caba did what? boston bean Jul 2013 #9

This plane wasn't forced down flamingdem Jul 2013 #10

Oh. Thanks for the explanation. nt boston bean Jul 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Jul 2013 #7

how? cali Jul 2013 #17

Damn! This is getting down right weird. longship Jul 2013 #5

Sorry I should have waited, it wasn't forced down as the article says flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

So let me get this straight nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #25

This was about treaties and Portugal didn't want to have to deal with Snowden flamingdem Jul 2013 #27

No they don't, and they know it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #28

No one went on the plane, the plane was rerouted to Austria for refueling nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #30

They refused landing rights nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #32

But to deny landing rights to a plane carrying a head of state is serious. longship Jul 2013 #26

Sloppy writing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #29

Well, I had read a few of the other posts. longship Jul 2013 #35

LOL!!! Whisp Jul 2013 #81

Yeah... Yeah... No "Scrambling Of Jets"... WillyT Jul 2013 #6

Sorry I should edit that out, no scrambling happened just that Portugal wouldn't let them land flamingdem Jul 2013 #11

Thanks for the clarification malaise Jul 2013 #22

Prosense in a post down below thinks it was rumors meant to create an impression flamingdem Jul 2013 #23

So quick to believe a misreported story... SidDithers Jul 2013 #24

I think everyone is immune to your "clever" snark Sid. I do like your avatar. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #42

In this new world everybody is guilty until proven innocent. WTH. Little Star Jul 2013 #8

Isn't Hollande so disgusted with POTUS that they'd take Snowden no problem? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #13

They thought they could use him to plug a dike there flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

omg that is sooooo bad... Whisp Jul 2013 #83

Bet they wouldn't do this to Putin n2doc Jul 2013 #14

This was Portugal's decision but unfortunately it was based on a rumor flamingdem Jul 2013 #16

If Snowden had been on the plane Savannahmann Jul 2013 #37

I think all that matters is the origin of the rumor flamingdem Jul 2013 #38

Exactly, ProSense Jul 2013 #44

Assange + crew don't care about any country, it's all a chess board flamingdem Jul 2013 #47

And it's not to the authors of the programs opposed? /nt TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #71

True, it's just that the authors have more resources flamingdem Jul 2013 #74

Who started the rumor is irrelevant to the actions. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #45

They had rerouted it to Spain, but at the last minute Spain withdrew flamingdem Jul 2013 #49

Wow...good luck with that asylum, Mr. Snowden alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #55

"Not in my country you don't" flamingdem Jul 2013 #57

Again, ProSense Jul 2013 #51

You can't close airspace except in specific circumstances Savannahmann Jul 2013 #58

Evidently, ProSense Jul 2013 #60

Portugal diverted to Spain, looks like Spain has some 'splainin to do nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #61

Oh, and ProSense Jul 2013 #62

Thank you Savannahmann Jul 2013 #67

Clearly ProSense Jul 2013 #68

Not to mention Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #85

I think you have it backward. Rumors dont much matter. What matters is events that actually happen quakerboy Jul 2013 #94

All I am saying is that a Chinese or Russian plane carrying their leader wouldn't have been stopped n2doc Jul 2013 #59

Sounds like something out of a cheap 70s thriller RZM Jul 2013 #18

You lose the discussion, you said Nazi first. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

Think about ProSense Jul 2013 #20

Good thinking Prosense. Of course it likely was Assange flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

LOL. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #63

Oh, ProSense Jul 2013 #64

I heard a rumor that he is staying at your place. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #65

LOL! ProSense Jul 2013 #66

If a simple rumor inspired such actions, that ought to give you pause. Marr Jul 2013 #92

He has really become the head ache that no one wants. Number23 Jul 2013 #31

The problem is the Assange team starting this rumor, if Boliva can't see that they're screwed flamingdem Jul 2013 #33

That says it all, doesn't it? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #34

It does. But none of this should come as a surprise to anyone who knows anything about any of this Number23 Jul 2013 #36

+1,000,000,000 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #46

It's working to some extent. I just hope the Latin American leaders come to their senses flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

"and it's the people who are opposed to his actions that are the only ones still talking about him." rhett o rick Jul 2013 #48

lol You think what you want Number23 Jul 2013 #72

You can rationalize all you want but your sweet denial bubble is going to break. Those that live in rhett o rick Jul 2013 #90

The fan of 'the man no country will take' is telling me that I am the one in Teh Bubble Number23 Jul 2013 #93

Believe it or not, it is possible to CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #89

I dont believe it. There are basically two schools of thought here. One that says we need to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #91

Well I think it's about time for Snowden to come home and stand up for his rights. southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #39

His dad has retained Ralph Fein a Libertarian hot shot lawyer for him nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

Well I think he needs to come home. I think Ellisburg was a hero because he stay here southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #41

Ralph Fein? Who dragged the damn English Patient into this farce? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #52

ooops do I really have to look up my own post flamingdem Jul 2013 #54

Portugal and France are now officially on my shit-list. n/t DeSwiss Jul 2013 #50

Add Spain, they were the first country that refused the rerouting by Portugal nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #56

They were already there. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #70

LOL true, Latin Americans should be complaining flamingdem Jul 2013 #73

HOLLYWOOD Iliyah Jul 2013 #69

What is the best ending to this caper? flamingdem Jul 2013 #77

It was all a dream! Whisp Jul 2013 #88

Catch Me If You Can. Whisp Jul 2013 #86

Embarrassing ham fisted behavior by the US. morningfog Jul 2013 #75

Was there a report that the US is behind this? flamingdem Jul 2013 #76

You think the US had no role in blocking the plane's landing? morningfog Jul 2013 #78

I think we'll find out so I don't need to think about it flamingdem Jul 2013 #79

You don't need to think about it, but blame Assange in every other post? morningfog Jul 2013 #80

That is my first impression flamingdem Jul 2013 #82

Children are more reasonable. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #87

Christ, doesn't anyone keep passenger manifests anymore, Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #84