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DeSwiss

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51. What I find humorous......

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 02:17 AM

Jul 2013

...are all these ''scientific experts and defenders'' who throw their pharma-filled bodies at the feet of their science GOD, when for 300 million years we survived the worst shit imaginable without their asses. And still we evolved. Well, some of us did.

- How the fuck did we do it? Oh yeah, Mother Nature. Right.

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Lead investigator for HPV vaccines "comes clean so she can sleep at night." [View all] pnwmom Jul 2013 OP

Ok, show me the dead bodies. jeff47 Jul 2013 #1

I can tell you my concern: it's touted as a "cervical cancer vaccine" Recursion Jul 2013 #3

No, it's touted as an HPV vaccine, and HPV increases the risk of cervical cancer jeff47 Jul 2013 #5

It was our family practice doctor who gave me this link pnwmom Jul 2013 #10

The article says 44 deaths to date. ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #4

K, and how many cervical cancer deaths in the same time frame? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2013 #6

I'm confused by your question.. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #7

The OP makes a claim that those side effects are more dangerous than cervical cancer. jeff47 Jul 2013 #12

If the vaccine doesn't work... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #18

Except the vaccine does work. jeff47 Jul 2013 #20

If it actually works against the covered strains... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #25

Absolutely none in the age group getting this vaccine, pnwmom Jul 2013 #11

So...cervical cancer is so common women need pap smears frequently jeff47 Jul 2013 #14

Women will continue to need annual pap smears pnwmom Jul 2013 #23

Your argument makes no sense. jeff47 Jul 2013 #32

The only woman I know who ended up having stage one cervical cancer, pnwmom Jul 2013 #37

So do I now have to explain the difference between anecdote and statistics? jeff47 Jul 2013 #39

Did you even bother to read the statistics in the articles at the OP? pnwmom Jul 2013 #54

Yes. They're comparing apples and oranges jeff47 Jul 2013 #80

I assume that means since 2006 quakerboy Jul 2013 #61

..... cali Jul 2013 #77

Did you miss this part? Or do you literally need to see dead bodies? pnwmom Jul 2013 #9

Need to measure the danger of the vaccine vs. the disease to figure out if it's "more dangerous" jeff47 Jul 2013 #15

HPV is almost always eliminated by the body naturally, without any treatment, pnwmom Jul 2013 #21

Again, numbers are necessary to make an actual decision. jeff47 Jul 2013 #28

When a researcher wants funding for a particular vaccine or drug, we should make sure that pnwmom Jul 2013 #36

So you just switched sides? jeff47 Jul 2013 #41

The human immune system DOES change between 9 and 15. Ever hear of puberty? pnwmom Jul 2013 #42

Your own article doesn't support your claims. jeff47 Jul 2013 #81

I'm glad this woman is speaking up, SheilaT Jul 2013 #2

I think it adds weight to the skeptics' argument when the lead investigator comes out on their side. pnwmom Jul 2013 #13

say what? cali Jul 2013 #62

HPV vaccine seen lowering HPV infections in teen girls Warpy Jul 2013 #8

So you don't trust the LEAD INVESTIGATOR in the research? pnwmom Jul 2013 #16

She isn't presenting a paper now. She's making claims. jeff47 Jul 2013 #19

She's making claims about her own papers that she already wrote. pnwmom Jul 2013 #27

Then why were these claims not in those papers? jeff47 Jul 2013 #38

Apparently she was saying what her employers wanted her to say. Now she's not. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #40

So she'll lie for money. jeff47 Jul 2013 #82

Actually, that was my mistake. She didn't receive money from them for that work. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #88

Is she an immunologist or an epidemiologist? jberryhill Jul 2013 #26

Here's her bio. It's quite extensive. pnwmom Jul 2013 #34

Authority in science is not given to a person. longship Jul 2013 #29

No, but as the lead researcher in Phase 2 and 3 research on those vaccines, she is better positioned pnwmom Jul 2013 #30

No position except for the literature as a whole! longship Jul 2013 #44

The other research shows that the number of HPV cases caused by those strains has decreased. pnwmom Jul 2013 #45

Gees, Louise! This is a vaccination that prevents fucking cancer. longship Jul 2013 #47

I would like to see the study that proves the vaccine has reduced cancer deaths pnwmom Jul 2013 #50

Sorry, but here you go. longship Jul 2013 #55

Sorry, but you're still avoiding the issue of cancer deaths rather than HPV cases. pnwmom Jul 2013 #68

It has nothing to do with uterine cancer. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #92

See my post below. #48 nt longship Jul 2013 #49

NOPE. Warpy Jul 2013 #33

But she's been collecting much of the data that other people have been relying on to analyze. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #35

I trust the scientific process, not any one person. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #71

Sorry! Not buying this. longship Jul 2013 #17

+1 Deep13 Jul 2013 #73

The HPV vaccine has been rigorously studied. It saves lives. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #22

The lead investigator on the Gardasil vaccine might actually know something about this. pnwmom Jul 2013 #24

It really isn't worth engaging with them arikara Jul 2013 #31

bullshit. anti-vaxxer garbage. cali Jul 2013 #43

What you said. neverforget Jul 2013 #46

The person speaking out was a lead researcher in the development of the vaccines. pnwmom Jul 2013 #52

sorry, but the actual scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the efficacy and safety of this cali Jul 2013 #56

Enough of this anti-vaccination bullshit! longship Jul 2013 #48

the op shamefully uses an ancient CBS article to push her disgusting anti-vaxxer cali Jul 2013 #59

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! longship Jul 2013 #70

What I find humorous...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #51

Actually, human beings have been dying from preventable illnesses for thousands of years. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #53

What I find amusing is that they love ANY kind of whistleblowers except pnwmom Jul 2013 #58

I know on political issues you and I don't always agree..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #66

Sorry, but the evidence that this is an extraordinarily effective vaccine cali Jul 2013 #60

And yet you responded to it. So who's really the dumb one here? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #69

Where is the evidence that it actually saves lives -- not just reduces the number of cases pnwmom Jul 2013 #74

So, don't ever get another tetanus shot or MMR shot. Apophis Jul 2013 #67

Well what do ya know, another zero-sum sycophant. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #72

disgraceful op. simply disgraceful and misleading crap. cali Jul 2013 #57

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Name calling doesn't impress anyone but other name callers, cali. pnwmom Jul 2013 #63

you're pushing anti-vaxxer crap. cali Jul 2013 #64

The vast majority of girls and women clear HPV from their bodies after a couple years pnwmom Jul 2013 #65

It's pointless to attempt a discussion with anti-vaxxer nuts. n/t cali Jul 2013 #75

There aren't any of them here, but thanks for your opinion. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #78

My own experience with respect to an early flu vaccine may be of interest. AdHocSolver Jul 2013 #76

It is interesting to see all the big-pharma fans here, pnwmom Jul 2013 #79

I'm right there with you and your thinking oregonjen Jul 2013 #84

There is so much sensationalism in those articles it makes my head hurt Trekologer Jul 2013 #83

Yes, hurdles. When I was a young parent and didn't know any better, pnwmom Jul 2013 #86

The Vaccine Information Statement has the information Trekologer Jul 2013 #96

VAERS data is notoriously bad. Anyone can submit anything into VAERS... SidDithers Jul 2013 #85

It is just as likely to understate side effects since most parents don't know pnwmom Jul 2013 #87

So...don't get the vaccine, but stop with the propaganda bullish*t. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #89

I'm so very sorry this happened to you. But the vaccine covers only 4 of the 40 HPV strains pnwmom Jul 2013 #90

By your response, you reveal your ignorance of the issue. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #91

If the vaccine doesn't work for at least 15 years, women might have a false sense of security pnwmom Jul 2013 #93

Again. Why do you care? NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #94

I care for the same reason you care. pnwmom Jul 2013 #95