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tammywammy

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76. I make the travel reservations for the people I work with
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:03 PM
Jun 2013

They regularly fly in and out of ELP and not once has anyone said anything negative about it. I also know quite a few people with family in El Paso and they regularly visit them as well. I have never heard any of these people comment negatively about El Paso, say they feel afraid there, or in general that it's a dangerous place. El Paso isn't a dangerous place that you seem to think it is.

k and r for this horrific story. I used to go to ciudad juarez years ago, when it was relatively niyad Jun 2013 #1
I live two miles from Juarez. rl6214 Jun 2013 #2
The Madonna/Whore complex SoCalDem Jun 2013 #19
So true. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #91
ALL Mexican men consider themselves to be Don Juans datasuspect Jun 2013 #121
You take every comment literally? rl6214 Jun 2013 #127
your question doesn't make any sense datasuspect Jun 2013 #187
The documentary links the killings to demand for drugs in the US BainsBane Jun 2013 #3
book links it to NAFTA and the factories that sprung up at the border Monkie Jun 2013 #6
Maquilas predate NAFTA BainsBane Jun 2013 #7
didnt realise it was as bad then Monkie Jun 2013 #8
the murders kicked up around 1993 BainsBane Jun 2013 #10
maybe NAFTA was too much of a shortcut Monkie Jun 2013 #11
Indeed, and hatred of women BainsBane Jun 2013 #12
I would guess that NAFTA contributed to a flood of new female workers to Juarez... antigone382 Jun 2013 #26
Yours is the most reasonable guess. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #29
That could well be the case BainsBane Jun 2013 #31
It's not just Mexico senseandsensibility Jun 2013 #4
Of course BainsBane Jun 2013 #5
Do you have any evidence that the killers are Americans crossing the border for kicks? GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #16
WTF do you think? They act with impunity. BainsBane Jun 2013 #17
So you still don't have any evidence. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #18
They haven't been caught BainsBane Jun 2013 #20
You are the one accusing Americans of doing the killing. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #23
What difference does it make to you? BainsBane Jun 2013 #36
from the Harvard, DRCLAS piece BainsBane Jun 2013 #21
From the Harvard DRCLAS piece: GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #28
I do, which is why I work for gun control BainsBane Jun 2013 #38
Why are you making this a fight? Why does this conversation make you jump to being offended? Squinch Jun 2013 #41
"although we discount wild theories like snuff films. . . " zazen Jun 2013 #107
I wish I could say I disagreed. BainsBane Jun 2013 #130
The TV series Weeds touched on this siligut Jun 2013 #9
Sadly, these women in Juarez referenced above don't make it long enough BainsBane Jun 2013 #14
then again, gejohnston Jun 2013 #125
I completely disproved that NRA propaganda BainsBane Jun 2013 #128
actually you disproved nothing gejohnston Jun 2013 #132
You didn't even take time to look at the numbers BainsBane Jun 2013 #134
project much? gejohnston Jun 2013 #136
Here is the post about Statfor BainsBane Jun 2013 #139
I know the difference between secondary and primary source documents gejohnston Jun 2013 #140
If you want to compare the effectiveness of gun bans BainsBane Jun 2013 #147
UK is irrelevant because gejohnston Jun 2013 #153
You consider them irrelevant BainsBane Jun 2013 #157
the UK murder rate was still lower before any gun control gejohnston Jun 2013 #173
You bet wrong BainsBane Jun 2013 #183
Stratfor does nothing but provide a pro gun assessment of the GAO report BainsBane Jun 2013 #151
China or Russia as a source of AK-47s makes a lot of sense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #163
and transportation all the way from across the world BainsBane Jun 2013 #168
Transportation is cheap. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #178
if the price is right, it would make sense edit to add gejohnston Jun 2013 #174
Oh, no media accounts are reliable BainsBane Jun 2013 #184
over generalization gejohnston Jun 2013 #188
Oh right BainsBane Jun 2013 #220
slate said the same thing gejohnston Jun 2013 #232
said what? BainsBane Jun 2013 #233
no gejohnston Jun 2013 #235
This is a very strange exchange BainsBane Jun 2013 #237
By the way, these dead women are all under 35 BainsBane Jun 2013 #13
Note the gunners think El Paso is paradise. BainsBane Jun 2013 #15
No - we just know El Paso has an extremely low murder rate hack89 Jun 2013 #30
I wonder how many NRA members vacation there? BainsBane Jun 2013 #40
Anyone looking for a safe place would certainly enjoy vacationing there hack89 Jun 2013 #56
Try reading the OP BainsBane Jun 2013 #57
I know - American CCW holders killing women and smuggling the bodies into Mexico hack89 Jun 2013 #58
Where does the OP mention CC or guns at all? BainsBane Jun 2013 #59
True - you just think it is Americans in general hack89 Jun 2013 #61
Look at the date BainsBane Jun 2013 #63
My bad. hack89 Jun 2013 #67
Wrong about what? BainsBane Jun 2013 #69
That liberal gun laws result in increased gun violence hack89 Jun 2013 #70
That's dishonest bullshit BainsBane Jun 2013 #72
We are talking about America, not Mexico hack89 Jun 2013 #73
Gunner number 1 BainsBane Jun 2013 #74
I make the travel reservations for the people I work with tammywammy Jun 2013 #76
"highly likely that rapists and murderers go across the border" hack89 Jun 2013 #77
Why wouldn't they? BainsBane Jun 2013 #79
Chicago's murder rate is down 40% this year BainsBane Jun 2013 #75
Everyone's murder rate is at historic lows hack89 Jun 2013 #78
40% in one year? Really? No BainsBane Jun 2013 #80
Their murder rate went up 16% in 2012 hack89 Jun 2013 #106
It is down 40% this year BainsBane Jun 2013 #129
It was down 40% from Jan to April. Cumulatively to date it's down 34%. n/t tammywammy Jun 2013 #131
Thank you for that clarification BainsBane Jun 2013 #149
Summer is the killing season in Chicago hack89 Jun 2013 #133
I didn't say gun laws were responsible for the drop BainsBane Jun 2013 #150
Considering the vast majority of murders are intra-racial hack89 Jun 2013 #166
No, it doesn't BainsBane Jun 2013 #169
Show me any group using CCW laws to travel to cities and "hand out weapons" hack89 Jun 2013 #179
A theory should have some evidence to back it up. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #180
Well, I could always try your tactic BainsBane Jun 2013 #238
I thought I read somewhere... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #55
the gunners love to point out how safe El Paso is BainsBane Jun 2013 #60
Never been there, just quoting statistics. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #62
Evidence for your allegations? You don't have any. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #82
speaking of evidence BainsBane Jun 2013 #84
You are the one making the accusations. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #90
I didn't make an accusation BainsBane Jun 2013 #92
So you admit you have ZERO evidence that Americans are doing it. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #110
Not really. "Accusation" and "theory" are two wholly separate concepts. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #116
She began, in other posts, with a flat-out accusation. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #120
Yes, just as there is zero evidence that Mexicans are the killers BainsBane Jun 2013 #141
That article doesn't specify the sex of the victims BainsBane Jun 2013 #94
Murder rate in Mexico BainsBane Jun 2013 #95
I am comparing two adjancent, similar cities. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #111
Your comparison is an NRA scam BainsBane Jun 2013 #112
The numbers didn't come from the NRA. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #113
That story gets more distorted with each telling BainsBane Jun 2013 #143
What percentage of guns did the Mexican goverment submit to the US government for tracing? hack89 Jun 2013 #145
24% according to the pro-gun site BainsBane Jun 2013 #154
So .24 X .87 = 20% of guns seized in Mexico come from America hack89 Jun 2013 #167
Of those that are traceable BainsBane Jun 2013 #171
No, serial numbers were not filed off the rest hack89 Jun 2013 #177
Wrong BainsBane Jun 2013 #193
I have no problem giving the ATF the tools they need to combat gun trafficking hack89 Jun 2013 #196
Obviously there is far more involved than just guns BainsBane Jun 2013 #200
I would completely support the legalization of drugs. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #204
Yes, isn't that nice BainsBane Jun 2013 #205
I haven't distorted the Mexican info. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #206
But what that doesn't say BainsBane Jun 2013 #208
Foreign guns legally imported to the U.S. can be traced. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #211
No, I don't BainsBane Jun 2013 #227
Round-about smuggling routes are expensive. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #241
Not only did I read page 16 BainsBane Jun 2013 #209
And only 24% were submitted. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #217
