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treestar

(82,383 posts)
97. I suppose so.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jun 2013

Is the UN now some sort of undebatable authority? I thought lockstep was out of the question.

That is part of it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #1
yep, it makes sending him back MUCH harder... mike_c Jun 2013 #3
Good point. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #4
It would violate Article 3 of the Geneva Convention. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #138
He left because he hates USA pscot Jun 2013 #2
Those that want life to be easy would agree. Kill Snowden and life goes back to wonderfulness. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #122
I have my own kill list pscot Jun 2013 #127
Is that stupid gecko on the list? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #129
Probably indiscrete pscot Jun 2013 #130
You call them "owners". Not "OUr Authoritarian Overlords"? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #132
Torturing people does tend to have a negative reaction Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #5
Torture is a tool of terrorists. Scare the shit out of the population for control purposes. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #133
It didn't help. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #6
I think so. I know if I were in his shoes I would have gotten Autumn Jun 2013 #7
Good guess. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #8
Obviously Snowden learned from Manning. gulliver Jun 2013 #9
If this keeps up, they're going to have to add another option MattFromKY Jun 2013 #11
Not to mention logic! n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #23
Wikileaks tortured Manning? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46
Obviously you know more than I do nineteen50 Jun 2013 #140
Do the American people ProSense Jun 2013 #10
Of course. Manning's torture was publicized. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #16
"But Romney would likely have been much worse." ProSense Jun 2013 #22
OK, I give up. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #25
"I'm wrong, and I'm sorry" nt tridim Jun 2013 #29
Because Manning needed to be held without trial for years? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #34
You live in Cuckooville. nt tridim Jun 2013 #36
Yes, but do you actually have anything of substance to add? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #38
You live in Denial. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #142
You forgot the drugs Hydra Jun 2013 #77
Nakedness as well, I think? sibelian Jun 2013 #107
Yup, and keeping him on suicide watch when he wasn't suicidal Hydra Jun 2013 #117
Soldiers without due process all the while using them as a shield of spreading freedom. Nothing midnight Jun 2013 #116
Ya, I love how they say we need to "Support our troops" Hydra Jun 2013 #118
It really is the only thing to say-bring them home... midnight Jun 2013 #119
If they let him sleep at all, that is. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #152
Well he isn't wrong. sibelian Jun 2013 #111
Who was president when Manning was being tortured? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #50
And here we see the failure of the Democratic Party. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #55
I imagine that was the main reason. n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #12
That's funny. Your always coming up with the craziest consiracy theories. What okaawhatever Jun 2013 #13
Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #17
Stick in the mud. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #44
Ed Pilkington evidently suffers from a reading comprehension problem. The UN struggle4progress Jun 2013 #54
Thanks for that. I did remember reading something about it, and I wasn't sure if it okaawhatever Jun 2013 #151
The 2011 report is titled struggle4progress Jun 2013 #160
So technically it was not torture RVN VET Jun 2013 #166
No, he wasn't held in solitary; and it's been clear since charges were filed in early July 2010 that struggle4progress Jun 2013 #167
In early 2011, our President declared Manning to be guilty MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #169
Manning has pleaded guilty without any concession from the prosecution struggle4progress Jun 2013 #170
You should be disgusted by your post. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #148
I wonder if people really believe he was tortured michigandem58 Jun 2013 #14
The UN says... MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #18
Feel free to volunteer for 9 months of what Manning endured. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #149
I'm sorry michigandem58 Jun 2013 #154
The UN, and the rest of the world, disagrees. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #155
Manning was tortured? Seriously? lamp_shade Jun 2013 #15
Sadly. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #19
Apparently it's common knowledge in Cuckoo-Ville. tridim Jun 2013 #21
And at the UN. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #24
I respect the UN, but not that particular opinion. nt tridim Jun 2013 #27
And on what basis do you reject that opinion? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #32
It makes Obama look bad Maedhros Jun 2013 #136
so you pick and choose burnodo Jun 2013 #64
No, I'm not lockstep with the UN, or anything in life. tridim Jun 2013 #73
Even the Obama Administration? morningfog Jun 2013 #126
LOL NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #162
Just to make sure I understand your position LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #112
Apparently. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #153
tridim has left the thread LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #168
What? sibelian Jun 2013 #109
WFT indeed. tridim Jun 2013 #113
:) sibelian Jun 2013 #121
Your responses are deteriorating into the childish range. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #124
ignorance of the facts doesn't make the facts less true nashville_brook Jun 2013 #31
How can you say that to those that have worked so hard to craft their denial bubble. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #125
Were you living in a cave? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #114
No of course not. Now go back inside and close the door. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #123
That has been the DU meme for a while know krawhitham Jun 2013 #147
Ya think? mhatrw Jun 2013 #20
It had to have. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #26
It did not encourage Snowden not to spy. It is becoming oblivious Snowden is not Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #28
spying is giving/selling information to an enemy -- guess that makes you an enemy of the state nashville_brook Jun 2013 #30
Check the definition of spying again, it is exactly what scumbag Snowden did. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #33
"Scumbag". bvar22 Jun 2013 #35
Nope, it is a description of Snowden with a better choice of words. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #39
I think they think it makes them sound cop like Dragonfli Jun 2013 #40
Authoritarians tblue Jun 2013 #49
it's bound to happen, what with all those rats jumping from the republican garbage scow. frylock Jun 2013 #57
Well, that's all very nice and everything, but do you have something more than your own opinion on sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #56
The American people is the enemy of the state the government fears most. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #115
OT, but are you by any chance a LEO? Dragonfli Jun 2013 #37
It's the "dehumanizing stares" OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #145
"It is becoming oblivious" best subconscious error today. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #63
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #41
So scary tblue Jun 2013 #45
The Terrorists. :-| n/t DeSwiss Jun 2013 #62
Orwell nailed it Hydra Jun 2013 #80
There really is no public support. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #94
Bradley Manning is military Omaha Steve Jun 2013 #42
Not that different Demeter Jun 2013 #60
Torture is torture whether you are in the military or a civilian. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #69
Torture in the civilian world is hard to get by with Omaha Steve Jun 2013 #75
Not true. The military has to go by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #99
One HERO exposed the heinousness that we're capable of...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #95
Who would stay? tblue Jun 2013 #43
Change you can beLIEve in blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #47
Hahahaha! Couldn't be all the TSSI stuff he stole to give to Russia, China, etc. DevonRex Jun 2013 #48
also why go to CHina if you have a problem with torture ? JI7 Jun 2013 #52
Or Russia. Sheee-it. Ole Vladimir knows a thing or two about how to torture personally. DevonRex Jun 2013 #66
Some people say Snowden should have stuck around and faced the music MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #53
AFAIC there's no chance in hell a spy will "stay and face the music." Neither DevonRex Jun 2013 #79
How do you define a whistleblower? nm MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #83
These will help you. DevonRex Jun 2013 #96
He would not be tortured. He would have due process treestar Jun 2013 #84
Like Manning? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #85
1, Manning in in the military and subject to that system treestar Jun 2013 #91
The UN said it was torture MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #92
I suppose so. treestar Jun 2013 #97
No, the UN never said Manning was tortured struggle4progress Jun 2013 #146
If you believe that you are extremely naive. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #100
Whoa, whoa, whoa! You actually think Barack Obama would be OK with TORTURE? Pterodactyl Jun 2013 #51
Don't be silly. Obama does not control the military. L0oniX Jun 2013 #143
Huh? I thought he was commander in chief. When did he lose control? Pterodactyl Jun 2013 #171
LOL ...well maybe he just doesn't control the torture squad and Guantanamo. L0oniX Jun 2013 #172
He was certainly in control when we killed Osama Bin Laden. But then not in control of Gitmo. Pterodactyl Jun 2013 #173
Good point dflprincess Jun 2013 #58
It would have encouraged me to leave... truebluegreen Jun 2013 #59
I was just mentioning it to my wife tonight MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #72
As luck would have it-- truebluegreen Jun 2013 #74
May I ask where you went? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #76
No problem. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #82
Sounds like a great adventure! MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #86
It has been. Thanks. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #93
And this is what happens in countries felix_numinous Jun 2013 #150
I agree. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #156
Manning's torture and NSA spying and Gitmo and all have made me seriously consider leaving, too Demeter Jun 2013 #61
Greenwald reported that Snowden considered both Manning and Assange, what they did and didn't do Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #65
If true, then the White House's work to terrorize whistleblowers has backfired MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #68
Probably made them more determined too. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #67
True. As a manager, I've found that nothing obliterates morale worse than MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #70
Really an excellent, thought-provoking post, thanks. nt navarth Jun 2013 #71
What or who encouraged him to take all the documents about US spying on foreign countries? pnwmom Jun 2013 #78
You would stay and end up tortured? Hydra Jun 2013 #81
He could have left and only taken documents related to internal US surveillance, pnwmom Jun 2013 #87
A fairer answer than I've seen lately Hydra Jun 2013 #88
I think pretty much everybody agrees, if about nothing else, pnwmom Jun 2013 #89
Highly profitable Hydra Jun 2013 #90
Snowden did not take documents regarding the U.S. spying on other countries Maedhros Jun 2013 #137
Not true. He also took documents related to spying on governments. pnwmom Jun 2013 #157
You're referring to the UK spying on Medvedev. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2013 #159
I'm sure it did. JVS Jun 2013 #98
Tsk, Tsk, Manny. It's called "Enhanced Interrogation". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #101
My bad, sorry. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #104
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #105
"Conjugal visits" for prison rape, "Drug holidays" for withholding of medication from prisoners. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #110
And "Liberal" for politicians that support indefinite detention, signature strikes, Maedhros Jun 2013 #139
I don't know what he was thinking, ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #102
No, I think his INTENT TO PASS SECRET NSA DOCUMENTS TO MULTIPLE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DID. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #103
I thought the info wasn't really secret? morningfog Jun 2013 #128
Seems highly probable. sibelian Jun 2013 #106
That's what happens when whistleblowers don't have internal channels to go through. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #108
and those internal channels hand out punitive punishment. L0oniX Jun 2013 #144
Snowden DID. And if he didn't want to go through agency channels, pnwmom Jun 2013 #158
He probably never heard of Jose Padilla. Octafish Jun 2013 #120
It implies he was tortured in the first place... Pelican Jun 2013 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jun 2013 #134
if he had gone to jail like Manning Enrique Jun 2013 #135
Torture is done to intimidate felix_numinous Jun 2013 #141
No matter what you think of Snowden, you have to admit he is an extremely JDPriestly Jun 2013 #161
Next you'll expect me to believe... Orsino Jun 2013 #163
The more you tighten your grip, the more leakers will slip through your fingers (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #164
friend told me warrprayer Jun 2013 #165
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