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randome

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146. It's still in the process of being built is my point.

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:06 PM

Jun 2013

How are they downloading everything into a facility that isn't complete? Or maybe they're storing everything on flash drives in the meantime.

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The abuse of FISA, prosecuting whistleblowers, PRISM, kill lists. Guess what. It isn't about Obama [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 OP

There is a difference between leaking and whistleblowing. randome Jun 2013 #1

The abuse of FISA, PRISM, surveilling journalists and kill lists are still realities. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #2

All the NSA stuff is based on Snowden's ridiculous claims that have no evidence. randome Jun 2013 #11

You contradict yourself Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #14

His claim about the phone metadata was obviously correct. randome Jun 2013 #16

How can it be a legal warrant? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #21

First the phone metadata has always been ruled as belonging to the companies, not individuals. randome Jun 2013 #23

That MD belongs to the carrier service is irrelevant. It allows a blanket invasion against citizens Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #26

'Irrelevant'? The law permits this and now you say it is irrelevant. randome Jun 2013 #29

The OP is not about whether they have legal cover or not. All powers try to validate their GoneFishin Jun 2013 #40

Courts have ruled for a hundred years or so that third-party records are not yours. randome Jun 2013 #74

Bullshit. What do you think retroactive immunity for the telecoms was all about. LEGAL COVER. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #150

I hope you enjoy giving this power to the president backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #70

What 'power' are you talking about? randome Jun 2013 #80

What law permits spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #131

Show me that the NSA is doing that. randome Jun 2013 #137

For the umpteenth time, it's not just metadata, and you know it. Th1onein Jun 2013 #97

How do you know it's more than metadata? randome Jun 2013 #100

Do you read ANYTHING on this topic, Randome, or do you just blather on? Th1onein Jun 2013 #103

Your hair on fire paranoia is showing DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #134

Paranoid? I think not. Th1onein Jun 2013 #144

when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread Monkie Jun 2013 #142

Re: Bullshit? Red Oak Jun 2013 #69

I could steal a pencil from the office and use that as evidence I stole something, Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #98

If you stole heroin from the office it would be proof your boss deals heroin. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #104

Also illegal Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #107

Then they should share a cell. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #108

This is hilarious! You've got to be kidding! Th1onein Jun 2013 #92

What is 'it'? randome Jun 2013 #96

Can you say obsfucate? Th1onein Jun 2013 #99

He's deeply invested in never "getting it". DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #167

HEY RANDOME! Here is the info you need to educate yourself! Th1onein Jun 2013 #115

Every bit of that is supposition and innuendo. randome Jun 2013 #120

Yeah, that Utah facility is probably just a big, BIG fitness center. Th1onein Jun 2013 #145

It's still in the process of being built is my point. randome Jun 2013 #146

Wow, not a good arguement at ALL. Th1onein Jun 2013 #148

It's a waste of time. PSPS Jun 2013 #24

You forgot Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, GoneFishin Jun 2013 #43

You believe that why? tblue Jun 2013 #55

You misunderstood the tone of my post. It is in the context of a list of tired and worn excuses. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #149

I think that about covers it. I've been accused of being at least two of those as I SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #66

There's a new one out now: Rand Paul supporters put this scandal out there. Th1onein Jun 2013 #105

There certainly is think Jun 2013 #9

Bringing up Bush Era abuses does not support Snowden's ridiculous claims. randome Jun 2013 #13

Snowden's ridiculous claims? think Jun 2013 #15

And yet no one can furnish evidence of this. It's all just manufactured crisis crap. randome Jun 2013 #17

So, their testimony means nothing? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #153

The Patriot Act revisions indirectly made legal what was illegal under Bush think Jun 2013 #20

You are seeing what you want to see. randome Jun 2013 #25

How do you use the FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act for a solely domestic operation? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #28

You don't. Where is the evidence that the NSA does that? randome Jun 2013 #30

Now you're just playing ridiculous games. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #37

Right. Asking for evidence is 'ridiculous'. randome Jun 2013 #41

No, you won't but that's OK because I don't have expectations of you. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #65

Show me evidence that the NSA is spying on all of America. randome Jun 2013 #67

Collecting metadata for intel purposes is spying Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #73

I don't consider it to be spying. I understand your point of view but I disagree with it. randome Jun 2013 #76

"I don't consider it to be spying." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #82

And some continue to ignore facts that are as plain as day think Jun 2013 #34

"...sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law..." isn't that melodramatic where I come from. randome Jun 2013 #39

What are the "ridiculous" claims of Snowden that you keep refering to? think Jun 2013 #47

It's how the system works. Agencies are called to account all the time. randome Jun 2013 #51

By "fine line," I assume you're talking about that toss of a coin + 1%, right? Th1onein Jun 2013 #101

If an analyst is looking at an email that suggests something illegal... randome Jun 2013 #106

I've seen the same documents you have, Randome. You're obsfucating again. Th1onein Jun 2013 #110

Why do you keep saying they are pulling everything? There is no evidence of that. randome Jun 2013 #112

BECAUSE THEY ARE PULLING EVERYTHING. Th1onein Jun 2013 #147

So according to you, under President Obama A Simple Game Jun 2013 #62

What 'fact'? You haven't provided any. randome Jun 2013 #64

he's shown no evidence of his wild claims. DJ13 Jun 2013 #119

You steal from your employer, you go to jail. It's that simple. randome Jun 2013 #121

Perhaps I don't understand, what if anything has changed from Bush to President Obama A Simple Game Jun 2013 #123

The FISA Amendments Act of 2008. randome Jun 2013 #127

You misunderstood my question, what changed from Bush to President Obama? A Simple Game Jun 2013 #130

I mistakenly believed Obama had a hand in that. But he did have a hand in this. randome Jun 2013 #135

Only to those in power. morningfog Jun 2013 #58

In case you haven't been paying attention for the past hundred years or so... randome Jun 2013 #60

Obama is in power, it is on his terms and definitions that he goes after "leakers" morningfog Jun 2013 #113

Do you actually know the difference? n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #72

I don't know the precise legal terms myself but I know they have very different legal meanings. randome Jun 2013 #79

OK... ReRe Jun 2013 #88

Drake also stole documents and I believe that was the only charge that stuck, wasn't it? randome Jun 2013 #89

Whatever. ReRe Jun 2013 #117

"Legal meanings" Bonobo Jun 2013 #154

Well, actually we're in a time when social networks railsback Jun 2013 #3

K & R Wonderful report, also the freedom to move about the country and our home streets might be a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #5

These were powers given to Bush Turbineguy Jun 2013 #4

I did not like the wiretapping without a warrant or even when the excuse we don't have time to Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8

You cannot deny - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #38

+100% mazzarro Jun 2013 #6

The courts will decide treestar Jun 2013 #7

Do you think this will be overturned by courts, those judges know the Constitution and will see the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #10

They courts upheld the FISA treestar Jun 2013 #18

I might win the lottery even though I hardly buy a ticket. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #109

What has that got to do with it? treestar Jun 2013 #122

These same courts abused the FOREIGN Intel Surveillance Act and the 4A Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #12

Look if you can't trust the US system of government at all treestar Jun 2013 #19

It will become the worst of the worst if you insist on sad arguments like that. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #22

What do you intend to do about it? treestar Jun 2013 #32

We should accept our fate like good little subjects. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #52

So we can't do anything? treestar Jun 2013 #61

But you don't want anything done. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #85

Don't put it on me treestar Jun 2013 #86

I don't want another system. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #93

The courts decide whether it is constitutional or not treestar Jun 2013 #124

Because that isn't the system we have. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #126

The interpretation of the Fourth Amendment treestar Jun 2013 #129

Ultimately the citizens of this ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #155

Didn't a few of your trotters live under a monarchy Progressive dog Jun 2013 #63

Don't forget Santayana - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #160

So...the system works? randome Jun 2013 #27

No, the system did not work Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #31

So the system is to send to jail people you believe have done wrong? treestar Jun 2013 #33

It's better than your system where the law and the Constitution are ignored to spy on everyone. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #44

the law and the Constitution are ignored? treestar Jun 2013 #48

Please cite the probable cause for the NSA program. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #53

Non responsive treestar Jun 2013 #59

No warrant can be issued without probable cause. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #68

There have been a zillion cases in the courts on that very question treestar Jun 2013 #71

FISA is for foreign agents Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #75

Cite what? treestar Jun 2013 #84

"Cite what?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #90

I cited cases that have to do with spying treestar Jun 2013 #125

Good evidence for my contention Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #128

There is no evidence of 'wholesale spying on Americans inside America'. None. randome Jun 2013 #35

Clapper lied. He had time to prepare an answer and he had time to privately amend his answer Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #42

'Prepare an answer'? What could he possibly have said? randome Jun 2013 #46

You're being ridiculous again. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #54

Maybe he was afraid that some would blow it out of proportion. If so, he called that right. randome Jun 2013 #56

Why settle for ridiculous when you can shoot for fanciful? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #57

when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread Monkie Jun 2013 #143

He lied. Let's call it what it was. He could have answered the question by saying SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #77

Yes, he lied about something he was sworn to keep secret. randome Jun 2013 #83

Let me guess. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #94

There have been at least three other whistle blowers that have verified what he said. Getting SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #114

The only 'secret document' that has shown anything is the warrant about phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #118

That's an extremely parsed view. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #132

Metadata is not your 'papers'. They belong to the telecom companies. randome Jun 2013 #136

They *needed* the warrant because the meta data does touch on the fourth amendment SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #138

We don't know that texts & emails are being collected. randome Jun 2013 #139

Sorry for the delay in responding. We were out to dinner last night with friends. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #165

Why do you keep saying strictly domestic communications? bornskeptic Jun 2013 #141

A-FUCKIN'-MEN! Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #36

K&R Also about the guy BEFORE Obama - and if that walking-around-free-thanks-to-Obama war criminal MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #45

So it's about the guy before Obama... Iggo Jun 2013 #49

Good OP. .... Same regurgitated excuses. Anybody buy this stuff anymore? GoneFishin Jun 2013 #50

Absolutely! ReRe Jun 2013 #78

+ 1,000,000 dawg Jun 2013 #81

+ 1,000,001 forestpath Jun 2013 #87

Make that 1,000,002 RC Jun 2013 #116

Very few people realized the momentum behind the events of today siligut Jun 2013 #91

"I could rec this if you hadn't added the second paragraph." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #102

Maybe it is his idealism that believes it can be tamed siligut Jun 2013 #111

We're deluding ourselves if we think we can stop this once and for all. pnwmom Jun 2013 #95

We need to make it the political kiss of death for a Democrat to support this. dawg Jun 2013 #151

It would be the political kiss of death if a President pnwmom Jun 2013 #152

Well, then why stop there? dawg Jun 2013 #156

Why NOT stop there? pnwmom Jun 2013 #157

Meta data on all Americans is a step too far. dawg Jun 2013 #158

There was a related Supreme Court decision decades ago, pnwmom Jun 2013 #159

There was one that said separate but equal was okay too. dawg Jun 2013 #161

I didn't say we should be doing it. pnwmom Jun 2013 #163

Wrong is wrong. dawg Jun 2013 #164

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #133

THANK YOU!!!! YOU ARE 100% CORRECT!!!! Yavin4 Jun 2013 #140

The obstructionists got away with fucking murder under Bush. We cannot allow that to happen again. Initech Jun 2013 #162

Reality. Great post. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #166