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druidity33

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70. And Firearms sales records last what, 48 hours? nt.

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Snowden saw what I saw: surveillance criminally subverting the constitution Thomas Drake [View all] xchrom Jun 2013 OP

This is ProSense Jun 2013 #1

Fisa court is a joke bobduca Jun 2013 #3

You say the FISA Court is a joke, presumably because they haven't disallowed any warrants. randome Jun 2013 #5

You would have to be very naive to beleive that, given that . bobduca Jun 2013 #7

In 2011, there were only about 1700 requests for warrants made to the FISA courts. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26

I heard on the news that 11 had been denied. Don't know if appeals or lower. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #40

I think this table has the year by year data. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #44

Thank you for that. Why doesn't the press report things like this? They want the hysteria to okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52

YUP ... and have you noticed they stopped saying "wiretap" and shifted to "spying" JoePhilly Jun 2013 #55

Exactly, I want details. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #58

You don't need very many warrants when they read LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #45

So why are the numbers so low every year since 1978? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #56

Er... How can it be very careful if they get a warrant to collect info on EVERYONE ? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #13

There is no 'monitoring' without a valid warrant. randome Jun 2013 #19

Recording private communications IS monitoring. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #25

'Right' and 'wrong' are not settled by someone stealing info then running to Hong Kong. randome Jun 2013 #41

People can decide for themselves if mass surveillance is wrong. That's why it's vital that the Ame limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #64

And Firearms sales records last what, 48 hours? nt. druidity33 Jun 2013 #70

But it's not just this Administration... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #22

I'm with you. A simple look at the approvals vs disapprovals tells us all we need SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #27

So the average is about 1000 requests a year. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #46

We're not talking about a "police state", we're discussing the rubber stamping SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #51

Why do you think investigators go and requests warrants without sufficient JoePhilly Jun 2013 #59

Investigators have their warrants rejected by judges on a regular basis. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #60

The justification for the FISA court was originally made in 1978. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62

Actually, you seem to be the only one claiming that in this thread. But with that said SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #65

I'm not saying it's a police state. You seem to be the only one making that contention. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #67

Aren't you surprised that in 2011 there were only about 1700 requests? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #30

Who are the 1700? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #32

First, the FISA court has existed since 1978. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #36

1700 per YEAR... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #68

It's a fairly low number, yes... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #38

So since we're discussing the numbers and trends and such. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #63

Which Administration? mattclearing Jun 2013 #24

I would say the Obama Administration is more careful and more trustworthy than the Bush Admin. randome Jun 2013 #39

We know that for a fact given that Bush bypassed the FISA court and Obama has not. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #47

A few points if you want to make that comparison ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #42

I know all of this. mattclearing Jun 2013 #69

Wait, ProSense Jun 2013 #6

I'm not claiming Obama started the national surveillance state.. bobduca Jun 2013 #8

Prosense ... curious what you think of this ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #49

Castigating doesn't change anything. Skidmore Jun 2013 #11

Yeah might as well just accept that we can't change it bobduca Jun 2013 #14

Aw jeez. Skidmore Jun 2013 #17

The courts nineteen50 Jun 2013 #12

Why? EC Jun 2013 #35

FISC is a joke. The judges are appointed by SCOTUS (Roberts) - chances they're Dem appointees? Melinda Jun 2013 #73

"Bush was actually illegally eavesdropping on Americans." OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #15

Did you read the warrant? It was attached to Greenwald's first article. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Melinda Jun 2013 #31

Right on. timdog44 Jun 2013 #37

few if any people are claiming that Obama is breaking the law NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #71

Gee. No wonder Cass Sunstein's followers want to shut down discussion. Octafish Jun 2013 #2

Kick for opponents of abitrary, authoritarian secret government. Octafish Jun 2013 #10

carl bernstein - the cia and the media (400 reporters were also operatives) Monkie Jun 2013 #20

We're on the same wavelength: Three Things Every American Should Know about Corporate McPravda... Octafish Jun 2013 #34

in the kingdom of the blind it is easy to recognise those with a eye. Monkie Jun 2013 #54

Thanks for sharing this. think4yourself Jun 2013 #16

Marking this to come back.... Thomas Drake ReRe Jun 2013 #21

Amazing! He says this so well. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #50

K&R for more visibility! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #4

K&R bobduca Jun 2013 #9

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #18

K&R me b zola Jun 2013 #23

I hope all those calling Snowden a traitor read this and see what happens think Jun 2013 #29

Superb essay. Well worth reading in its entirety. Laelth Jun 2013 #33

Kick LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #48

knr frylock Jun 2013 #43

Struggling here: DRAKE wins me over, SNOWDEN (and GREENWALD) strike me false UTUSN Jun 2013 #53

Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, wants to protect government whistleblowers... Octafish Jun 2013 #57

Oct, I am humbled and honored in your brotherhood. We are on the same broad, open road even UTUSN Jun 2013 #61

Don't be distracted by the drama usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #66

what's eating Glenn Greenwald is that, for one, he is an American citizen NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #72