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4. I can buy that.

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Clapper & Feinstein finally admit that ALL phone records going back 7 years are being collected [View all] TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 OP

"The reason the authorities didn't stop Boston is because anti-terror is not the priority." BINGO. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #1

The reason they didn't stop Boston is evidence they do NOT spy on Americans. randome Jun 2013 #3

I can buy that. secondwind Jun 2013 #4

So you think it stops short of SCOTUS TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #7

And you know this how? Because it SOUNDS right to you? randome Jun 2013 #10

The reason is caseymoz Jun 2013 #8

They don't need a reason, FISA judges rubber-stamp the warrants. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #77

And that evidence is proof zeemike Jun 2013 #9

You have no evidence that they are collecting data on you or anyone else. randome Jun 2013 #11

They admit they are collecting the data zeemike Jun 2013 #12

They admit to storing the data, I believe. randome Jun 2013 #16

That last paragraph is the most disengenous bit of balderdash I have read lately. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #21

So if I take all the information out of your computer zeemike Jun 2013 #31

Copying data from one computer to another is easily discovered so it's not the same... randome Jun 2013 #33

A warrant from a secret court zeemike Jun 2013 #43

I'm not 'falling' for it. It is not an admirable system, I admit. randome Jun 2013 #46

Clapper, who is a Booz Allen man says they have gathered it all up. So keep barfing up Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #17

See post #16. randome Jun 2013 #20

What does 'can't' mean? Is it like the Easter Bunny 'can't' be a day early or what? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #22

The law says they can't. randome Jun 2013 #25

How bout the FISA court already ruling the NSA violated the law? think Jun 2013 #29

The FISA court IS the law, in this instance. randome Jun 2013 #30

You aren't concerned that the NSA violated the law? Seriously? think Jun 2013 #32

Over-reach or mis-steps will occur in ANY government agency. randome Jun 2013 #34

Overreach = SPYING on AMERICANS think Jun 2013 #41

Let me get this straight. Marr Jun 2013 #81

The law also said that they couldn't indiscriminately take our information. But they did it, didn't Th1onein Jun 2013 #78

The same could be said of you, premium Jun 2013 #52

It's 'democratic' in the sense that all 3 branches of the government are involved. randome Jun 2013 #59

Let me re-phrase that, premium Jun 2013 #65

Your statement presumes wrongly caseymoz Jun 2013 #89

But you see .. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #13

Really? I thought they both were. randome Jun 2013 #14

Nope, premium Jun 2013 #60

Thanks for the info. randome Jun 2013 #63

Sure, one phone has to be outside the US. That's the whole point. bornskeptic Jun 2013 #71

No it is not, at best it shows they are miserable at their jobs, at worst that they are Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #15

I have no reasonable evidence to say they are spying. randome Jun 2013 #18

But you do understand that this is not about your ability to sleep at night? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #23

You're right. Wanting to 'fix' an agency doesn't require total trust or mis-trust. randome Jun 2013 #38

The reason is the same as 9/11: the Tsarnaevs were part of a CIA program. They aren't investigated leveymg Jun 2013 #27

Yes, the NSA does spy on Americans, nearly all of us from what we can tell so far. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #28

Exactly. They can go back now and check phone numbers used by the bombers pnwmom Jun 2013 #36

Tamerlane was not a US citizen... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #72

ROFLMAO! Th1onein Jun 2013 #76

Brahahahahahahahahahahah... :::catches breath::: RC Jun 2013 #87

Money is the priority. These multi-Billion dollar 'security' Contractors NEED work to do in order to sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49

And meanwhile, they pre-emptively target peaceful protesters--because THEY are the threat to TPTB. snot Jun 2013 #74

The Federal Oligarch Protection Agency Will Insure Main Street Is Prosecuted Despite The Constitution cantbeserious Jun 2013 #2

k&r (nt) enough Jun 2013 #5

God, I thought I was ugly... ReRe Jun 2013 #6

That was Lawrence Olivier with the drill. leveymg Jun 2013 #37

Ya think? Ha! ReRe Jun 2013 #44

John "Mano Blanco" Negroponte, then Mike "NSA Booz Allen" McConnell. leveymg Jun 2013 #58

Thanks... got lost a minute... n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #73

I am not so sure this is paranoid SouthernLiberal Jun 2013 #19

You Are Correct! sikofit3 Jun 2013 #70

So Boston was LIHOP? Ugh, this entire website has become the 911 Dungeon geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

No - it was just collatoral damage that's considered acceptable to some in gov't. leveymg Jun 2013 #35

