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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. It's way to big to be about "terrorism."
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

At the very, very least, this volume of information is intended in part of U.S. domestic law enforcement. Recent reports now indicate that foreign *economic spying* is also an application.

We need to hack this system off at the knees. The Patriot Act must go. The revisions to FISA being relied upon need to be thoroughly, publicly vetted and scaled back to something that might reasonably resemble actual national defense.

This is what happens when power is wielded in the dark. The driving force is never about the common good. It's to increase political and economic advantage for those with access to it.

Republicans keep talking about all the things we can't afford anymore, like healthcare and unemployment benefits and the mail.

Money drives this thing. We need to turn off the spigot NOW and worry about rebuilding whatever might actually be needed LATER.
What the FUCK are they looking for? leftstreet Jun 2013 #1
That's a good question. They claim 117,000 terrorist morningfog Jun 2013 #3
When you throw in those with anarchist literature and a history of environmental activism Maedhros Jun 2013 #31
But with about 5 million people who timdog44 Jun 2013 #39
117,000 terra-ists? 90-percent Jun 2013 #46
The purpose is to protect themselves against THE PEOPLE woo me with science Jun 2013 #4
CORRECT BobbyBoring Jun 2013 #38
+1000. nt. polly7 Jun 2013 #50
It's way to big to be about "terrorism." DirkGently Jun 2013 #6
Good Points..! KoKo Jun 2013 #8
This always was a police matter ...not a military one. It is a band of probably less than 3000 L0oniX Jun 2013 #13
hack it off at the knees marions ghost Jun 2013 #43
well said. blackspade Jul 2013 #64
It's about security donchaknow ....government job security! L0oniX Jun 2013 #11
Leverage n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #14
That's an excellent question, particularly when you think about some of the "plots" winter is coming Jun 2013 #60
I believe they are looking for Enthusiast Jul 2013 #65
Link To Washington Post Slide Set cantbeserious Jun 2013 #2
Thnx leveymg Jun 2013 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #7
An explanation from the Bush Administration for failing to stop the 9/11 attacks was that the AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #9
Government is like the scorpion on the back of the frog... kentuck Jun 2013 #10
The President ProSense Jun 2013 #12
We already argued this last night. Same points stand. leveymg Jun 2013 #16
And what about that original thread and this duplicate implies that domestic info is captured? randome Jun 2013 #18
Can you read a flow chart? It goes top to bottom. Profiling happens before targeting. leveymg Jun 2013 #19
And who initially gets entered into the system? randome Jun 2013 #20
PRISM operates as a "database of databases." There are 875,000 identified terrorist suspects leveymg Jun 2013 #22
Thank you for emphasizing that point marions ghost Jun 2013 #56
I really have to wonder why nobody else has picked up on the profiling aspect. Seems fundamental. leveymg Jun 2013 #57
In theory profiling marions ghost Jun 2013 #59
Don't you have some opposition research to do on WAPO reporter Bart Gellman.. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #17
good point, whats up wit day? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #25
Maybe the NSA will send a fresh bale of straw. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #62
PRISM PROFILING- Profiling of any kind should be illegal. midnight Jun 2013 #15
You left some stuff out, some important stuff. jazzimov Jun 2013 #21
Thanks for plowing through all of that. randome Jun 2013 #24
The bottom-line, instead of warrantless targeting, the system now is warrantless profiling everyone. leveymg Jun 2013 #26
Not even close ProSense Jun 2013 #37
Replying so I have a link back later. good stuff. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #28
"because it CAN doesn't mean it DOES" CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #58
this isn't just about terrorism hopemountain Jun 2013 #23
LIES LIES LIES! THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA CANNOT BE TRUSTED!!! Galraedia Jun 2013 #27
I'm reporting the same facts as the WaPo. leveymg Jun 2013 #30
IT'S ALL A LIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Galraedia Jun 2013 #32
The exclamation point is not your friend. leveymg Jun 2013 #35
*gulp* FirstLight Jun 2013 #29
leveymg, you ROCK!!! snot Jun 2013 #33
Back at ya. leveymg Jun 2013 #53
I believe this program of meta-data mining nineteen50 Jun 2013 #34
What are the odds that the NSA lies to the President? Sancho Jun 2013 #36
one of the unfortunate realities of being someone in a position like the President is that they do Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #42
Good point 90-percent Jun 2013 #49
And you believe these slides are legitimate because why? Politicub Jun 2013 #40
Because nobody has said they aren't. If these were photoshops, don't you think someone leveymg Jun 2013 #44
The metadata on the files marions ghost Jun 2013 #47
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #41
Well done. H2O Man Jun 2013 #45
Glad you read it! leveymg Jun 2013 #52
Reminds me H2O Man Jun 2013 #54
You and me. I have hope anyway, but the recent DU has given me hope for the US BelgianMadCow Jun 2013 #55
thank you so much for this op and all your great posts in this thread cali Jun 2013 #48
Thank you! leveymg Jun 2013 #51
Thanks, leveymg. nt bananas Jun 2013 #61
Fuck me running..... blackspade Jul 2013 #63
''A warrant is only required if the decision is made to target the individual.'' Octafish Jul 2013 #66
These charts are too confusing. I just accept everything President Obama does... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #67
Thank you again-k&r n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #68
Kick n/t johnnyreb Jul 2013 #69
Kick n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #70
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