Yes, that was the sample BainsBane Jun 2013 #228
Nope, not a sample. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #242
The sample was NOT random. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #181
Mexico doesn't submit all guns for tracing. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #176
Did you read the part of the report BainsBane Jun 2013 #186
It takes much more than speaking Chinese to trace a Chinese gun. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #198
What possible reason would the Mexican government have BainsBane Jun 2013 #240
The Mexican gov't doesn't camouflage the gun sources. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #244
Hundreds of women killed, thousands of men killed. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #22
yes, to these folks men are expendable meatshields. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #24
But the OP completely ignores the thousands of men killed. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #25
no, i get it and you are correct. its an attempt to define a protected class. i fight it often. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #27
what you mean is your effort to deny these murders BainsBane Jun 2013 #33
i think you might need or want a break from DU because your ability to read my mind galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #39
"targeting"? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #47
WTF BainsBane Jun 2013 #49
Do you not see a difference between when members of drug cartels Squinch Jun 2013 #54
Actually a number of sources BainsBane Jun 2013 #64
Ok. I'll edit. Thanks. Squinch Jun 2013 #66
I counted ALL the murdered. ALL 3,111 of them. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #83
1) I was talking to another poster BainsBane Jun 2013 #85
Here's clear evidence of sexism BainsBane Jun 2013 #87
Oh, DO you? DO you "fight it often"? As often as men murder women? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #43
men are murdered 3-1 over women nationally. go bark up a different tree nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #44
By men. Try THAT tree. And not, as the OP notes, SEXUALLY tortured. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #46
so men killing men doesn't count. most sexist quote ive seen on DU. please stop making galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #48
Learn to read BainsBane Jun 2013 #98
pick one galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #101
Do you have to ask? BainsBane Jun 2013 #102
Fixed it for ya! galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #103
Just make an effort to stick with the reality based community BainsBane Jun 2013 #104
and 87% of homicides are committed by men BainsBane Jun 2013 #51
Yeah, that has to do with the minor fact the serial killers are targeting women BainsBane Jun 2013 #32
This OP is a she BainsBane Jun 2013 #34
Reading comprehension, much? The OP DOES mention men, but notes that their murders ARE NOT WinkyDink Jun 2013 #42
Thanks for that. BainsBane Jun 2013 #53
If you would like to make an OP about the deaths of men in Juarez, which are primarily from the Squinch Jun 2013 #65
The fight started in another thread. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #81
Yes, regardless of your views about guns BainsBane Jun 2013 #97
So maybe you should be fighting on a page about Mexican gun laws, and not be Squinch Jun 2013 #124
there is nothing stopping you from posting an article on the number of men killed, you know. niyad Jun 2013 #114
Yeah, well that rest of that is courtesy of your friends in the gun lobby BainsBane Jun 2013 #35
Most of the cartel's guns are smuggled in for countries that make real AK-47s. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #86
proof? BainsBane Jun 2013 #96
That from you!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #99
He asks it constantly, and in the most bizarre instances BainsBane Jun 2013 #100
Thanks for the laugh!! nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #118
I know more about evidence and primary sources BainsBane Jun 2013 #135
If you say so and it makes you feel superior. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #146
You contribute so much to this discussion BainsBane Jun 2013 #156
No heavier than yours!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #207
up to 66 recs BainsBane Jun 2013 #210
Cool -- if that's what makes you feel good about yourself CokeMachine Jun 2013 #214
I thought we were in your favorite thread BainsBane Jun 2013 #216
If you want to address that thread then post in it -- please. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #218
Bait? BainsBane Jun 2013 #229
Ok -- if you say so!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #236
I gave it to you. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #109
The ATF shows 87% came from the US, murder apologist corp. says 90% didn't come from US BainsBane Jun 2013 #138
actually, we knew all of that gejohnston Jun 2013 #144
The logical fallacy is yours BainsBane Jun 2013 #152
sample frame error gejohnston Jun 2013 #155
Now you've contradicted yourself. BainsBane Jun 2013 #158
when did I contradict myself? gejohnston Jun 2013 #172
I mentioned a case in Texas BainsBane Jun 2013 #182
Some newspaper accounts are better than others gejohnston Jun 2013 #192
now that I'm fully awake, gejohnston Jun 2013 #202
GAO report BainsBane Jun 2013 #185
key words being gejohnston Jun 2013 #190
That is 87% of 24% of the total. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #197
Look at ALL the numbers, not just the ones you want to see. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #175
The people of Juarez have lots of guns BainsBane Jun 2013 #37
Start your own thread, then. BTW: Serial sex murders are not the same category as other killings. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #45
You realize we are talking about a single killer here, right? BainsBane Jun 2013 #71
When I count ALL the deaths, I am not discounting anybody. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #88
Look at what you did here BainsBane Jun 2013 #89
I don't think that illustrating concern for A denies in any way any additional concern for B. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #117
See my post #81. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #122
So it's OK for you to hijack a discussion about a serial killer to push a fight from another thread? Squinch Jun 2013 #126
In the other thread she referred to this thread to make her point. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #165
No, I referred to this thread so you would learn something BainsBane Jun 2013 #225
I compared total HUMAN deaths to total HUMAN deaths. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #243
What the hell difference does that make? Squinch Jun 2013 #239
Great (and chilling) book on the subject arely staircase Jun 2013 #50
Thanks! BainsBane Jun 2013 #52
k&r Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #68
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #93
I live in El Paso BellaKos Jun 2013 #105
Thanks for sharing that BainsBane Jun 2013 #108
?El Paso's low violent crime rate, high natual lithium duhneece Jun 2013 #137
Shouldn't Juarez have similar lithium levels? N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #201
. . . niyad Jun 2013 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jun 2013 #119
Most likely several serial killers, Quantess Jun 2013 #123
the OP downbythelake Jun 2013 #142
I didn't say a thing about guns or gun nuts in the OP BainsBane Jun 2013 #148
I just want to say... Pelican Jun 2013 #159
That's what you think my signature says? BainsBane Jun 2013 #160
But gun policy is a perfect example of what Paz meant BainsBane Jun 2013 #161
you dont think the OP title wrote itself did you? galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #162
A fear based response to serial killing? BainsBane Jun 2013 #164
i wasnt talking to you. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #199
remdi95 BainsBane Jun 2013 #213
interesting.... opiate69 Jun 2013 #223
Totally deserved BainsBane Jun 2013 #224
Careful, now. Your transparency page is recently clean. opiate69 Jun 2013 #230
Did you take that as an insult? BainsBane Jun 2013 #231
My interpretation of it may have been wrong. If so, I apologize. opiate69 Jun 2013 #234
Jury results: Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #215
its nice to see rational thought rewarded 6-0. DU never lets me down! nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #221
prostitution and family violence both unchecked in the Mad Max lands Sunlei Jun 2013 #170
Women and employment Bosso 63 Jun 2013 #189
Yes, the documentary linked makes that very point BainsBane Jun 2013 #194
It's the culture.... loose wheel Jun 2013 #191
The Harvard report specifically addresses that view BainsBane Jun 2013 #195
Yes. Mexican culture does treat women that way. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #203
OMG BainsBane Jun 2013 #212
Interesting ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #219
witness how powerful the evil Islam is BainsBane Jun 2013 #222
Nope ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #226
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