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CTyankee

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151. First of all, many people regarded the Heller decision to be shocking and extreme. But
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:48 AM
Jun 2013

extremists have taken it even further. If the 2nd A was "already understood" so generally, as you assert, why the polls showing 90% support for UBC? What was already understood, IMO, was that of a right for states to organize militias, a collective right. It took an extreme right wing faction of the Republican Party on the SC to interpret it an individual right. There's that pesky qualifying clause in front of the amendment.

Even so, I don't think more people ran out and bought guns. From what I've read, a dwindling number of people are simply buying more guns, ramped up by hysteria that Obama was for "gun confiscation."

As to your observation about the TX law, I see this kind of protest all the time from DU gun enthusiasts: "I would support such and such regulation but..." Shudda, coulda, woulda. Yet I don't see much action on their part to fight for it. I have been waiting to see if a new group of sane gun owners is formed at state levels to advocate for sane gun safety laws. Talk is cheap. Let me see some real action from sane gun owners and I'll believe you mean it. But right now, it sounds like you "doth protest too much," when you may well have genuine concerns. But it comes across, quite frankly, as feeble and/or insincere. I am not trying to insult you personally, just a word to the wise about how it is sounding. As the saying goes, "If you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

This is the best part BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
I don't understand exactly why your selection is the BEST part. HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #5
The unstable person is the gun vigilante BainsBane Jun 2013 #23
Is there any correlation between the unstable gun vigilante that you are imagining Bazinga Jun 2013 #37
Of course not. It's the sort of bigoted stereotype that would get a poster banned... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #59
Broken record much? rdharma Jun 2013 #87
pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #88
I'm not whining about you...... rdharma Jun 2013 #95
Well golly, I should certainly hope so! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #99
"Not much point in trolling a forum if you don't find it amusing" You would certainly know! rdharma Jun 2013 #100
Read geckosfeet posts below BainsBane Jun 2013 #105
It doesn't say anything about me. Bazinga Jun 2013 #131
No, actually I distinguish between gun owner and gun nut BainsBane Jun 2013 #139
A crucial distinction which pro-gun militants constantly, deliberately ignore. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #153
It also pisses me off BainsBane Jun 2013 #140
Do you have any evidence that the shooters had CCWs? GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #148
And what evidence do you have to support your slanderous remarks? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #154
DIAGNOSED mental illness duhneece Jun 2013 #32
It's true that only a fraction of mental illness is diagnosed, usually estimated bbetween 25-35 % HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #142
Excellent thread. But I had to do a google search on "John McClane"....... rdharma Jun 2013 #86
You've never seen Die Hard and all the sequels? premium Jun 2013 #89
I saw the first "Die Hard" years ago. rdharma Jun 2013 #93
The sequels really sucked big time. premium Jun 2013 #94
2 was by far the worst... Pelican Jun 2013 #101
You ain't him BainsBane Jun 2013 #107
I'll meet you halfway... Pelican Jun 2013 #133
NRA certified gun training film. Hoyt Jun 2013 #137
Give it a rest Hoyt. nt. premium Jun 2013 #152
Me neither BainsBane Jun 2013 #106
K & R napkinz Jun 2013 #2
The classic "I won't pick up that dirty gun, but I'll pay someone else to do it for me" routine. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #3
I'll own that if there's a "bad guy with a gun", Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #4
Fine. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #8
Why? Will you shoot them? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #11
What do you care? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #14
... and with that answer I think we have check mate. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #20
Wow. That was an incredible response to your question. CTyankee Jun 2013 #31
Oh. Ok. I am so, so,,, geckosfeet Jun 2013 #118
Shows how much you know about Chess. Most would call it Stalemate, mate. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #125
And what "preconceived notions and fears" spur you to strap on a gun or two before venturing out. Hoyt Jun 2013 #13
I do own it. I am protecting myself. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #17
Not many "contributions" in recent years. Maybe 200 years ago. Hoyt Jun 2013 #18
Native Americans might disagree with 200 years ago, too (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2013 #35
That's true our founding fathers who owned slaves also took land from Native Americans by Hoyt Jun 2013 #46
Well, we will just have to agree to disagree that point. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #119
Yeah, wouldn't want to face facts of your little hobby. Hoyt Jun 2013 #123
I know my facts just fine. While I appreciate other opinions, geckosfeet Jun 2013 #126
See, you don't need a gun to stand your ground, no matter what gun promoters Hoyt Jun 2013 #127
get a grip dude BainsBane Jun 2013 #108
I have probably had mor background checks in the last 10 years than you ever will. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #120
Yes, I posted the OP BainsBane Jun 2013 #128
those trained professionals Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #9
Yes. But they are required to qualify according to their agency standards. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #12
But the harsh truth is, the police don't have a gun in order to protect *you* Recursion Jun 2013 #77
They protect property BainsBane Jun 2013 #163
Some yahoo toter who shoots targets that resemble humans is not a better bet than the police. Hoyt Jun 2013 #16
Especially someone who spends their life fantasizing BainsBane Jun 2013 #24
You don't know me or my training. You speak from ignorance on the topic. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #121
If you were well trained, you would not even think of toting in public. Hoyt Jun 2013 #122
That's possibly the single funniest thing I've ever read on DU. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #132
Caption: Girls laughing at yahoos strutting into gun show. Hoyt Jun 2013 #134
Fair enough...because that's pretty damn funny, too. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #136
A lot of people overestimate how much training police actually have Recursion Jun 2013 #76
Which balances out the constant underestimations the gun militancy movement puts out. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #80
Social bargain with the devil. reusrename Jun 2013 #7
Kooky? You pay someone else to your dirty work. I call that a bargain with the devil. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #10
Way to dodge the question. reusrename Jun 2013 #30
Not it the U.S., premium Jun 2013 #40
There is a federal law that prohibits it in the US. reusrename Jun 2013 #41
What dirty work? nt. premium Jun 2013 #44
Exactly. reusrename Jun 2013 #45
If you mean carrying a firearm for personal protection, premium Jun 2013 #56
I don't have a clue of how that person thinks. reusrename Jun 2013 #68
Ahhh, now I understand your post. premium Jun 2013 #71
Why is personal safety considered "dirty work?" reusrename Jun 2013 #73
I'm not following that either, premium Jun 2013 #74
That's your fellow gunner BainsBane Jun 2013 #166
No one wants you playing cop BainsBane Jun 2013 #22
We repealed the alcohol prohibition amendment duhneece Jun 2013 #34
My son, who is a prosecutor, is in a trial now prosecuting a vigilante. I won't say where CTyankee Jun 2013 #36
"new phase" is hardening resistance to prohibition & the culture war it engenders. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #75
Gun show attendance and purchases do not equal evolution. To the contrary. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #82
I don't know the answer to your question. My son is no doubt very current on the law CTyankee Jun 2013 #91
The "assertion" you made was not by me, review as I might. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #97
I don't understand what CN stands for. And where do you get the 80 million+ figure for CTyankee Jun 2013 #109
Connecticut. My error. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #110
well, you can't discount the amount of publicity the NRA has focused on this issue since the CTyankee Jun 2013 #111
The NRA's blather is a known quantity and has been so for years... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #115
First of all, many people regarded the Heller decision to be shocking and extreme. But CTyankee Jun 2013 #151
Read some history about 2A and you'll understand that Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #156
I realize this is the prevailing interpretation at this time, but it wasn't the case always. CTyankee Jun 2013 #159
Well, we are going over the same territory here. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #165
What evidence do you have that most homicides are committed by repeat felons? BainsBane Jun 2013 #169
I don't consider "suicides" to be "homicides," hence the distinction. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #171
DOJ considers them homicides BainsBane Jun 2013 #174
NRA propaganda not convincing anyone? BainsBane Jun 2013 #170
Perhaps you should review the requirements to amend the constitution. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #144
I understand the process. It is difficult. CTyankee Jun 2013 #145
Maybe in CT it is being talked about, not in TX. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #147
Mostly I see it online and not just on DU. But certainly, we have very liberal, progressive CTyankee Jun 2013 #149
Quite an imagination you have rl6214 Jun 2013 #138
Your fantasy has not happened in reality. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #143
If you're talking about what you do in BainsBane Jun 2013 #26
The classic "I don't need government to protect me routine" Progressive dog Jun 2013 #29
Some of us don't live within a few minutes of a fully staffed and responsive police department... Pelican Jun 2013 #50
Or, for that matter, live in places where the cops are trustworthy. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #57
Oaky, you need defense cause there is no police department within a few minutes Progressive dog Jun 2013 #63
You do know that police are not legally bound to protect individual citizens premium Jun 2013 #65
Correct... Pelican Jun 2013 #67
You didn't have to answer Progressive dog Jun 2013 #90
That makes no logical sense... Pelican Jun 2013 #98
In fact, LEOs are not charged with protecting you, and Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #66
So you gamble that a gun will protect you Progressive dog Jun 2013 #161
Lots of presumption & "creationist theory" on your part... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #164
Studies say guns cause gun deaths Progressive dog Jun 2013 #168
The cops rarely protect anyone. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #146
I've known a lot of people who want to be the good guy TlalocW Jun 2013 #55
Then they're irresponsible assholes. premium Jun 2013 #58
"No one "wants" to shoot someone." Are you sure about that? rdharma Jun 2013 #92
I think we agree on that one. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #102
gobstopper guy doesn't understand the difference between LEO and CC ileus Jun 2013 #6
If you want to play the correct nomenclature game -- common among gun cultists -- it's GOPstopper. Hoyt Jun 2013 #21
+1000 liberal N proud Jun 2013 #15
Plus one billion. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #19
Totally off-topic, but I remember when closeupready Jun 2013 #25
Well said by GOPStoppers. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #27
Marmel, you moron, good guys with guns includes police as well as civilians aikoaiko Jun 2013 #28
Who said we won't/can't defend ourselves. Don't need a gun to do that, although Hoyt Jun 2013 #49
Just a can of beans premium Jun 2013 #60
The author seems to be projecting his own insecurities... Pelican Jun 2013 #33
I know I would run away, Bazinga Jun 2013 #39
One of several... Pelican Jun 2013 #42
Can't fight with a weapon you don't have... hunter Jun 2013 #47
Perhaps it is there that we differ. Bazinga Jun 2013 #129
Guess what, this is not a war zone. And, guns are not only way to defend yourself or Hoyt Jun 2013 #51
Just use a can of beans or a bike tire, premium Jun 2013 #61
Better than carrying a gun while riding a bike, premium. Hoyt Jun 2013 #70
I gotta hand it to you Hoyt, premium Jun 2013 #72
Make a "tough guy" laugh -- another gunless self-defense technique. Hoyt Jun 2013 #78
Is that a movie? premium Jun 2013 #79
I cracked up watching Blazing Saddles too, although some of the language was a little much. Hoyt Jun 2013 #81
You mean this? premium Jun 2013 #83
That's it. One of the funniest comedy scenes I've seen. Of course, I'm much older now. Hoyt Jun 2013 #84
Aren't we both. premium Jun 2013 #85
But isn't having 5 AR-15's a sure fire way to get your man card issued? Dash87 Jun 2013 #64
Yep. That's what gun marketeers like Bushmaster think of their "prey." Hoyt Jun 2013 #69
So true n/t malaise Jun 2013 #38
And 99.9% of the time they WILL use a gun, it is to protect themselves from a family member or cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #43
There are about 200-250 cases of justified homicide by civilians per year with guns MillennialDem Jun 2013 #52
7x more likely BainsBane Jun 2013 #104
More about that stat. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #150
I'd be curious if you have any actual study to back up your assertion Just Saying Jun 2013 #155
Your own study supports me. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #157
No one was disputing that domestic violence increased acts of gun violence in the home. Just Saying Jun 2013 #158
Trying to leave is a highly dangerous time. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #160
Absolutely. It's absurd to think someone would be some sort of hero rrneck Jun 2013 #48
Now that is a hero, not someone who pollutes society with their guns in Hoyt Jun 2013 #53
Look up occaionally, that one went right over your head. Whooooosh. LOL. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #54
LOL. premium Jun 2013 #62
The title of this thread says it ALL! rdharma Jun 2013 #96
Wow, I guess so BainsBane Jun 2013 #103
I don't know if I'm seen them seem SO shook up! CTyankee Jun 2013 #112
I'm happy to make my BainsBane Jun 2013 #113
Good for you. I appreciate your courage to step forward and make your stand. CTyankee Jun 2013 #114
Yet another screed by someone jealous of those who prevented crime by using a gun? derby378 Jun 2013 #116
LOL BainsBane Jun 2013 #117
Hey Steve? Go fuck yourself. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #124
What a bullshit piece. I could care less what Marmel thinks. badtoworse Jun 2013 #130
Apparently a number of people care quite a bit BainsBane Jun 2013 #135
Don't mistake ridicule for agitation. badtoworse Jun 2013 #141
Moths to a flame BainsBane Jun 2013 #167
Bullshit. Wolverines!!!!1! n/t Orsino Jun 2013 #162
When there was a shooting in my office building a couple of a months ago, I can honestly say that... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #172
same with the shooting outside my house BainsBane Jun 2013 #173
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