This operates from the myth that every terrorist attack is preventable. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #39

Terrorist attacks have happened over and over again since '93. They are largely preventable. leveymg Jun 2013 #53

They are largely but not entirely preventable. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #55

Agreed. That's why the charges should have been 3000 counts manslaughter, reckless disregard, leveymg Jun 2013 #61

Huh? Whose charges should have been manslaughter instead of murder? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62

From program managers right up to the top of the chain of command. leveymg Jun 2013 #64

To his credit, Obama shut down the program that used Awlaki to repeatedly attract AQ terrorists leveymg Jun 2013 #68

So our government knows who the terrorists are and does nothing Progressive dog Jun 2013 #85

You need to start reading up on this subject. Here are some places to start. leveymg Jun 2013 #90

Read some stuff, still curious as to Progressive dog Jun 2013 #113

I'm not saying US casualties are the goal, just that they are foreseeable. Second, if the same high leveymg Jun 2013 #114

Any human endeavor will have errors, Progressive dog Jun 2013 #115

If the same error gets repeated over and over with an expectation of change, it is an insane policy. leveymg Jun 2013 #118

It doesn't, there is no straight path in any investigation Progressive dog Jun 2013 #119

The policy of running Counterterror programs around double-agents didn't change leveymg Jun 2013 #120

Of course not, some of the policy stayed the same Progressive dog Jun 2013 #121

I have no problem with infiltrating hostile groups, but I have a big problem with allowing these leveymg Jun 2013 #122

Why do you say it fails Progressive dog Jun 2013 #123

Finally admit? Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #26

Yeah. Clapper was caught in a lie. morningfog Jun 2013 #40

How so? Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #45

He told Congress in March that the National Security Agency does not intentionally morningfog Jun 2013 #47

You don't know what he means by "collect" Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #51

LOL! BUllshit. It is a lie, and I don't doubt there is more. morningfog Jun 2013 #56

Clapper himself said this Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #91

You are citing the liar trying to defend his lie after he was caught? Hahahaha. morningfog Jun 2013 #94

Liar is your opinion Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #95

Even he conceded he was untruthful. He clearly lied. I look forward to more lies morningfog Jun 2013 #96

I believe he will clarify himself better Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #98

He's already made two contradictory statements. Clarity is no longer availible. morningfog Jun 2013 #100

That's right. Stifle any chance of Clapper clarifying himself Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #101

I don't care much for liars. He's already busted, bub. morningfog Jun 2013 #102

Like I said. That's your opinion Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #103

He only changed the meaning of collection after getting caught in the lie. morningfog Jun 2013 #109

Yep Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #110

If it is a "smear job" it is being led by clapper himself. morningfog Jun 2013 #112

Oh, brother. Marr Jun 2013 #83

Clapper himself said this Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #92

Wow-- you're telling me the liar had an explanation for why his lie wasn't a lie? Marr Jun 2013 #97

Liar is your opinion Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #99

He very obviously lied. Marr Jun 2013 #108

Wow. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #86

Clapper himself said this Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #93

No they haven't. Your links don't prove that. Clapper has acknowledged pnwmom Jun 2013 #42

Clapper acknowledges it now, after being caught in a lie. morningfog Jun 2013 #48

No he doesn't, and it wasn't a lie. pnwmom Jun 2013 #50

I am sure you gave the bush lies the same parsing and deference. morningfog Jun 2013 #57

Absolutely a violation of the fundamental trust marions ghost Jun 2013 #54

+1000. premium Jun 2013 #67

There is no defense for the un-American Patriot Act marions ghost Jun 2013 #69

If they CAN do it, they WILL do it. Not rocket science, that. closeupready Jun 2013 #66

Knowledge is power, & a balance of power requires a balance of knowledge; & snot Jun 2013 #75

"They say that they won't look at the records without a good reason." CrispyQ Jun 2013 #79

What is the next fall-back position? Coyotl Jun 2013 #80

Yes, but I am constantly being reminded that this story is from 2006... Earth_First Jun 2013 #82

pen register peasant one Jun 2013 #84

Huge K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #88

I think the OP has it right and wrong at the same time Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #104

They will use their blackmail powers "judiciously" TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #107

They're recording "the contents of every phone call made"? arcane1 Jun 2013 #105

They can get the contents of ALL phone calls AFTER the event TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #106

Yes. By going to a judge, showing probable cause, and getting a warrant pnwmom Jun 2013 #111

You are assuming an awful lot of trust for something that has absolutely zero oversight TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #116

I trust Obama more than Snowden or Greenwald. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #117

Too much huffing and puffing Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #124