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pnwmom

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86. Yes, hurdles. When I was a young parent and didn't know any better,
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jul 2013

my son had small seizures with the old DPT vaccine. Although his fever wasn't high (no more than 102), it and the screaming/shaking episodes persisted for a week. My pediatrician thought there was no connection with the vaccine and never reported the reaction and never told me that I could have reported it. How was I, as a young parent, to know about reporting to the FDA if my doctor didn't tell me? Doctors like him use circular reasoning. My son had an atypical reaction; therefore the doctor thought it couldn't have been caused by the vaccine; therefore he discounted it and didn't report it. So the FDA never hears about many atypical reactions.

We had moved to a new city when it was time for my son to get his next booster, so we had a new doctor, thank goodness. I happened to mention to my mother that I was dreading the next round of vaccines, and that's when I first learned that my sister had developed seizures and DIED the day after her 6 month vaccines. In the hospital, they had diagnosed her with encephalitis, but the doctor wrote "pneumonia" on the death certificate. Somehow, she had gone to her well-baby visit and died of "pneumonia" within 24 hours. (And so that's what I'd been hearing my whole life -- that my sister suddenly died of pneumonia.) My new pediatrician pointed out that whooping cough (part of the DPT vaccine) causes a severe form of pneumonia, and she so stopped giving the vaccine to my son -- just switched to the Dt. (My daughter and niece had already had the pertussis part stopped because they'd developed the above 105 degree fevers that the FDA recognized as a reason not to get the vaccine.) And THEN my mother called to say she remembered that her cousin had died of a vaccine reaction, and another cousin had been permanently paralyzed -- but they were told it was a bad batch of the vaccine!

So yeah, you can say "correlation does not equal causation" till you're blue in the face but you'll never convince a family whose baby suffered seizures and died, within 24 hours of a vaccine, that there wasn't a connection.

P.S. Thankfully the DPT vaccine available now is much safer and my family has gotten boosters without incident. But this only came about because the "anti-vaxx" people were vehement in demanding a safer vaccine.

Ok, show me the dead bodies. jeff47 Jul 2013 #1
I can tell you my concern: it's touted as a "cervical cancer vaccine" Recursion Jul 2013 #3
No, it's touted as an HPV vaccine, and HPV increases the risk of cervical cancer jeff47 Jul 2013 #5
It was our family practice doctor who gave me this link pnwmom Jul 2013 #10
The article says 44 deaths to date. ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #4
K, and how many cervical cancer deaths in the same time frame? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2013 #6
I'm confused by your question.. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #7
The OP makes a claim that those side effects are more dangerous than cervical cancer. jeff47 Jul 2013 #12
If the vaccine doesn't work... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #18
Except the vaccine does work. jeff47 Jul 2013 #20
If it actually works against the covered strains... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #25
Absolutely none in the age group getting this vaccine, pnwmom Jul 2013 #11
So...cervical cancer is so common women need pap smears frequently jeff47 Jul 2013 #14
Women will continue to need annual pap smears pnwmom Jul 2013 #23
Your argument makes no sense. jeff47 Jul 2013 #32
The only woman I know who ended up having stage one cervical cancer, pnwmom Jul 2013 #37
So do I now have to explain the difference between anecdote and statistics? jeff47 Jul 2013 #39
Did you even bother to read the statistics in the articles at the OP? pnwmom Jul 2013 #54
Yes. They're comparing apples and oranges jeff47 Jul 2013 #80
I assume that means since 2006 quakerboy Jul 2013 #61
..... cali Jul 2013 #77
Did you miss this part? Or do you literally need to see dead bodies? pnwmom Jul 2013 #9
Need to measure the danger of the vaccine vs. the disease to figure out if it's "more dangerous" jeff47 Jul 2013 #15
HPV is almost always eliminated by the body naturally, without any treatment, pnwmom Jul 2013 #21
Again, numbers are necessary to make an actual decision. jeff47 Jul 2013 #28
When a researcher wants funding for a particular vaccine or drug, we should make sure that pnwmom Jul 2013 #36
So you just switched sides? jeff47 Jul 2013 #41
The human immune system DOES change between 9 and 15. Ever hear of puberty? pnwmom Jul 2013 #42
Your own article doesn't support your claims. jeff47 Jul 2013 #81
I'm glad this woman is speaking up, SheilaT Jul 2013 #2
I think it adds weight to the skeptics' argument when the lead investigator comes out on their side. pnwmom Jul 2013 #13
say what? cali Jul 2013 #62
HPV vaccine seen lowering HPV infections in teen girls Warpy Jul 2013 #8
So you don't trust the LEAD INVESTIGATOR in the research? pnwmom Jul 2013 #16
She isn't presenting a paper now. She's making claims. jeff47 Jul 2013 #19
She's making claims about her own papers that she already wrote. pnwmom Jul 2013 #27
Then why were these claims not in those papers? jeff47 Jul 2013 #38
Apparently she was saying what her employers wanted her to say. Now she's not. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #40
So she'll lie for money. jeff47 Jul 2013 #82
Actually, that was my mistake. She didn't receive money from them for that work. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #88
Is she an immunologist or an epidemiologist? jberryhill Jul 2013 #26
Here's her bio. It's quite extensive. pnwmom Jul 2013 #34
Authority in science is not given to a person. longship Jul 2013 #29
No, but as the lead researcher in Phase 2 and 3 research on those vaccines, she is better positioned pnwmom Jul 2013 #30
No position except for the literature as a whole! longship Jul 2013 #44
The other research shows that the number of HPV cases caused by those strains has decreased. pnwmom Jul 2013 #45
Gees, Louise! This is a vaccination that prevents fucking cancer. longship Jul 2013 #47
I would like to see the study that proves the vaccine has reduced cancer deaths pnwmom Jul 2013 #50
Sorry, but here you go. longship Jul 2013 #55
Sorry, but you're still avoiding the issue of cancer deaths rather than HPV cases. pnwmom Jul 2013 #68
It has nothing to do with uterine cancer. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #92
See my post below. #48 nt longship Jul 2013 #49
NOPE. Warpy Jul 2013 #33
But she's been collecting much of the data that other people have been relying on to analyze. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #35
I trust the scientific process, not any one person. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #71
Sorry! Not buying this. longship Jul 2013 #17
+1 Deep13 Jul 2013 #73
The HPV vaccine has been rigorously studied. It saves lives. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #22
The lead investigator on the Gardasil vaccine might actually know something about this. pnwmom Jul 2013 #24
It really isn't worth engaging with them arikara Jul 2013 #31
bullshit. anti-vaxxer garbage. cali Jul 2013 #43
What you said. neverforget Jul 2013 #46
The person speaking out was a lead researcher in the development of the vaccines. pnwmom Jul 2013 #52
sorry, but the actual scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the efficacy and safety of this cali Jul 2013 #56
Enough of this anti-vaccination bullshit! longship Jul 2013 #48
the op shamefully uses an ancient CBS article to push her disgusting anti-vaxxer cali Jul 2013 #59
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! longship Jul 2013 #70
What I find humorous...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #51
Actually, human beings have been dying from preventable illnesses for thousands of years. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #53
What I find amusing is that they love ANY kind of whistleblowers except pnwmom Jul 2013 #58
I know on political issues you and I don't always agree..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #66
Sorry, but the evidence that this is an extraordinarily effective vaccine cali Jul 2013 #60
And yet you responded to it. So who's really the dumb one here? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #69
Where is the evidence that it actually saves lives -- not just reduces the number of cases pnwmom Jul 2013 #74
So, don't ever get another tetanus shot or MMR shot. Apophis Jul 2013 #67
Well what do ya know, another zero-sum sycophant. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #72
disgraceful op. simply disgraceful and misleading crap. cali Jul 2013 #57
I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Name calling doesn't impress anyone but other name callers, cali. pnwmom Jul 2013 #63
you're pushing anti-vaxxer crap. cali Jul 2013 #64
The vast majority of girls and women clear HPV from their bodies after a couple years pnwmom Jul 2013 #65
It's pointless to attempt a discussion with anti-vaxxer nuts. n/t cali Jul 2013 #75
There aren't any of them here, but thanks for your opinion. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #78
My own experience with respect to an early flu vaccine may be of interest. AdHocSolver Jul 2013 #76
It is interesting to see all the big-pharma fans here, pnwmom Jul 2013 #79
I'm right there with you and your thinking oregonjen Jul 2013 #84
There is so much sensationalism in those articles it makes my head hurt Trekologer Jul 2013 #83
Yes, hurdles. When I was a young parent and didn't know any better, pnwmom Jul 2013 #86
The Vaccine Information Statement has the information Trekologer Jul 2013 #96
VAERS data is notoriously bad. Anyone can submit anything into VAERS... SidDithers Jul 2013 #85
It is just as likely to understate side effects since most parents don't know pnwmom Jul 2013 #87
So...don't get the vaccine, but stop with the propaganda bullish*t. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #89
I'm so very sorry this happened to you. But the vaccine covers only 4 of the 40 HPV strains pnwmom Jul 2013 #90
By your response, you reveal your ignorance of the issue. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #91
If the vaccine doesn't work for at least 15 years, women might have a false sense of security pnwmom Jul 2013 #93
Again. Why do you care? NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #94
I care for the same reason you care. pnwmom Jul 2013 #95
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