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Warren Stupidity

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51. What? The NSA is part of the executive branch. Congress allegedly has oversight,
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jun 2013

but in reality that means that 8 people are "briefed" and their briefings are top secret and they cannot discuss what they learn, all of which is limited to whatever the executive branch deems appropriate for them to know, with anyone else in congress, the press, or the people.

At the Clapper hearings an attempt was made by Wyden, one of the 8 to get Clapper to speak, on the record, about what Wyden knows is going on but cannot talk about, and Clapper flat out lied. There is nothing Wyden can do about that. Under the aegis of state security our state, in particular the executive branch, has become unresponsive and immune to any meaningful democrat constraints. Perpetual war and permanent secrets. A real bad mix.

Congress is in charge? Seriously?

+ Infinity - The American Democracy And Constitution Has Clearly Died cantbeserious Jun 2013 #1
the minute you use words like "stasi state" cali Jun 2013 #2
The fact is that this is what we have become. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #3
...& maybe watch "The Lives of Others" appal_jack Jun 2013 #8
Highly recommend that movie! tblue Jun 2013 #23
Came out the same time as "Pan's Labyrinth." Both excellent anti-fascist / totalitarian statements villager Jun 2013 #27
I love that one too! tblue Jun 2013 #39
Damn, I did not! Just looked him up on IMDB. I think the director wanted to work with him again, too villager Jun 2013 #40
Use of the term Stasi State 2.0 CanonRay Jun 2013 #13
you didn't tune out because of confirmation bias, same goes for me cali Jun 2013 #15
Actually, Stasi 3.0 (the 60s in America being Stasi 2.0). But I've got that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #21
You think those people need an excuse? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #19
Well, frankly I no longer care what ignorant people, people with no knowledge of what is very recent sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #56
I agree. Nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #4
Agreed, but please remember to pay all attention to the man behind the curtain. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #5
This is exactly what I want to know. If you notice the spy machine we have incl Clapper, etc. is rhett o rick Jun 2013 #9
This is not about Obama, but now that you bring it up..... Th1onein Jun 2013 #26
IMO, when Obama became president, he was told that there was a super-duper spy machine in place that rhett o rick Jun 2013 #29
Isn't it pretty to think so. Th1onein Jun 2013 #30
Why then would Pres Obama appoint the same people to run the economy and the intelligence agencies? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #32
Lol, that's a real good question. Th1onein Jun 2013 #44
No, both President Obama and Bush's former advisers have said that Obama made changes when he became okaawhatever Jun 2013 #36
I dont believe any of that is true. If you do, more power to you. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #37
What? The NSA is part of the executive branch. Congress allegedly has oversight, Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #51
Congressional law governs the general program. If Wyden wants Clapper to speak okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52
I thinks your's is a best case scenario explanation. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #47
Rougue elements that explain how x will happen if y does not remain in tact think Jun 2013 #54
Cheney said that he approves the NSA programs... grasswire Jun 2013 #33
Great question. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #46
J. Edgar Hoover had his own secret spy program called COINTELPRO. pacalo Jun 2013 #6
Only legal from the point of view some appointed republican judge(s) who......... nolabels Jun 2013 #48
I was thinking today, which country is going to be the one to tell the U.S., "Tear down this wall." pacalo Jun 2013 #49
The politics of ridicule never served the minority nolabels Jun 2013 #50
As a matter of fact, I was trying to imagine a great big steel fence around the pacalo Jun 2013 #55
It is laughter i feel ( because in thinking of the xenophobes it would be just too sad to cry for) nolabels Jun 2013 #57
The more the world hears about those nut-jobs, the less need for a fence to keep them out. pacalo Jun 2013 #59
K&R with thanks n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #7
well said kentuck Jun 2013 #10
Did you mean to say, "...democrat-IC republic?" Misusing that word is often a rightie smear LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #11
You caught me. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #14
No...I caught 'it', or actually, IC, as it were... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #16
I actually had in mind the idea to write something along these lines. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #12
It is about the future of democracy. Octafish Jun 2013 #17
This is nothing more than some who have a cause and nothing more to entertain themselves Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #18
I saw (a version of) this when you posted it in, I think, Kentuck's thread. I was HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #20
A 'scandal' is an event felix_numinous Jun 2013 #22
K&R nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #24
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #25
Well said. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #28
I honestly don't think Obama has much powe r over the intel empire. grasswire Jun 2013 #31
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #34
Well done! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #35
I think you have more or less nailed it... kentuck Jun 2013 #38
This is what the Patriot act has brought us AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #41
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #42
Thank you for an excellent OP. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #43
K&R! "It is a crisis of governance." Enthusiast Jun 2013 #45
Excellent Op Warren. Thank you Autumn Jun 2013 #53
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #58
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