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grasswire

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80. I support the finding of truth, wherever the facts may lead.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jun 2013

I oppose oppression and deceit. I support the rule of law and the Constitution. I oppose government lying. I support due process and rules of evidence.

And I hate bullies.

why it doesn't matter if you (or anyone else) is skeptical of Snowden: cali Jun 2013 #1
WRONG....its also about the fact that the Govt is hiring contractors who in turn give VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #2
This is true railsback Jun 2013 #4
Attacking Snowden has nothing to do with who hired burnodo Jun 2013 #6
If you actually read my OP, jazzimov Jun 2013 #11
No it's not....we are at risk BECAUSE we use mercenaries for this type of work. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #14
Not only that, the guy pinches a top secret document when he's in TRAINING BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #18
It is ineptitude but it doesn't sound like Snowden was an analyst, just a network admin. randome Jun 2013 #28
Yes, he was in training but he had his top secret clearance for some time. He worked for the CIA, so okaawhatever Jun 2013 #40
Good point. randome Jun 2013 #76
The Vietnam War only ended (or our military involvement in it) when Congress HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #59
This (outsourcing of intelligence) is definitely a valid concern, but not the only one. I think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55
We certainly cannot trust them if they let this level of knucklehead anywhere near it.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #62
Without defending Snowden's character or agreeing with your HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #67
Yes but you think you have reached the ultimate conclusion to this situation with the govt... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70
Now this is a post which I think you should convert into an OP to build on, because it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #78
Save your FUD for less intelligent sheep harun Jun 2013 #3
Thank You HangOnKids Jun 2013 #8
Would you care to elaborate? jazzimov Jun 2013 #12
In order for a discussion to take place, one has to have a point related to the issue. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #23
+1 harun Jun 2013 #30
^strawman by the bored chair occupant eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #42
I did NONE of the above - I only focused jazzimov Jun 2013 #57
+1! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #51
If you really want to know why he did it the way he did you should read/watch this: dkf Jun 2013 #5
Actually, I was almost persuaded by Binney's jazzimov Jun 2013 #16
They changed the laws to make it appear legal. dkf Jun 2013 #21
Excuse me? jazzimov Jun 2013 #34
Well thanks to Snowden and the subsequent declassification we may move forward on this: dkf Jun 2013 #37
Thanks for the link! jazzimov Jun 2013 #64
One more key thread... dkf Jun 2013 #68
+++1000 VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #65
Sacrilege!!!!! railsback Jun 2013 #7
hmmm. cali Jun 2013 #10
hmmm. railsback Jun 2013 #13
The "cult of personality" is a broad-brush jazzimov Jun 2013 #22
How dare he smear our hero!!!111 treestar Jun 2013 #56
Are you aware that he isn't the only whistle blower? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9
Have you seen HIM produce any evidence yet? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #15
He has produced top secret documents for the first time which is why this story is on fire usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #17
Link? jazzimov Jun 2013 #27
LINK usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #31
Thanks! Except that's nothing new. jazzimov Jun 2013 #36
Then why is it dated this year, and the current global discussion? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #46
To the Chinese he has yes! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #48
oh so, he does have top secret documents usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #52
Who the hell knows about this guy....he doesn't seem so trustworthy to me. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60
Uh, yeah... Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #20
Yes (LINKS) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33
Please allow me to address these one at a time; jazzimov Jun 2013 #24
Without all that squealing please usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #26
"Squealing"? What do you mean "squealing"? jazzimov Jun 2013 #38
see post #46 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #49
Personality Politics -> blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #19
That's right, attack the messenger instead of the message jazzimov Jun 2013 #25
Oh, I'm pretty sure those are all about the message... harun Jun 2013 #32
With a title like "Personality Politics"? jazzimov Jun 2013 #39
It's like you didn't read the post Kolesar Jun 2013 #44
This. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #54
+1000 baldguy Jun 2013 #29
So true. nt jazzimov Jun 2013 #43
+ 10,000 okaawhatever Jun 2013 #45
you trust DiFi? grasswire Jun 2013 #35
She used to be a fav here at DU. jazzimov Jun 2013 #41
I don't remember that at all. Demit Jun 2013 #77
Do you trust Rand Paul and Glenn Beckk? baldguy Jun 2013 #50
I trust my senator Ron Wyden. grasswire Jun 2013 #53
That doesn't answer the question. baldguy Jun 2013 #63
who is making this about personalities? grasswire Jun 2013 #66
You support Snowden. He's no progressive Democrat. baldguy Jun 2013 #71
I support the finding of truth, wherever the facts may lead. grasswire Jun 2013 #80
You say you support the truth, but everything Snowden has said that can be verified has been false. baldguy Jun 2013 #82
your opinions are simply your opinions grasswire Jun 2013 #83
DiFi's always been an authoritarian quisling. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #58
You're entitled to your skepticism and you would be less than a full-fledged HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #47
Wow, people are amazingly stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #61
why yes. true and true cali Jun 2013 #73
FALSE ON ITS FACE!! The "direct access" bullshit has not been proven accurate neither was his uponit7771 Jun 2013 #74
Again this isn't about Snowden, this is about the data Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #79
Why would you say it's accurate? randome Jun 2013 #75
He pulled the wings off flies. Really. That's why I don't trust him. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #69
+1, "...seems more focused on embarrassing the NSA ..." uponit7771 Jun 2013 #72
I also have some questions on Snowden Gothmog Jun 2013 #81
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