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HardTimes99

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55. This (outsourcing of intelligence) is definitely a valid concern, but not the only one. I think

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:20 PM

Jun 2013

the larger issue is whether we can trust our government to respect our privacy and the NSA leaks are the current manifestation of that trust issue.

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Why I am skeptical about Edward Snowden. [View all] jazzimov Jun 2013 OP

why it doesn't matter if you (or anyone else) is skeptical of Snowden: cali Jun 2013 #1

WRONG....its also about the fact that the Govt is hiring contractors who in turn give VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #2

This is true railsback Jun 2013 #4

Attacking Snowden has nothing to do with who hired burnodo Jun 2013 #6

If you actually read my OP, jazzimov Jun 2013 #11

No it's not....we are at risk BECAUSE we use mercenaries for this type of work. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #14

Not only that, the guy pinches a top secret document when he's in TRAINING BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #18

It is ineptitude but it doesn't sound like Snowden was an analyst, just a network admin. randome Jun 2013 #28

Yes, he was in training but he had his top secret clearance for some time. He worked for the CIA, so okaawhatever Jun 2013 #40

Good point. randome Jun 2013 #76

The Vietnam War only ended (or our military involvement in it) when Congress HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #59

This (outsourcing of intelligence) is definitely a valid concern, but not the only one. I think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55

We certainly cannot trust them if they let this level of knucklehead anywhere near it.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #62

Without defending Snowden's character or agreeing with your HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #67

Yes but you think you have reached the ultimate conclusion to this situation with the govt... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70

Now this is a post which I think you should convert into an OP to build on, because it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #78

Save your FUD for less intelligent sheep harun Jun 2013 #3

Thank You HangOnKids Jun 2013 #8

Would you care to elaborate? jazzimov Jun 2013 #12

In order for a discussion to take place, one has to have a point related to the issue. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #23

+1 harun Jun 2013 #30

^strawman by the bored chair occupant eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #42

I did NONE of the above - I only focused jazzimov Jun 2013 #57

+1! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #51

If you really want to know why he did it the way he did you should read/watch this: dkf Jun 2013 #5

Actually, I was almost persuaded by Binney's jazzimov Jun 2013 #16

They changed the laws to make it appear legal. dkf Jun 2013 #21

Excuse me? jazzimov Jun 2013 #34

Well thanks to Snowden and the subsequent declassification we may move forward on this: dkf Jun 2013 #37

Thanks for the link! jazzimov Jun 2013 #64

One more key thread... dkf Jun 2013 #68

+++1000 VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #65

Sacrilege!!!!! railsback Jun 2013 #7

hmmm. cali Jun 2013 #10

hmmm. railsback Jun 2013 #13

The "cult of personality" is a broad-brush jazzimov Jun 2013 #22

How dare he smear our hero!!!111 treestar Jun 2013 #56

Are you aware that he isn't the only whistle blower? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9

Have you seen HIM produce any evidence yet? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #15

He has produced top secret documents for the first time which is why this story is on fire usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #17

Link? jazzimov Jun 2013 #27

LINK usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #31

Thanks! Except that's nothing new. jazzimov Jun 2013 #36

Then why is it dated this year, and the current global discussion? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #46

To the Chinese he has yes! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #48

oh so, he does have top secret documents usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #52

Who the hell knows about this guy....he doesn't seem so trustworthy to me. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60

Uh, yeah... Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #20

Yes (LINKS) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33

Please allow me to address these one at a time; jazzimov Jun 2013 #24

Without all that squealing please usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #26

"Squealing"? What do you mean "squealing"? jazzimov Jun 2013 #38

see post #46 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #49

Personality Politics -> blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #19

That's right, attack the messenger instead of the message jazzimov Jun 2013 #25

Oh, I'm pretty sure those are all about the message... harun Jun 2013 #32

With a title like "Personality Politics"? jazzimov Jun 2013 #39

It's like you didn't read the post Kolesar Jun 2013 #44

This. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #54

+1000 baldguy Jun 2013 #29

So true. nt jazzimov Jun 2013 #43

+ 10,000 okaawhatever Jun 2013 #45

you trust DiFi? grasswire Jun 2013 #35

She used to be a fav here at DU. jazzimov Jun 2013 #41

I don't remember that at all. Demit Jun 2013 #77

Do you trust Rand Paul and Glenn Beckk? baldguy Jun 2013 #50

I trust my senator Ron Wyden. grasswire Jun 2013 #53

That doesn't answer the question. baldguy Jun 2013 #63

who is making this about personalities? grasswire Jun 2013 #66

You support Snowden. He's no progressive Democrat. baldguy Jun 2013 #71

I support the finding of truth, wherever the facts may lead. grasswire Jun 2013 #80

You say you support the truth, but everything Snowden has said that can be verified has been false. baldguy Jun 2013 #82

your opinions are simply your opinions grasswire Jun 2013 #83

DiFi's always been an authoritarian quisling. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #58

You're entitled to your skepticism and you would be less than a full-fledged HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #47

Wow, people are amazingly stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #61

why yes. true and true cali Jun 2013 #73

FALSE ON ITS FACE!! The "direct access" bullshit has not been proven accurate neither was his uponit7771 Jun 2013 #74

Again this isn't about Snowden, this is about the data Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #79

Why would you say it's accurate? randome Jun 2013 #75

He pulled the wings off flies. Really. That's why I don't trust him. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #69

+1, "...seems more focused on embarrassing the NSA ..." uponit7771 Jun 2013 #72

I also have some questions on Snowden Gothmog Jun 2013 #81