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davidpdx

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32. I think there are several issues

Reply to NoodleyAppendage (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:23 PM

Jun 2013

More is coming out about the background check process and the possible holes in the system that are allowing security clearance without thoroughly looking into the persons background.

The issue that he left the US with classified documents. Which is illegal, regardless of people claiming his a whistle-blower (because he's not).

That he has sought refuge through Hong Kong (a protectorate of China), then gone through Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, and to Ecuador doesn't give him the right to claim whistle-blower status, he is running.

You can disagree with the surveillance and still be unhappy about how the entire thing has come about. The two are not mutually exclusive as some would suggest.

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Snowden DU Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome [View all] NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 OP

I'd still hate him if he were skewering Bush. mhatrw Jun 2013 #1

Did you hate Risen then? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #36

Or, perhaps Edward Snowden is neither entirely heroic nor entirely treasonous. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #2

No! Pick a side! We're at war! Deep13 Jun 2013 #31

I don't have a thing against classified documents in every case treestar Jun 2013 #3

SOFA NoOneMan Jun 2013 #4

Your last point is interesting, though I suspect Snowden would still have revealed... NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #5

How did you feel about the leaks during the Bush administration? Did you agree that the NYT sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37

I think there is some cognitive dissonance in place. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

No, I the majority bashing Snowden are just as sincere as those advocating his situation still_one Jun 2013 #7

Do you honestly believe that China wasn't already aware of the US hacking? NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #11

That is not the point. He went to a foreign nation to reveal our secrets. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #17

"He went to a foreign nation to reveal our secrets." And your dog told you that. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #34

I think it is clear what he did. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #55

I find it interesting that you are so definite on knowing what he did and why. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #59

It is not the point, and I do not believe they were aware of Hong Kong being hacked. My main point still_one Jun 2013 #22

Not the specifics creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #29

So you were against the leaks during the Bush years then, the ones that caused the accusation sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #38

Anyone who thinks Snowden is a hero or a villain needs to read fewer comics cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #8

Yep, totally agree NoOneMan Jun 2013 #10

I agree that who cares if he is a hero or a traitor, but his credibility does matter JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14

But the documents are not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #25

You are 100 percent correct. NSA is the story morningfog Jun 2013 #15

They took a few futile shots at the documents, then changed tactics to shooting the messenger. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #19

That's me all the way ecstatic Jun 2013 #30

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And you actually complained about being called names? treestar Jun 2013 #13

Those other names were made up bs RobertEarl Jun 2013 #18

I don't trust him. That does not mean I agree with what the government is doing. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #12

What about our leaders who swore to uphold the constitution? dkf Jun 2013 #26

I agree that they owe us something. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #27

He made a choice to put the collective above himself. Most people don't have the guts. dkf Jun 2013 #28

I respect your opinion but I disagree with it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #33

Sadly I now trust him more than our Elected leaders. dkf Jun 2013 #50

Bingo. That's the point. Thankyou. lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #58

Forget Snowden, do you trust Ms. Plame and Mr. Wilson? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #35

Do I trust them? I think they were wronged by the government. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #56

Not sure that some people marions ghost Jun 2013 #16

For me the cognitive dissonance is about ... frazzled Jun 2013 #20

Good post. nt Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #23

Thank you for mentioning TIA tavalon Jun 2013 #40

Excellent post. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #41

Thank you. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #44

The police crackdown on the Occupiers was pretty horrible. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #46

I agree that the romanticism is a DU thing flamingdem Jun 2013 #47

I really like your post, although I disagree with substantial portions of it. Since you mention HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #49

So you were carrying pictures of Chairman Mao? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #51

Well written BS marions ghost Jun 2013 #54

Good post. sagat Jun 2013 #57

Cognitive Dissonance has my vote... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #21

Thanks for this! n/t NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #24

I think there are several issues davidpdx Jun 2013 #32

I'm able to hold two views simultaneously, tavalon Jun 2013 #39

Well put! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #42

How could someone who is deliberately interfering with US diplomacy with Russia and China pnwmom Jun 2013 #43

How can anyone who contributes to corrupting democracy be viewed as a hero? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #48

Because he didn't "deliberately" interfere with it... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #52

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #53

We have people's hair on fire about a public training manual on security. The shark is jumped Recursion Jun 2013 #45