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reusrename

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50. Double-think.

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:26 AM

Jun 2013

The content is merely stored in the yottabyte facility until later when it can be retained and collected under authority of a specific warrant which is retroactively applied for by the analyst after having listened in to the conversation on his own authority.

Why do so many people have a problem with this?

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Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all] leveymg Jun 2013 OP

full candor grasswire Jun 2013 #1

We at least deserve not to be further confused by contradictory official statements. leveymg Jun 2013 #2

I'm beginning to wonder if Obama understands this program at all leftstreet Jun 2013 #3

Or, perhaps, he understands it so well that he can state facts like a lawyer - selectively, leveymg Jun 2013 #5

I dount they let any president know everything about it magellan Jun 2013 #6

military industrial complex questionseverything Jun 2013 #37

I agree with you. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

K&R for TRUTH! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #4

I think Obama was parsing words as instructed and will claim that this wasn't "listening" to calls cascadiance Jun 2013 #7

+1 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #20

Right.. Human Agency is required for "listening" nice fig leaf... bobduca Jun 2013 #30

They should just come out and admit it, but like pot Rex Jun 2013 #71

What's the importance of whether the NSA keeps voice and email content, or just metadata? leveymg Jun 2013 #8

Double-think. reusrename Jun 2013 #50

Here's the rub: Sec. 702(e) requires the NSA to minimize US person data - they aren't. It's illegal leveymg Jun 2013 #58

I was making a reference to the prophet Orwell. reusrename Jun 2013 #69

Absolutely! When you parse Obama's statement, you get two mutually exclusive leveymg Jun 2013 #70

I believe he is articulating the government's position rather accurately. reusrename Jun 2013 #73

Any confirmation of these programs? tia uponit7771 Jun 2013 #9

Yes - LinkedIn, the job networking site, contains many resumes that reference these programs leveymg Jun 2013 #12

unbelievable, and these are the people "protecting" us, "we" fear them? Monkie Jun 2013 #46

why get into the details, let the press do the heavy lifting... n/t CrazyJudy Jun 2013 #10

Cute. Yuk yuk yuk... ReRe Jun 2013 #36

You're conflating ProSense Jun 2013 #11

No, I'm not conflating. But, Obama's statement is confusing as it seems to say that voice content leveymg Jun 2013 #13

Yes, he said that, but that's in the context of a specific program. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #14

No. The data is being collected as part of 2015 but retained for 702. That's illegal. leveymg Jun 2013 #15

You are misreading the information and taking the President's statements out of context. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #16

Explain that, please. I've provided the context because the context makes it clear he's leveymg Jun 2013 #17

There is nothing ProSense Jun 2013 #18

What do you think happens to all that content that eventually goes into 702? leveymg Jun 2013 #25

You are misinterpreting what is being reported. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #32

did i not tell you that this would end in tears for you soon a few days ago? Monkie Jun 2013 #49

2 parts? questionseverything Jun 2013 #39

I don't think what you said is exactly accurate. reusrename Jun 2013 #53

There are also "exigent circumstances" that give them another week to obtain a warrant. leveymg Jun 2013 #57

I think the whole mechanism is automated. reusrename Jun 2013 #72

Bill Binney says it's based in profiling and terrorism potential scoring software. leveymg Jun 2013 #74

Apples and oranges, I believe. reusrename Jun 2013 #76

I have to agree with about 99% of that. However, they have much more than metadata on which to leveymg Jun 2013 #77

You're absolutely right that we need some creativity. reusrename Jun 2013 #80

do we have any idea what constitutes questionseverything Jun 2013 #75

There are general guidelines, but those are subject to interpretation. leveymg Jun 2013 #78

willfully misunderstanding the president isnt the same as fighting tyranny sigmasix Jun 2013 #24

702 and 2015 are just two parts of the same program. leveymg Jun 2013 #26

this is the person that was measuring that bush droned more people to protect their hero Monkie Jun 2013 #47

What makes you believe Obama has the correct answers? reusrename Jun 2013 #55

Too bad he didn't volunteer THAT detail up front. Pholus Jun 2013 #52

kick Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #19

Somebody's LYING blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #21

There's no content? So all those acres at Bluffdale are to store flat files? Catherina Jun 2013 #22

What Lord Acton said... Octafish Jun 2013 #23

Acton also said something about the consequences of failure to learn from history. leveymg Jun 2013 #29

What better than to have someone unexpected lead its return? Octafish Jun 2013 #65

But, but, but........it's JUST METADATA! Yeah, right. Th1onein Jun 2013 #27

This is what is driving all the racism bullshit. The Link Jun 2013 #28

POTUS has fooled himself into thinking the only program to be exposed is PRISM. dkf Jun 2013 #31

exactly, to think that a "nerd" like snowden, and a lawyer like greenwald are stupid Monkie Jun 2013 #48

We knew it was in there somewhere Hydra Jun 2013 #33

Surprise! Fearless Jun 2013 #34

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #35

Oops anther cat...out of the bag nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #38

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #40

This one is definitely military intelligence related. DevonRex Jun 2013 #41

Ths OP is nonsense, but people are determined to make up stuff to call Obama a liar. ProSense Jun 2013 #54

You had your chance to argue that last night, and failed. Unless you bring any new facts or leveymg Jun 2013 #59

ACLU: Calls and Emails can't be "targeted" under FISA, but certainly collected temmer Jun 2013 #42

How many of us are more than "two hops" from Bin Laden? 51%? leveymg Jun 2013 #67

ugh. : | allin99 Jun 2013 #90

This makes no sense to me: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #43

Yep - reverse phone number search temmer Jun 2013 #44

So assuming he is telling the truth, this 'collection' of theirs would be useless and the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #45

I wish that Rose had asked: 1) Do you do reverse lookups? 2) Do you minimize the data? Because leveymg Jun 2013 #51

still tiltiing at windmills? sigmasix Jun 2013 #56

Who the fuck are you? Oilwellian Jun 2013 #60

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand. ohiosmith Jun 2013 #62

Amen JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #63

Right on! ohiosmith Jun 2013 #64

Good jury Progressive dog Jun 2013 #92

Not windmills: leveymg has stood up to the giant Beast. Octafish Jun 2013 #66

I guess this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #68

Wow, that was one of the best posts LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #81

According to the White House they typically madville Jun 2013 #61

leveymg is a great poster at DU. Thank you. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #79

I think there are 2 separate databases Jarla Jun 2013 #82

The question is, how separate are they? leveymg Jun 2013 #84

But if NUCLEON is only recording and storing phone calls that take place in other countries Jarla Jun 2013 #87

NSA analysts, and the MAINWAY/MARINA systems have access to virtually all gov't databanks leveymg Jun 2013 #89

I'm guessing they are as separate as ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #95

"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone DeSwiss Jun 2013 #83

Kick for later. hootinholler Jun 2013 #85

yes we scan limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #86

The "Presidents credibility" was in doubt from the get go with his appointments xtraxritical Jun 2013 #91

You can vote Green next time Progressive dog Jun 2013 #93

His endorsements of these things, what do you think your smart? I don't. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #94

You don't like to be agreed with? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #96