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In reply to the discussion: Let's Be Clear, say Legal Experts, What NSA Is Doing Is 'Criminal' [View all]reusrename
(1,716 posts)58. I really disagree.
The victims are not represented in the FISA court. No one has ever been able to challenge the constitutionality of the law. It most likely will be struck down now. And there does seem to be a sealed finding that the FISA court did on at least one occasion find it illegal.
The real problem here, IMHO, is the creation of secret courts. There is nothing like this authorized in the Constitution. Maybe with Snowden's release the ACLU can finally get some plaintiffs into open court, although I seriously doubt it.
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Let's Be Clear, say Legal Experts, What NSA Is Doing Is 'Criminal' [View all]
99th_Monkey
Jun 2013
OP
Of course it isn't. Why else would a constitutional lawyer President classify it so extraordinarily?
Catherina
Jun 2013
#1
The FISA court that issued the warrant that Snowden leaked clearly thinks it is
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#43
I don't like secret courts either. But I can understand them for certain warrants.
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#60
Snowden's arrest warrant and the survelliance program are separate legal issues
Martin Eden
Jun 2013
#85
Even the Rubber Stamp known as FISA has ruled that the NSA has violated the constitution
think
Jun 2013
#101
If anyone is looking for a specific statute (and some appologists have demanded that others
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#7
You've claimed to be an attorney. Could you cite the statutes broken? When you were an attorney,
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#11
But he provided the warrant. The one to Verizon. If he's got other info, he should release it.
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#31
Nonsense. Agent Mike needs a warrant (like the one produced by Mr. Snowden.) The problem is that
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#41
The FISA court is not entitled to authorize interception of ANY domestic calls.
wtmusic
Jun 2013
#42
You are conflating two different things--domestic calls to foreign entities and calls that
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#45
Wikipedia? Ok. And thank you for admitting that you were wrong about FISA interception. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#47
It is not from Harvard Law. It is from the Kennedy School of Government and the Belfer Center and
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#68
Prove that the government intercepts and stores the communications of every American. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#70
None of this is proof. You've made a fantastical claim--that the communications of all Americans
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#73
Apparently I have been paying better attention. You have made the fantastical claim that all
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#87
But Snowden said he "saw things"! He said stuff! How much clearer do you need it to be?
randome
Jun 2013
#88
Ugh, I think that the court is just going to have to resolve this as it looks like a mess.
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#57
Well, are any of these legal experts on the Supreme Court or is this group some of the same
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#10
Problem is though that SCOTUS has not stepped in and said it was criminal.
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#22
I am well aware that the courts usually take a hands off approach to such cases
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#94
I agree. With 75 recs and so many posts, it's still not ANYwhere on the home page,
99th_Monkey
Jun 2013
#64
Things would be better if they were illegal, unfortunately, this is the law that got passed
Recursion
Jun 2013
#75
By the logic of some in this thread, legally, the Nazis were justified in doing what they did.
Democracyinkind
Jun 2013
#76
I think more could be found who say it was illegal, however, is populist media support
HereSince1628
Jun 2013
#82